Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 2:35:10 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 6/11/2018 7:12 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 1:53:42 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 6/11/2018 6:26 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Monday, June 11, 2018 at

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 2:12:51 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 1:53:42 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 6/11/2018 6:26 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 10:57:59 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 6/11/2018 7:12 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 1:53:42 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 6/11/2018 6:26 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 10:57:59 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 6/11/2018 3:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 1:53:42 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 6/11/2018 6:26 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 10:57:59 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 6/11/2018 3:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> I am not sure this make sense (with

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 11 Jun 2018, at 14:48, Bruce Kellett > wrote: From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> Only in the sense that the biological brain has evolved through decoherence with respect to some base, but as

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 6/11/2018 6:26 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 10:57:59 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 6/11/2018 3:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure this make sense (with the SWE). The cat is always isolated, in some sense.

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 10:57:59 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 6/11/2018 3:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > >>> I am not sure this make sense (with the SWE). The cat is always >>> isolated, in some sense. >>> >> >> >> * IMO totally wrong. In fact now you're contradicting what you

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 6/11/2018 3:22 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure this make sense (with the SWE). The cat is always isolated, in some sense. * IMO totally wrong. In fact now you're contradicting what you wrote in a recent post. The cat is NEVER ISOLATED,

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 7:39:45 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 4:19:34 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 11 Jun 2018, at 12:59, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 10:40:13 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>>

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 4:19:34 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Jun 2018, at 12:59, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 10:40:13 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 11 Jun 2018, at 07:06, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, June 11,

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jun 2018, at 14:48, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> >>> On 11 Jun 2018, at 03:37, Bruce Kellett < >>> bhkell...@optusnet.com.au >>> > wrote: >>> >>> From: Bruno Marchal

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jun 2018, at 12:59, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 10:40:13 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Jun 2018, at 07:06, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 2:20:47 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >>

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 11 Jun 2018, at 03:37, Bruce Kellett > wrote: From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be> On 8 Jun 2018, at 14:55, Bruce Kellett > wrote: The choice of basis makes all

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 10:40:13 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Jun 2018, at 07:06, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 2:20:47 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 2:09:25 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> From: >>> >>>

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jun 2018, at 08:56, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > [big snip] > > For Bruno: > > On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 6:50:51 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > Thanks for the data dump. It's way above my head, so not so far above that I > can't see the virtue of using arithmetic logic

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jun 2018, at 08:50, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 3:19:37 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 9 Jun 2018, at 01:10, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 12:06:33 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> On 8 Jun 2018, at

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jun 2018, at 07:06, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 2:20:47 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 2:09:25 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > From: > >> On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 1:37:53 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> From: Bruno Marchal

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jun 2018, at 03:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be> >>> On 8 Jun 2018, at 14:55, Bruce Kellett < >>> bhkell...@optusnet.com.au >>> > wrote: >>> >>> From: Bruno Marchal

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 10 Jun 2018, at 18:53, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 11:22:41 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 9 Jun 2018, at 03:52, Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> >> From: >>> >>> On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 12:22:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> Are you

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jun 2018, at 01:53, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 09:53:37AM -0700, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 11:22:41 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> *Edwin Schrodinger. AG* >>> >>> >>> Erwin Schroedinger. (To AG). >>> >>

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Jun 2018, at 01:56, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 05:19:34PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> What happened with your Ph’D? >> >> It was rejected by my old bullying-friends in Brussels University,, at the >> recievability level (I never mette them) but I

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread agrayson2000
[big snip] For Bruno: On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 6:50:51 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > *Thanks for the data dump. It's way above my head, so not so far above > that I can't see the virtue of using arithmetic logic as a starting point > for a new take on reality. I might buy the

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-11 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 3:19:37 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 9 Jun 2018, at 01:10, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 12:06:33 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 8 Jun 2018, at 03:30, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-10 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 2:20:47 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 2:09:25 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: >> >> On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 1:37:53 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> From: Bruno Marchal >> Everett prove the contrary, and he convinced me when

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-10 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 2:09:25 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: > > > On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 1:37:53 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: Bruno Marchal > Everett prove the contrary, and he convinced me when I read it. I found >> “his proof” used in many books on quantum computing, although

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-10 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 1:37:53 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: From: *Bruno Marchal* *So you find the resolution in the fact that according to decoherence theory, the cat is simultaneously alive and dead for only short time? AG* Decoherence has resolved

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-10 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 1:37:53 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal > > On 8 Jun 2018, at 14:55, Bruce Kellett < > bhke...@optusnet.com.au > wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal > > > On 8 Jun 2018, at 02:32, Bruce Kellett < > bhke...@optusnet.com.au > wrote: > > > The SWE does not

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-10 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be> On 8 Jun 2018, at 14:55, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 8 Jun 2018, at 02:32, Bruce Kellett wrote: The SWE does not give a preferred basis. Basing MWI on the Schrödinger equation runs into the basis

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-10 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 12:01:39 AM UTC, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 05:19:34PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > > > What happened with your Ph’D? > > > > It was rejected by my old bullying-friends in Brussels University,, at > the recievability level (I never

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-10 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 09:53:37AM -0700, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 11:22:41 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > > > *Edwin Schrodinger. AG* > > > > > > Erwin Schroedinger. (To AG). > > > > OK, but how does one type the umlaut? AG He was more correcting

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-10 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 05:19:34PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > What happened with your Ph’D? > > It was rejected by my old bullying-friends in Brussels University,, at the > recievability level (I never mette them) but I defended it without any > problem in France (Lille), where I got

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-10 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 11:22:41 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 9 Jun 2018, at 03:52, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > From: > > > On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 12:22:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> >> Are you trolling? Who claimed that having macrosopic entities in a >> superposition was

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 9 Jun 2018, at 01:10, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 12:06:33 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 8 Jun 2018, at 03:30, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 9:07:37 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > [snip] > >So

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 9 Jun 2018, at 03:52, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com> >> >> On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 12:22:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> Are you trolling? Who claimed that having macrosopic entities in a >> superposition was a fallacy? >> >> Edwin Schrodinger. AG

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-08 Thread agrayson2000
On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 12:22:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: > > > > On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 12:55:13 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > The Schrödinger equation merely gives the time evolution of the system. To > define the problem you have to specify a wave function. It is in the >

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-08 Thread agrayson2000
On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 1:52:21 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: > > > On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 12:22:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> >> Are you trolling? Who claimed that having macrosopic entities in a >> superposition was a fallacy? >> > > *Edwin Schrodinger. AG* > > > Schrödinger

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-08 Thread agrayson2000
On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 1:52:21 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: > > > On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 12:22:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> >> Are you trolling? Who claimed that having macrosopic entities in a >> superposition was a fallacy? >> > > *Edwin Schrodinger. AG* > > > Schrödinger

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-08 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com> On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 12:22:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: Are you trolling? Who claimed that having macrosopic entities in a superposition was a fallacy? *Edwin Schrodinger. AG* Schrödinger thought it was an absurdity, not a fallacy because he

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-08 Thread agrayson2000
On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 12:22:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: > > > > On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 12:55:13 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > The Schrödinger equation merely gives the time evolution of the system. To > define the problem you have to specify a wave function. It is in the >

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-08 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 12:55:13 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: The Schrödinger equation merely gives the time evolution of the system. To define the problem you have to specify a wave function. It is in the expansion of this wave function in terms of a set of

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-08 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 12:55:13 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: *Bruno Marchal* > > > On 8 Jun 2018, at 02:32, Bruce Kellett < > bhke...@optusnet.com.au > wrote: > > > The SWE does not give a preferred basis. Basing MWI on the Schrödinger > equation runs into the basis problem. Few MWI

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-08 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 12:06:33 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 8 Jun 2018, at 03:30, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 9:07:37 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > [snip] > > * So consciousness anticipates all quantum experiment that MIGHT > occur in the

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 8 Jun 2018, at 14:55, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> >>> On 8 Jun 2018, at 02:32, Bruce Kellett < >>> bhkell...@optusnet.com.au >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> The SWE does not give a

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-08 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 8 Jun 2018, at 02:32, Bruce Kellett > wrote: The SWE does not give a preferred basis. Basing MWI on the Schrödinger equation runs into the basis problem. Few MWI advocates actually take this seriously. And

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 8 Jun 2018, at 03:30, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 9:07:37 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > [snip] > >So consciousness anticipates all quantum experiment that MIGHT occur > in the future, > > The arithmetical relations do that. Consciousness

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 8 Jun 2018, at 02:32, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> >> >> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 11:32:23 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> From: > >>> >>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 3:05:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> From: < agrays...@gmail.com

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-07 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 12:32:18 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: > > > > On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 11:32:23 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: >> >> >> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 3:05:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> From: >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-07 Thread agrayson2000
On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 9:07:37 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: [snip] * So consciousness anticipates all quantum experiment that MIGHT occur in the future, * The arithmetical relations do that. Consciousness only select the histories *and creates those worlds in anticipation?

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-07 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 11:32:23 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: From: On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 3:05:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: From: On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: From:

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-07 Thread agrayson2000
On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 11:32:23 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: > > > > On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 3:05:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: >> >> >> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> From: >>> >>> >>> Remember that the analysis I have given above is

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-07 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 3:05:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: From: On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: From: Remember that the analysis I have given above is schematic, representing the general

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 6 Jun 2018, at 03:17, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 6/5/2018 5:05 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 7:02:11 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 6/5/2018 2:48 AM, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: One objective was

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 5 Jun 2018, at 05:41, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 3:25:25 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 4:26:45 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 3 Jun 2018, at 23:37, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday,

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 5 Jun 2018, at 05:05, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> >> >> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> From: > >>> >>> Remember that the analysis I have given above is schematic, representing >>> the general progression of unitary

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-06 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 3:05:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: > > > > On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: >> >> >> Remember that the analysis I have given above is schematic, representing >> the general progression of unitary evolution. It is not specific

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-06 Thread agrayson2000
On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 1:17:22 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 6/5/2018 5:05 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: > > > > On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 7:02:11 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 6/5/2018 2:48 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> *One objective was to convince myself whether

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-05 Thread Brent Meeker
On 6/5/2018 5:05 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 7:02:11 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 6/5/2018 2:48 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: *One objective was to convince myself whether the wf you have written for decoherence makes

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-05 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 7:02:11 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 6/5/2018 2:48 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: *One objective was to convince myself whether the wf you have written for decoherence makes any sense. Originally I thought one

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-05 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 7:02:11 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 6/5/2018 2:48 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > *One objective was to convince myself whether the wf you have written for > decoherence makes any sense. Originally I thought one needed mutual > interference of all components

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-05 Thread Brent Meeker
On 6/5/2018 2:48 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: *One objective was to convince myself whether the wf you have written for decoherence makes any sense. Originally I thought one needed mutual interference of all components for it to be viable. I doubted whether each component interferes

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-05 Thread Brent Meeker
On 6/5/2018 2:05 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 7:03:28 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: From: On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: From: Remember that the analysis I have given above is

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-05 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 9:05:13 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: > > > > On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 7:03:28 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: >> >> >> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> From: >>> >>> >>> Remember that the analysis I have given above is

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-05 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 7:03:28 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: From: On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: From: Remember that the analysis I have given above is schematic, representing the general

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-05 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 7:03:28 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: > > > > On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: >> >> >> Remember that the analysis I have given above is schematic, representing >> the general progression of unitary evolution. It is not specific

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-05 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: From: Remember that the analysis I have given above is schematic, representing the general progression of unitary evolution. It is not specific to any particular case, or any

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-05 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: > > > > Remember that the analysis I have given above is schematic, representing > the general progression of unitary evolution. It is not specific to any > particular case, or any particular number of possible outcomes for the

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-05 Thread 'scerir' via Everything List
> Il 5 giugno 2018 alle 5.05 Bruce Kellett ha > scritto: > > From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-04 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 3:05:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: > > > > On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: >> >> >> Remember that the analysis I have given above is schematic, representing >> the general progression of unitary evolution. It is not specific

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-04 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 3:25:25 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 4:26:45 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 3 Jun 2018, at 23:37, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 3:15:13 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-04 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 4:26:45 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 Jun 2018, at 23:37, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 3:15:13 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 1:05:48 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 2

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-04 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: From: Remember that the analysis I have given above is schematic, representing the general progression of unitary evolution. It is not specific to any particular case, or any

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-04 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 2:02:49 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 12:50 AM, > > wrote: > > > *> when decoherence or the MWI implies the creation of full-blown worlds > (that we can't observe), there seems to be a large body of opinion that > accepts this bizarre

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-04 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: > > > > Remember that the analysis I have given above is schematic, representing > the general progression of unitary evolution. It is not specific to any > particular case, or any particular number of possible outcomes for the

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-04 Thread John Clark
On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 12:50 AM, wrote: > *> when decoherence or the MWI implies the creation of full-blown worlds > (that we can't observe), there seems to be a large body of opinion that > accepts this bizarre result without serious criticism that there's no > mechanism or process for

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-04 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> Remember that the analysis I have given above is schematic, representing the general progression of unitary evolution. It is not specific to any particular case, or any particular number of possible outcomes for the experiment. Bruce *OK. For economy

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-04 Thread agrayson2000
From: On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 2:23:46 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 12:06:53 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: > >> On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 8:16:07 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> From: >> >>> OK, but how does one jump to the assumption of other

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 3 Jun 2018, at 23:37, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 3:15:13 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 1:05:48 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 2 Jun 2018, at 00:23, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: >> >> On Friday, June 1,

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-03 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 2:23:46 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 12:06:53 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: From: On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 8:16:07 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-03 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 3:15:13 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 1:05:48 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 2 Jun 2018, at 00:23, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 4:43:29 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-03 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 1:05:48 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 2 Jun 2018, at 00:23, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 4:43:29 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 3:59:05 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 31 May

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-03 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 2:23:46 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 12:06:53 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: > >> On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 8:16:07 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> From: >> >>> OK, but how does one jump to the assumption of other worlds?

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 2 Jun 2018, at 00:23, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 4:43:29 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 3:59:05 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 31 May 2018, at 23:05, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> How can you

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-02 Thread agrayson2000
On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 12:06:53 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: > > On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 8:16:07 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: > >> OK, but how does one jump to the assumption of other worlds? Doesn't each >> "branch" exist in this world? AG >> >> >> Initially yes. But

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-01 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 4:43:29 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 3:59:05 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 31 May 2018, at 23:05, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> *How can you have experimental evidence for many worlds if they are >>>

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-01 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 3:59:05 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 31 May 2018, at 23:05, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > >> >> >> *How can you have experimental evidence for many worlds if they are >> disjoint from this world? AG * >> >> *When mathematics points to things which don't

Re: Entanglement

2018-06-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 31 May 2018, at 23:05, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > How can you have experimental evidence for many worlds if they are disjoint > from this world? AG > When mathematics points to things which don't exist, it's usually, maybe > always, the consequence of some unstated,

Re: Entanglement

2018-05-31 Thread agrayson2000
On Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 2:37:10 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 May 2018, at 12:47, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 9:24:51 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 May 2018, at 22:31, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 28, 2018 at

Re: Entanglement

2018-05-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 30 May 2018, at 12:47, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 9:24:51 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 28 May 2018, at 22:31, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 5:24:22 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 26 May

Re: Entanglement

2018-05-30 Thread agrayson2000
On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 9:24:51 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 May 2018, at 22:31, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 5:24:22 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 26 May 2018, at 06:50, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, May 26,

Re: Entanglement

2018-05-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 28 May 2018, at 22:31, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 5:24:22 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 26 May 2018, at 06:50, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 4:33:27 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> From: > >>> >>> On

Re: Entanglement

2018-05-28 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 5:24:22 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 26 May 2018, at 06:50, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 4:33:27 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: >> >> >> On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 12:06:53 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> From: >> >>> On

Re: Entanglement

2018-05-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 26 May 2018, at 11:20, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 5/26/2018 1:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> If a particle evolution if given by F(x, t), and if it is put in the >> superposition x1 + x2, the particles will evolve into the superposition >> F(x1, t) + F(x2, t). Making the worlds

Re: Entanglement

2018-05-27 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 6:31:43 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/26/2018 11:21 PM, 'scerir' via Everything List wrote: > > > > Il 27 maggio 2018 alle 6.05 Brent Meeker > ha scritto: > > > > On 5/26/2018 1:37 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, May

Re: Entanglement

2018-05-27 Thread Brent Meeker
On 5/26/2018 11:21 PM, 'scerir' via Everything List wrote: Il 27 maggio 2018 alle 6.05 Brent Meeker ha scritto: On 5/26/2018 1:37 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 5:08:51 AM UTC, Brent wrote:

Re: Entanglement

2018-05-27 Thread agrayson2000
On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 8:29:24 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 4:33:27 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: >> >> >> On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 12:06:53 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> From: >> >>> On

Re: Entanglement

2018-05-27 Thread 'scerir' via Everything List
> Il 27 maggio 2018 alle 8.21 'scerir' via Everything List > ha scritto: > > > > > > > Il 27 maggio 2018 alle 6.05 Brent Meeker > ha scritto: > > > > > > > > On 5/26/2018 1:37 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com > >

Re: Entanglement

2018-05-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
Here is a nice paper-PDF from Hartle on the consistent histories approach to give sense of the relative probabilities on a quantum mechanical history. This is sometimes call the post Everett approach, initiated by Griffith (1984), Omnes, (1988) and discovered also independently by Gell-Man and

Re: Entanglement

2018-05-27 Thread 'scerir' via Everything List
> Il 27 maggio 2018 alle 8.37 agrayson2...@gmail.com ha scritto: > > > > On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 6:21:47 AM UTC, scerir wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Il 27 maggio 2018 alle 6.05 Brent Meeker < > > meek...@verizon.net> ha scritto: > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Entanglement

2018-05-27 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 6:21:47 AM UTC, scerir wrote: > > > > Il 27 maggio 2018 alle 6.05 Brent Meeker > ha scritto: > > > > On 5/26/2018 1:37 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 5:08:51 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/25/2018 9:50

Re: Entanglement

2018-05-27 Thread 'scerir' via Everything List
> Il 27 maggio 2018 alle 6.05 Brent Meeker ha scritto: > > > > On 5/26/2018 1:37 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com > mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 5:08:51 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > > >

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