Re: Disproofs of Bell, GHZ, and Hardy Type Theorems and the Illusion of Entanglement

[Lawrence Crowell]

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 2:05:29 PM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
>
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 4:57:35 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
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>> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 12:16:04 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 11:11:21 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote:

 Joy Christian is a crank. Back in 2010 Moldoveanu and I tore him up. 
 His idea is a flawed idea of using Clifford algebras, where in effect he 
 converts a summation into a sum of absolute values. His so called QM is a 
 dead duck.

 LC

>>>
>>> *Presumably, you confronted him with your findings. What was his 
>>> response? Was the paper peer-reviewed? AG *
>>>
>>
>> I did not publish anything, but somebody (who's name I can't recall) in 
>> the FQXi forum did publish something based on these arguments. JC has been 
>> excoriated for this, not so much because he is wrong but because his 
>> refusal to admit error is an example of the Monty Python "Dead Parrot 
>> Skit." 
>>
>> LC
>>
>
> *This is it.   https://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.0535.pdf 
>    What's the dead parrot skit? AG*
>

I had forgotten that Florin wrote a paper on this too.

The dead parrot skit:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218

LC

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Re: Disproofs of Bell, GHZ, and Hardy Type Theorems and the Illusion of Entanglement

[agrayson2000]

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 4:57:35 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 12:16:04 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 11:11:21 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>>>
>>> Joy Christian is a crank. Back in 2010 Moldoveanu and I tore him up. His 
>>> idea is a flawed idea of using Clifford algebras, where in effect he 
>>> converts a summation into a sum of absolute values. His so called QM is a 
>>> dead duck.
>>>
>>> LC
>>>
>>
>> *Presumably, you confronted him with your findings. What was his 
>> response? Was the paper peer-reviewed? AG *
>>
>
> I did not publish anything, but somebody (who's name I can't recall) in 
> the FQXi forum did publish something based on these arguments. JC has been 
> excoriated for this, not so much because he is wrong but because his 
> refusal to admit error is an example of the Monty Python "Dead Parrot 
> Skit." 
>
> LC
>

*This is it.   https://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.0535.pdf   What's the dead parrot 
skit? AG*

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Re: Disproofs of Bell, GHZ, and Hardy Type Theorems and the Illusion of Entanglement

[Lawrence Crowell]

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 12:16:04 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 11:11:21 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>>
>> Joy Christian is a crank. Back in 2010 Moldoveanu and I tore him up. His 
>> idea is a flawed idea of using Clifford algebras, where in effect he 
>> converts a summation into a sum of absolute values. His so called QM is a 
>> dead duck.
>>
>> LC
>>
>
> *Presumably, you confronted him with your findings. What was his response? 
> Was the paper peer-reviewed? AG *
>

I did not publish anything, but somebody (who's name I can't recall) in the 
FQXi forum did publish something based on these arguments. JC has been 
excoriated for this, not so much because he is wrong but because his 
refusal to admit error is an example of the Monty Python "Dead Parrot 
Skit." 

LC

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Re: Disproofs of Bell, GHZ, and Hardy Type Theorems and the Illusion of Entanglement

[agrayson2000]

On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 11:11:21 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>
> Joy Christian is a crank. Back in 2010 Moldoveanu and I tore him up. His 
> idea is a flawed idea of using Clifford algebras, where in effect he 
> converts a summation into a sum of absolute values. His so called QM is a 
> dead duck.
>
> LC
>


*Presumably, you confronted him with your findings. What was his response? 
Was the paper peer-reviewed? AG *

>
>
> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 3:45:42 PM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 8:17:50 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
>>>
>>> You might notice that Joy has been riding that hobby horse for 8yrs.  
>>> Look for contrary analyses.
>>>
>>> Brent
>>>
>>
>> Let's see; 2018-2010= 8. Do you find her analysis wanting, and if so, 
>> how? AG 
>>
>>>
>>> On 4/9/2018 7:56 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Joy Christian∗ Department of Physics, University of Oxford, Parks Road, 
>>> Oxford OX1 3PU, United Kingdom 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> An elementary topological error in Bell’s representation of the EPR 
>>> elements of reality is identified. Once recognized, it leads to a 
>>> topologically correct local-realistic framework that provides exact, 
>>> deterministic, and local underpinning of at least the Bell, GHZ-3, GHZ-4, 
>>> and Hardy states. The correlations exhibited by these states are shown to 
>>> be exactly the classical correlations among the points of a 3 or 7-sphere, 
>>> both of which are closed under multiplication, and hence preserve the 
>>> locality condition of Bell. The alleged non-localities of these states are 
>>> thus shown to result from misidentified topologies of the EPR elements of 
>>> reality. When topologies are correctly identified, local-realistic 
>>> completion of any arbitrary entangled state is always guaranteed in our 
>>> framework. This vindicates EPR, and entails that quantum entanglement is 
>>> best understood as an illusion. 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> https://arxiv.org/pdf/0904.4259.pdf 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: Disproofs of Bell, GHZ, and Hardy Type Theorems and the Illusion of Entanglement

[Lawrence Crowell]

Joy Christian is a crank. Back in 2010 Moldoveanu and I tore him up. His 
idea is a flawed idea of using Clifford algebras, where in effect he 
converts a summation into a sum of absolute values. His so called QM is a 
dead duck.

LC

On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 3:45:42 PM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 8:17:50 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
>>
>> You might notice that Joy has been riding that hobby horse for 8yrs.  
>> Look for contrary analyses.
>>
>> Brent
>>
>
> Let's see; 2018-2010= 8. Do you find her analysis wanting, and if so, how? 
> AG 
>
>>
>> On 4/9/2018 7:56 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Joy Christian∗ Department of Physics, University of Oxford, Parks Road, 
>> Oxford OX1 3PU, United Kingdom 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> An elementary topological error in Bell’s representation of the EPR 
>> elements of reality is identified. Once recognized, it leads to a 
>> topologically correct local-realistic framework that provides exact, 
>> deterministic, and local underpinning of at least the Bell, GHZ-3, GHZ-4, 
>> and Hardy states. The correlations exhibited by these states are shown to 
>> be exactly the classical correlations among the points of a 3 or 7-sphere, 
>> both of which are closed under multiplication, and hence preserve the 
>> locality condition of Bell. The alleged non-localities of these states are 
>> thus shown to result from misidentified topologies of the EPR elements of 
>> reality. When topologies are correctly identified, local-realistic 
>> completion of any arbitrary entangled state is always guaranteed in our 
>> framework. This vindicates EPR, and entails that quantum entanglement is 
>> best understood as an illusion. 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> https://arxiv.org/pdf/0904.4259.pdf 
>> 
>>
>>
>>

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Re: Disproofs of Bell, GHZ, and Hardy Type Theorems and the Illusion of Entanglement

[agrayson2000]

On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 8:45:42 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 8:17:50 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
>>
>> You might notice that Joy has been riding that hobby horse for 8yrs.  
>> Look for contrary analyses.
>>
>> Brent
>>
>
> Let's see; 2018-2010= 8. Do you find her analysis wanting, and if so, how? 
> AG 
>

 Apriori, it's more likely that Bell made an error in his mathematics, than 
FTL influences exist. AG

>
>> On 4/9/2018 7:56 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Joy Christian∗ Department of Physics, University of Oxford, Parks Road, 
>> Oxford OX1 3PU, United Kingdom 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> An elementary topological error in Bell’s representation of the EPR 
>> elements of reality is identified. Once recognized, it leads to a 
>> topologically correct local-realistic framework that provides exact, 
>> deterministic, and local underpinning of at least the Bell, GHZ-3, GHZ-4, 
>> and Hardy states. The correlations exhibited by these states are shown to 
>> be exactly the classical correlations among the points of a 3 or 7-sphere, 
>> both of which are closed under multiplication, and hence preserve the 
>> locality condition of Bell. The alleged non-localities of these states are 
>> thus shown to result from misidentified topologies of the EPR elements of 
>> reality. When topologies are correctly identified, local-realistic 
>> completion of any arbitrary entangled state is always guaranteed in our 
>> framework. This vindicates EPR, and entails that quantum entanglement is 
>> best understood as an illusion. 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> https://arxiv.org/pdf/0904.4259.pdf 
>> 
>>
>>
>>

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Re: Disproofs of Bell, GHZ, and Hardy Type Theorems and the Illusion of Entanglement

[agrayson2000]

On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 8:17:50 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
>
> You might notice that Joy has been riding that hobby horse for 8yrs.  Look 
> for contrary analyses.
>
> Brent
>

Let's see; 2018-2010= 8. Do you find her analysis wanting, and if so, how? 
AG 

>
> On 4/9/2018 7:56 AM, agrays...@gmail.com  wrote:
>
> Joy Christian∗ Department of Physics, University of Oxford, Parks Road, 
> Oxford OX1 3PU, United Kingdom 
> 
>
>
> 
>
> An elementary topological error in Bell’s representation of the EPR 
> elements of reality is identified. Once recognized, it leads to a 
> topologically correct local-realistic framework that provides exact, 
> deterministic, and local underpinning of at least the Bell, GHZ-3, GHZ-4, 
> and Hardy states. The correlations exhibited by these states are shown to 
> be exactly the classical correlations among the points of a 3 or 7-sphere, 
> both of which are closed under multiplication, and hence preserve the 
> locality condition of Bell. The alleged non-localities of these states are 
> thus shown to result from misidentified topologies of the EPR elements of 
> reality. When topologies are correctly identified, local-realistic 
> completion of any arbitrary entangled state is always guaranteed in our 
> framework. This vindicates EPR, and entails that quantum entanglement is 
> best understood as an illusion. 
> 
>
>
> 
>
> https://arxiv.org/pdf/0904.4259.pdf 
> 
>
>
>

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Re: Disproofs of Bell, GHZ, and Hardy Type Theorems and the Illusion of Entanglement

[Brent Meeker]

You might notice that Joy has been riding that hobby horse for 8yrs.  
Look for contrary analyses.


Brent

On 4/9/2018 7:56 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:


Joy Christian∗ Department of Physics, University of Oxford, Parks 
Road, Oxford OX1 3PU, United Kingdom 






An elementary topological error in Bell’s representation of the EPR 
elements of reality is identified. Once recognized, it leads to a 
topologically correct local-realistic framework that provides exact, 
deterministic, and local underpinning of at least the Bell, GHZ-3, 
GHZ-4, and Hardy states. The correlations exhibited by these states 
are shown to be exactly the classical correlations among the points of 
a 3 or 7-sphere, both of which are closed under multiplication, and 
hence preserve the locality condition of Bell. The alleged 
non-localities of these states are thus shown to result from 
misidentified topologies of the EPR elements of reality. When 
topologies are correctly identified, local-realistic completion of any 
arbitrary entangled state is always guaranteed in our framework. This 
vindicates EPR, and entails that quantum entanglement is best 
understood as an illusion. 






https://arxiv.org/pdf/0904.4259.pdf 





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