Re: Errata (for the origin of physical laws)

2004-09-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
The curious and amusing thing is that in FU, Smullyan
call that error the beginners error (page 46).
It consists in believing that the formula (a- -b)  (a - b) is
a contradiction, where actually the formula is true in case a is false.
A simpler example is (p- -p). This is true for p false.
What is curious and amusing is that Smullyan made that very error
page 42 (of the first edition, and it is wrongly corrected in the second
edition). Can you see it.
Morality: consistent machines *can* be inconsistent,
as any Loebian machine believes (-Bf - -B- Bf).
Well; that is neither a justification nor a consolation ...
At 12:26 23/09/04 +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Hi,
In the second paragraph of the physics and sensations section
of my paper the origin of physical laws and sensations I made
a rather stupid error (what a shame!).
Indeed I say Note that neither G nor G* does prove it
[where it is for Bp - -B-p]. This is ridiculous, because
G* proves Bp-p, for any p, and thus G* proves B-p - -p,
and thus (by contraposition) G* proves p--B-p, and by
propositional calculus Bp--B-p.
Worst, my justification was that Bf-B-f  (where f = false).
This is correct, but I infer from that that Bf--B-f is not provable by G*.
But G* proves both Bf-B-f and Bf--B-f, that is Bf-f.
The error has no consequences for the rest of the paper, but
still, why did I wrote that???
Please, don't hesitate to ask ANY questions, so that perhaps
other errors will be single out.
You can also propose more general
critics. Don't be shy. (You can also ask questions about FU).
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/


Re: Errata (for the origin of physical laws)

2004-09-24 Thread Hal Ruhl
I once saw a quote attributed to Niels Bohr to the effect that an expert is 
a person who has made all the mistakes its possible to make in a narrow 
field of endeavor.

Hal
At 07:11 AM 9/24/2004, you wrote:
The curious and amusing thing is that in FU, Smullyan
call that error the beginners error (page 46).
It consists in believing that the formula (a- -b)  (a - b) is
a contradiction, where actually the formula is true in case a is false.
A simpler example is (p- -p). This is true for p false.
What is curious and amusing is that Smullyan made that very error
page 42 (of the first edition, and it is wrongly corrected in the second
edition). Can you see it.
Morality: consistent machines *can* be inconsistent,
as any Loebian machine believes (-Bf - -B- Bf).
Well; that is neither a justification nor a consolation ...
At 12:26 23/09/04 +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Hi,
In the second paragraph of the physics and sensations section
of my paper the origin of physical laws and sensations I made
a rather stupid error (what a shame!).
Indeed I say Note that neither G nor G* does prove it
[where it is for Bp - -B-p]. This is ridiculous, because
G* proves Bp-p, for any p, and thus G* proves B-p - -p,
and thus (by contraposition) G* proves p--B-p, and by
propositional calculus Bp--B-p.
Worst, my justification was that Bf-B-f  (where f = false).
This is correct, but I infer from that that Bf--B-f is not provable by G*.
But G* proves both Bf-B-f and Bf--B-f, that is Bf-f.
The error has no consequences for the rest of the paper, but
still, why did I wrote that???
Please, don't hesitate to ask ANY questions, so that perhaps
other errors will be single out.
You can also propose more general
critics. Don't be shy. (You can also ask questions about FU).
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/