Re: Creativity

2012-10-13 Thread John Mikes
Why shouldn't they? JM

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Richard Ruquist  wrote:

> John,
>
> Your model may explain why some drugs improve creativity.
> Richard
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:52 PM, John Mikes  wrote:
> > On 09/10/2012, at 8:39 AM, Russell Standish wrote:
> >
> >
> > The problem that exercises me (when I get a chance to exercise it) is
> > that of creativity. David Deutsch correctly identifies that this is one
> of
> > the main impediments to AGI. Yet biological evolution is a creative
> > process, one for which epistemology apparently has no role at all.
> >
> > Continuous, open-ended creativity in evolution is considered the main
> > problem in Artificial Life (and perhaps other fields). Solving it may
> > be the work of a single moment of inspiration (I wish), but more
> > likely it will involve incremental advances in topics such as
> > information, complexity, emergence and other such partly philosophical
> > topics before we even understand what it means for something to be
> > open-ended creative. Popperian epistemology, to the extent it has a
> > role, will come much further down the track.
> >
> > Cheers...
> > 
> > JM: Not that I want to produce such 'single moment of inspiration':
> > I gave some thought to the concept of creativity over the past 20 years.
> > At this moment I stand (and my stance is likely to undergo further
> changes)
> > with including Robert Rosen's "anticipation" concept as applied to my own
> > world-view (belief!) of agnosticism: there is an infinite complexity we
> > cannot know, not even approach and from it we get info-morsels from time
> to
> > time into OUR world. We are not up to consider those 'morsels' by their
> real
> > and full nature, only adjusted to our mental capabilities and the so far
> > circumscribed 'world' we live in(?).
> > This constitutes our 'image' of our "world" - indeed the model of it we
> can
> > muster in our actual mental inventory (including the application of
> > conventional sciences.).
> >
> > Our curiosity in topics MAY (or may not?) trigger topical info and it is
> up
> > to us whether we do, or don't pay attention and - maybe - consider them
> as
> > worthwhile pursuing - which is the way I figure "anticipation".
> > If we relate to such anticipation with a positive feedback, we may fail,
> or
> > succeed, the latter callable the 'creative approach".
> > It goes beyond our 'model', beyond what we could feed into our computers,
> > beyond the inventory (status quo ante?) of what we already knew (I say:
> > yesterday).
> > No consequences drawn.
> > John M
> >
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Re: Creativity

2012-10-09 Thread Richard Ruquist
John,

Your model may explain why some drugs improve creativity.
Richard

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:52 PM, John Mikes  wrote:
> On 09/10/2012, at 8:39 AM, Russell Standish wrote:
>
>
> The problem that exercises me (when I get a chance to exercise it) is
> that of creativity. David Deutsch correctly identifies that this is one of
> the main impediments to AGI. Yet biological evolution is a creative
> process, one for which epistemology apparently has no role at all.
>
> Continuous, open-ended creativity in evolution is considered the main
> problem in Artificial Life (and perhaps other fields). Solving it may
> be the work of a single moment of inspiration (I wish), but more
> likely it will involve incremental advances in topics such as
> information, complexity, emergence and other such partly philosophical
> topics before we even understand what it means for something to be
> open-ended creative. Popperian epistemology, to the extent it has a
> role, will come much further down the track.
>
> Cheers...
> 
> JM: Not that I want to produce such 'single moment of inspiration':
> I gave some thought to the concept of creativity over the past 20 years.
> At this moment I stand (and my stance is likely to undergo further changes)
> with including Robert Rosen's "anticipation" concept as applied to my own
> world-view (belief!) of agnosticism: there is an infinite complexity we
> cannot know, not even approach and from it we get info-morsels from time to
> time into OUR world. We are not up to consider those 'morsels' by their real
> and full nature, only adjusted to our mental capabilities and the so far
> circumscribed 'world' we live in(?).
> This constitutes our 'image' of our "world" - indeed the model of it we can
> muster in our actual mental inventory (including the application of
> conventional sciences.).
>
> Our curiosity in topics MAY (or may not?) trigger topical info and it is up
> to us whether we do, or don't pay attention and - maybe - consider them as
> worthwhile pursuing - which is the way I figure "anticipation".
> If we relate to such anticipation with a positive feedback, we may fail, or
> succeed, the latter callable the 'creative approach".
> It goes beyond our 'model', beyond what we could feed into our computers,
> beyond the inventory (status quo ante?) of what we already knew (I say:
> yesterday).
> No consequences drawn.
> John M
>
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