Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
11/9/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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From: Bruno Marchal
Receiver: everything-list
Time: 2012-11-08, 10:25:01
Subject: Re: Leibniz: Reality as Dust
On 08 Nov 2012, at 14:51, Richard Ruquist wrote:
> Stephan,
> If the compact manifolds of string theory are all different and
> distinct (as I claim in my paper from observations of a variable
fine
> structure constant across the universe), then the manifolds should
> form a Stone space if each manifold instantly maps all the others
into
> itself, my (BEC physics) conjecture, but also a Buddhist belief-
> Indra's Pearls.
>
> If so, youall may be working on implications of string theory- like
> consciousness.
>
> However, in my paper I claim that a 'leap of faith' is necessary
to go
> from incompleteness to consciousness (C). Would you agree? Bruno
says
> C emerges naturally from comp.
More precisely, I say that consciousness and matter emerges from
elementary arithmetic, *once* you bet on comp, that is the idea that
the brain or the body can be Turing emulated at some right level so
that you would remain conscious.
Bruno
>
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> From: Stephen P. King
> Date: Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:54 AM
> Subject: Re: Leibniz: Reality as Dust
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
>
>
> On 11/8/2012 6:19 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
>
> Hi Stephen P. King
>
> Time and space don't exist as substances so
> they don't influence the monads, which as you say
> are eternal. Further, there is no "substance space".
> So the monads are not organized in any way.
> The monads can be thought of as a collection
> of an infinite number of mathematical points.
>
>> From dust we come and to dust we shall return.
>
>
> Hi Roger,
>
> The absolute disconnection of the monads is what makes them a
> 'dust'. This is exactly what is a Stone space - the dual to a
Boolean
> algebra. ;-) The idea is that any one monad has as its image of
other
> monads the vision of a mathematical point. This fits the idea of
that
> the classical universe is "atoms in a void" as taught by Democritus.
> http://www.scottaaronson.com/democritus/lec1.html
>
> What Craig and I are proposing is to add time to this idea. The
> evolution of the dust from one configuration to another is the arrow
> of time. Switching to the dual, we see teh evolution of Boolean
> algebras, whose arrow is the entailment of one state by all previous
> states. These two arrows face in opposite directions
>
> ... A => A' Stone space
> | |
> ....A*<=A*' Boolean algebra
>
> The duals aspects of each monad evolve in opposite directions.
>
>
> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
> 11/8/2012
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>
>
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> From: Stephen P. King
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> Time: 2012-11-07, 19:01:19
> Subject: Re: Communicability
>
>
> On 11/7/2012 11:48 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
>
> Hi Stephen P. King
>
> That sounds like Leibniz. Each monad contains the
> views of all of the other monads in order to see
> the whole, not from just one perspective.
>
> Hi Roger,
>
> Yes, and that is why I like the idea of a Monad. I just don't
> agree
> with Leibniz' theory of how they are organized. Leibniz demanded
that
> their organization is imposed ab initio, he assumed that there is a
> special beginning of time. I see the monads as eternal, never
created
> nor destroyed, and their mutual relationships are merely the
> co-occurence of their perspectives. This makes God's creativity to
> be an
> eternal action and not a special one time action.
>
>
> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
> 11/7/2012
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>
>
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> From: Stephen P. King
> Receiver: everything-list
> Time: 2012-11-06, 18:17:30
> Subject: Re: Communicability
>
>
> On 11/6/2012 11:11 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
>
> What happens if I mistake a statue of a beautiful woman
> for the real thing, thus turning, eg, a statue of pygmalion into an
> actual woman ?
>
> Or mistake fool's gold or gold foiled chocolates
> for actual gold coins ?
>
> Does the world actually become cloudy if I have cataracts ?
>
> It is not just about you. It is about the huge number of observers.
> What
> matters is that they can communicate with each other and mutually
> confirm what is "real". Why do you imagine that only humans can be
> observers?
>
>
>
> --
> Onward!
>
> Stephen
>
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