On 27 Dec 2012, at 20:13, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/27/2012 3:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Dec 2012, at 20:58, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/26/2012 1:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Dec 2012, at 19:30, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/24/2012 2:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
We don't have to bet the
On 27 Dec 2012, at 20:14, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/27/2012 3:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
This is intuitive and amenable to thought experience, like the
experience of the blind Mary which studies many books on color and
qualia and still has any clue what it is like to be a seeing person.
I
On 26 Dec 2012, at 20:58, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/26/2012 1:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Dec 2012, at 19:30, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/24/2012 2:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
We don't have to bet the brain is (Turing universal), we can
prove it.
Can we? How would you prove than every
On 26 Dec 2012, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/26/2012 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
John,
On 24 Dec 2012, at 21:16, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno and Brent:
we T H I N K we have an idea what 'qualia' may be and ACCEPT our
figment on 'quanta' (i.e numbered 'objects' - figments as well).
On 12/27/2012 3:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
This is intuitive and amenable to thought experience, like the experience of the blind
Mary which studies many books on color and qualia and still has any clue what it is like
to be a seeing person.
I think Dennett is right when he says our
On 24 Dec 2012, at 19:30, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/24/2012 2:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
We don't have to bet the brain is (Turing universal), we can prove
it.
Can we? How would you prove than every person's brain can compute
every computable function?
By teaching them to reduce
John,
On 24 Dec 2012, at 21:16, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno and Brent:
we T H I N K we have an idea what 'qualia' may be and ACCEPT our
figment on 'quanta' (i.e numbered 'objects' - figments as well).
None of the two(?) are closer to the essence (read: 'truth') we just
got better used
On 12/26/2012 1:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Dec 2012, at 19:30, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/24/2012 2:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
We don't have to bet the brain is (Turing universal), we can prove it.
Can we? How would you prove than every person's brain can compute every computable
On 12/26/2012 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
John,
On 24 Dec 2012, at 21:16, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno and Brent:
we T H I N K we have an idea what 'qualia' may be and ACCEPT our figment on 'quanta'
(i.e numbered 'objects' - figments as well).
None of the two(?) are closer to the essence
On 24 Dec 2012, at 00:31, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/23/2012 8:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Oct 2012, at 21:22, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/26/2012 6:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Oct 2012, at 18:57, meekerdb wrote:
Good points. The contrast is usually qualia-v-quanta. I think
color
: Bruno Marchal
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Subject: Re: Dennett and others on qualia
On 24 Dec 2012, at 00:31, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/23/2012 8:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Oct 2012, at 21:22, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/26/2012 6:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote
On 12/24/2012 2:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
We don't have to bet the brain is (Turing universal), we can prove it.
Can we? How would you prove than every person's brain can compute every
computable function?
Brent
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Bruno and Brent:
we T H I N K we have an idea what 'qualia' may be and ACCEPT our figment
on 'quanta' (i.e numbered 'objects' - figments as well).
None of the two(?) are closer to the essence (read: 'truth') we just got
better used (evolved?) to quantitative thinking and language concerning
On 26 Oct 2012, at 21:22, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/26/2012 6:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Oct 2012, at 18:57, meekerdb wrote:
Good points. The contrast is usually qualia-v-quanta. I think
color can be communicated and we have an RGB language for doing
so that makes it more quanta
On 12/23/2012 8:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Oct 2012, at 21:22, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/26/2012 6:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Oct 2012, at 18:57, meekerdb wrote:
Good points. The contrast is usually qualia-v-quanta. I think color can be
communicated and we have an RGB language
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Subject: Re: Dennett and others on qualia
On 26 Oct 2012, at 13:51, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
Quanta do exist, and can be measured,
but by definition they can only be experienced as qualia,
(another word for experience) which
On 26 Oct 2012, at 01:45, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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wrote:
You can identify a particular qualia with
the following content -
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Time: 2012-10-25, 09:11:40
Subject: Re: Dennett and others on qualia
I agree.
is there something that can be perceived that is not qualia? It?
less qualia the shape and location of a circle in ha sheet of paper
than its color
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Subject: Re: Dennett and others on qualia
Good points. The contrast is usually qualia-v-quanta. I think color
can be communicated
and we have an RGB language for doing so that makes it more quanta
than qualia. So
extending your point to Schrodinger
On 27 Oct 2012, at 14:59, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, October 27, 2012 8:08:01 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Oct 2012, at 01:45, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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: Dennett and others on qualia
I agree.
is there something that can be perceived that is not qualia? It?
less qualia the shape and location of a circle in ha sheet of paper
than its color?.The fact that the position and radius of the circle
can be measured and communicated does not change
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Time: 2012-10-25, 12:38:57
Subject: Re: Dennett and others on qualia
On 10/25/2012 5:17 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
2) Dennett on qualia
In Consciousness Explained (1991) and Quining Qualia (1988),[19] Daniel
Dennett offers an argument against qualia that attempts
, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Time: 2012-10-25, 12:57:11
Subject: Re: Dennett and others on qualia
Good points. The contrast is usually qualia-v-quanta. I think color can be
communicated
On 25 Oct 2012, at 18:57, meekerdb wrote:
Good points. The contrast is usually qualia-v-quanta. I think color
can be communicated and we have an RGB language for doing so that
makes it more quanta than qualia. So extending your point to
Schrodinger, if you're a wine connoisseur you have
On 25 Oct 2012, at 22:58, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
You can identify a particular qualia with certain computational
states of algorithms. All you need to do to (in principle) decide if
a system is experiencing the color red is to see if the right
algorithm is being executed.
That's right.
: Re: Dennett and others on qualia
Good points. The contrast is usually qualia-v-quanta. I think color can be
communicated
and we have an RGB language for doing so that makes it more quanta than
qualia. So
extending your point to Schrodinger, if you're a wine connoisseur you have a
language
On 10/26/2012 6:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Oct 2012, at 18:57, meekerdb wrote:
Good points. The contrast is usually qualia-v-quanta. I think color can be
communicated and we have an RGB language for doing so that makes it more quanta than
qualia. So extending your point to
I agree.
is there something that can be perceived that is not qualia? It´s
less qualia the shape and location of a circle in ha sheet of paper
than its color?.The fact that the position and radius of the circle
can be measured and communicated does not change the fact that they
produce a
On 10/25/2012 5:17 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
2) Dennett on qualia
In Consciousness Explained (1991) and Quining Qualia (1988),[19] Daniel
Dennett offers an argument against qualia that attempts to
show that the above definition breaks down when one tries to make a practical
application of it.
Good points. The contrast is usually qualia-v-quanta. I think color can be communicated
and we have an RGB language for doing so that makes it more quanta than qualia. So
extending your point to Schrodinger, if you're a wine connoisseur you have a language for
communicating the taste of wine.
On Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:57:34 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
Good points. The contrast is usually qualia-v-quanta. I think color can
be communicated
and we have an RGB language for doing so that makes it more quanta than
qualia.
That doesn't work. RGB coordinates do not help a
You can identify a particular qualia with certain computational states
of algorithms. All you need to do to (in principle) decide if a system
is experiencing the color red is to see if the right algorithm is
being executed.
Saibal
Citeren Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com:
On
On Thursday, October 25, 2012 4:58:33 PM UTC-4, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
You can identify a particular qualia with certain computational states
of algorithms. All you need to do to (in principle) decide if a system
is experiencing the color red is to see if the right algorithm is
being
Citeren Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com:
On Thursday, October 25, 2012 4:58:33 PM UTC-4, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
You can identify a particular qualia with certain computational states
of algorithms. All you need to do to (in principle) decide if a system
is experiencing the color red
On 10/25/2012 5:16 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Citeren Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com:
On Thursday, October 25, 2012 4:58:33 PM UTC-4, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
You can identify a particular qualia with certain computational states
of algorithms. All you need to do to (in principle)
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On Thursday, October 25, 2012 4:58:33 PM UTC-4, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
You can identify a particular qualia with certain computational states
of
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On Thursday, October 25, 2012 4:58:33 PM UTC-4, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
You can identify a
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Citeren Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript::
On Thursday, October 25, 2012 4:58:33 PM UTC-4, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
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