Re: Creativity

2012-10-13 Thread John Mikes
Why shouldn't they? JM

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:

 John,

 Your model may explain why some drugs improve creativity.
 Richard

 On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:52 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 09/10/2012, at 8:39 AM, Russell Standish wrote:
 
 
  The problem that exercises me (when I get a chance to exercise it) is
  that of creativity. David Deutsch correctly identifies that this is one
 of
  the main impediments to AGI. Yet biological evolution is a creative
  process, one for which epistemology apparently has no role at all.
 
  Continuous, open-ended creativity in evolution is considered the main
  problem in Artificial Life (and perhaps other fields). Solving it may
  be the work of a single moment of inspiration (I wish), but more
  likely it will involve incremental advances in topics such as
  information, complexity, emergence and other such partly philosophical
  topics before we even understand what it means for something to be
  open-ended creative. Popperian epistemology, to the extent it has a
  role, will come much further down the track.
 
  Cheers...
  
  JM: Not that I want to produce such 'single moment of inspiration':
  I gave some thought to the concept of creativity over the past 20 years.
  At this moment I stand (and my stance is likely to undergo further
 changes)
  with including Robert Rosen's anticipation concept as applied to my own
  world-view (belief!) of agnosticism: there is an infinite complexity we
  cannot know, not even approach and from it we get info-morsels from time
 to
  time into OUR world. We are not up to consider those 'morsels' by their
 real
  and full nature, only adjusted to our mental capabilities and the so far
  circumscribed 'world' we live in(?).
  This constitutes our 'image' of our world - indeed the model of it we
 can
  muster in our actual mental inventory (including the application of
  conventional sciences.).
 
  Our curiosity in topics MAY (or may not?) trigger topical info and it is
 up
  to us whether we do, or don't pay attention and - maybe - consider them
 as
  worthwhile pursuing - which is the way I figure anticipation.
  If we relate to such anticipation with a positive feedback, we may fail,
 or
  succeed, the latter callable the 'creative approach.
  It goes beyond our 'model', beyond what we could feed into our computers,
  beyond the inventory (status quo ante?) of what we already knew (I say:
  yesterday).
  No consequences drawn.
  John M
 
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Re: Creativity

2012-10-09 Thread Richard Ruquist
John,

Your model may explain why some drugs improve creativity.
Richard

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:52 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 09/10/2012, at 8:39 AM, Russell Standish wrote:


 The problem that exercises me (when I get a chance to exercise it) is
 that of creativity. David Deutsch correctly identifies that this is one of
 the main impediments to AGI. Yet biological evolution is a creative
 process, one for which epistemology apparently has no role at all.

 Continuous, open-ended creativity in evolution is considered the main
 problem in Artificial Life (and perhaps other fields). Solving it may
 be the work of a single moment of inspiration (I wish), but more
 likely it will involve incremental advances in topics such as
 information, complexity, emergence and other such partly philosophical
 topics before we even understand what it means for something to be
 open-ended creative. Popperian epistemology, to the extent it has a
 role, will come much further down the track.

 Cheers...
 
 JM: Not that I want to produce such 'single moment of inspiration':
 I gave some thought to the concept of creativity over the past 20 years.
 At this moment I stand (and my stance is likely to undergo further changes)
 with including Robert Rosen's anticipation concept as applied to my own
 world-view (belief!) of agnosticism: there is an infinite complexity we
 cannot know, not even approach and from it we get info-morsels from time to
 time into OUR world. We are not up to consider those 'morsels' by their real
 and full nature, only adjusted to our mental capabilities and the so far
 circumscribed 'world' we live in(?).
 This constitutes our 'image' of our world - indeed the model of it we can
 muster in our actual mental inventory (including the application of
 conventional sciences.).

 Our curiosity in topics MAY (or may not?) trigger topical info and it is up
 to us whether we do, or don't pay attention and - maybe - consider them as
 worthwhile pursuing - which is the way I figure anticipation.
 If we relate to such anticipation with a positive feedback, we may fail, or
 succeed, the latter callable the 'creative approach.
 It goes beyond our 'model', beyond what we could feed into our computers,
 beyond the inventory (status quo ante?) of what we already knew (I say:
 yesterday).
 No consequences drawn.
 John M

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