Re: Gemini!

2025-12-13 Thread Alan Grayson


On Monday, December 8, 2025 at 7:35:24 AM UTC-7 John Clark wrote:


On Sun, Dec 7, 2025 at 7:58 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:

*>> I've started using it, mainly for GR. It's amazing! It's actually 
better, much better, than conversing with a person, and the replies are 
essentially immediate. AG *


*I don't think you could've said that a year ago, the rate of improvement 
is astounding. Imagine what it's going to be like a year from now! *

*John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
*


*For a variety of reasons, I now find it preferable using Gemini, compared 
to human interaction. Not only is it hugely more knowledgeable than 
possibly most experts in various fields, but it replies immediately, with 
fairly long text if necessary depending on the context, which a human 
couldn't match, or wouldn't want to. And it's always available, day or 
night. There's no way to distinguish Gemini from a human. Hard to believe, 
but IMO true. I might post some of my interactions here for general 
interest. AG*

*y5b*



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Re: Gemini!

2025-12-08 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Dec 7, 2025 at 7:58 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:

*>> I've started using it, mainly for GR. It's amazing! It's actually
> better, much better, than conversing with a person, and the replies are
> essentially immediate. AG *
>
>
*I don't think you could've said that a year ago, the rate of improvement
is astounding. Imagine what it's going to be like a year from now! *

*John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
*
y5b



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Re: Gemini!

2025-12-07 Thread Alan Grayson


On Saturday, December 6, 2025 at 5:38:08 PM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote:

I've started using it, mainly for GR. It's amazing! AG


It's actually better, much better, than conversing with a person, and the 
replies are essentially immediate. AG 

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Re: Gemini 3 DOMINATES

2025-11-30 Thread Brent Meeker



On 11/30/2025 8:22 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:



On Sunday, November 30, 2025 at 9:15:20 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:



On 11/30/2025 7:10 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:



On Sunday, November 30, 2025 at 7:15:40 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:



On 11/30/2025 4:48 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:



On Sunday, November 30, 2025 at 4:29:22 PM UTC-7 Brent
Meeker wrote:



On 11/30/2025 6:27 AM, Giulio Prisco wrote:

On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 2:56 PM Alan Grayson
 wrote:

On Tuesday, November 18, 2025 at 3:16:31 PM UTC-7 John
Clark wrote: Gemini 3 DOMINATES John K Clark I've
started using Gemini 3. I'm very impressed. Here's
what it says about its consciousness. "As an AI, I
don't experience human emotions like happiness. I
don't have feelings, consciousness, or personal
well-being." 

They all say this, just like we all say this and that
because we must say so. 

I'm never compelled to say "this and that".

Brent


So you're claiming you have free will, something I recall
you've denied in the past. AG

Let's see you find a quotation.

Brent


I really don't have the time or desire to do such a search. If I
am mistaken, then just say so. But that's my recollection. AG

Faulty memory.

Brent


Maybe. What is your position on free will? I vaguely recall you 
posting something that could be construed as a denial of free will. AG

I'm a compatibilist.  See Daniel Dennett's "Freedom Evolves".

Brent

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Re: Gemini 3 DOMINATES

2025-11-30 Thread Alan Grayson


On Sunday, November 30, 2025 at 9:15:20 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:



On 11/30/2025 7:10 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:



On Sunday, November 30, 2025 at 7:15:40 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:



On 11/30/2025 4:48 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:



On Sunday, November 30, 2025 at 4:29:22 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:



On 11/30/2025 6:27 AM, Giulio Prisco wrote:

On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 2:56 PM Alan Grayson  wrote: 

On Tuesday, November 18, 2025 at 3:16:31 PM UTC-7 John Clark wrote: Gemini 
3 DOMINATES John K Clark I've started using Gemini 3. I'm very impressed. 
Here's what it says about its consciousness. "As an AI, I don't experience 
human emotions like happiness. I don't have feelings, consciousness, or 
personal well-being." 

They all say this, just like we all say this and that because we must say 
so. 

I'm never compelled to say "this and that".

Brent


So you're claiming you have free will, something I recall you've denied in 
the past. AG 

Let's see you find a quotation.

Brent


I really don't have the time or desire to do such a search. If I am 
mistaken, then just say so. But that's my recollection. AG 

Faulty memory.

Brent


Maybe. What is your position on free will? I vaguely recall you posting 
something that could be construed as a denial of free will. AG 

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Re: Gemini 3 DOMINATES

2025-11-30 Thread Brent Meeker



On 11/30/2025 7:10 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:



On Sunday, November 30, 2025 at 7:15:40 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:



On 11/30/2025 4:48 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:



On Sunday, November 30, 2025 at 4:29:22 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:



On 11/30/2025 6:27 AM, Giulio Prisco wrote:

On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 2:56 PM Alan Grayson
 wrote:

On Tuesday, November 18, 2025 at 3:16:31 PM UTC-7 John
Clark wrote: Gemini 3 DOMINATES John K Clark I've started
using Gemini 3. I'm very impressed. Here's what it says
about its consciousness. "As an AI, I don't experience
human emotions like happiness. I don't have feelings,
consciousness, or personal well-being." 

They all say this, just like we all say this and that
because we must say so. 

I'm never compelled to say "this and that".

Brent


So you're claiming you have free will, something I recall you've
denied in the past. AG

Let's see you find a quotation.

Brent


I really don't have the time or desire to do such a search. If I am 
mistaken, then just say so. But that's my recollection. AG

Faulty memory.

Brent

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Re: Gemini 3 DOMINATES

2025-11-30 Thread Alan Grayson


On Sunday, November 30, 2025 at 7:15:40 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:



On 11/30/2025 4:48 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:



On Sunday, November 30, 2025 at 4:29:22 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:



On 11/30/2025 6:27 AM, Giulio Prisco wrote:

On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 2:56 PM Alan Grayson  wrote: 

On Tuesday, November 18, 2025 at 3:16:31 PM UTC-7 John Clark wrote: Gemini 
3 DOMINATES John K Clark I've started using Gemini 3. I'm very impressed. 
Here's what it says about its consciousness. "As an AI, I don't experience 
human emotions like happiness. I don't have feelings, consciousness, or 
personal well-being." 

They all say this, just like we all say this and that because we must say 
so. 

I'm never compelled to say "this and that".

Brent


So you're claiming you have free will, something I recall you've denied in 
the past. AG 

Let's see you find a quotation.

Brent


I really don't have the time or desire to do such a search. If I am 
mistaken, then just say so. But that's my recollection. AG 

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Re: Gemini 3 DOMINATES

2025-11-30 Thread Brent Meeker



On 11/30/2025 4:48 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:



On Sunday, November 30, 2025 at 4:29:22 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:



On 11/30/2025 6:27 AM, Giulio Prisco wrote:

On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 2:56 PM Alan Grayson
 wrote:

On Tuesday, November 18, 2025 at 3:16:31 PM UTC-7 John Clark
wrote: Gemini 3 DOMINATES John K Clark I've started using Gemini
3. I'm very impressed. Here's what it says about its
consciousness. "As an AI, I don't experience human emotions like
happiness. I don't have feelings, consciousness, or personal
well-being." 

They all say this, just like we all say this and that because we
must say so. 

I'm never compelled to say "this and that".

Brent


So you're claiming you have free will, something I recall you've 
denied in the past. AG

Let's see you find a quotation.

Brent

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Re: Gemini 3 DOMINATES

2025-11-30 Thread Alan Grayson


On Sunday, November 30, 2025 at 4:29:22 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:



On 11/30/2025 6:27 AM, Giulio Prisco wrote:

On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 2:56 PM Alan Grayson  wrote: 

On Tuesday, November 18, 2025 at 3:16:31 PM UTC-7 John Clark wrote: Gemini 
3 DOMINATES John K Clark I've started using Gemini 3. I'm very impressed. 
Here's what it says about its consciousness. "As an AI, I don't experience 
human emotions like happiness. I don't have feelings, consciousness, or 
personal well-being." 

They all say this, just like we all say this and that because we must say 
so. 

I'm never compelled to say "this and that".

Brent


So you're claiming you have free will, something I recall you've denied in 
the past. AG 

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Re: Gemini 3 DOMINATES

2025-11-30 Thread Brent Meeker



On 11/30/2025 6:27 AM, Giulio Prisco wrote:

On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 2:56 PM Alan Grayson wrote:



On Tuesday, November 18, 2025 at 3:16:31 PM UTC-7 John Clark wrote:

Gemini 3 DOMINATES

John K Clark


I've started using Gemini 3. I'm very impressed. Here's what it says about its 
consciousness.

  "As an AI, I don't experience human emotions like happiness. I don't have 
feelings, consciousness, or personal well-being."


They all say this, just like we all say this and that because we must say so.

I'm never compelled to say "this and that".

Brent

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Re: Gemini 3 DOMINATES

2025-11-30 Thread Alan Grayson


On Sunday, November 30, 2025 at 7:27:33 AM UTC-7 Giulio Prisco wrote:

On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 2:56 PM Alan Grayson  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, November 18, 2025 at 3:16:31 PM UTC-7 John Clark wrote: 
> 
> Gemini 3 DOMINATES 
> 
> John K Clark 
> 
> 
> I've started using Gemini 3. I'm very impressed. Here's what it says 
about its consciousness. 
> 
> "As an AI, I don't experience human emotions like happiness. I don't have 
feelings, consciousness, or personal well-being." AG

 
They all say this, just like we all say this and that because we must say 
so.

So you say you're not conscious? AG 


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Re: Gemini 3 DOMINATES

2025-11-30 Thread Giulio Prisco
On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 2:56 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 18, 2025 at 3:16:31 PM UTC-7 John Clark wrote:
>
> Gemini 3 DOMINATES
>
> John K Clark
>
>
> I've started using Gemini 3. I'm very impressed. Here's what it says about 
> its consciousness.
>
>  "As an AI, I don't experience human emotions like happiness. I don't have 
> feelings, consciousness, or personal well-being."
>

They all say this, just like we all say this and that because we must say so.

> AG
>
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Re: Gemini 3 DOMINATES

2025-11-30 Thread Alan Grayson


On Tuesday, November 18, 2025 at 3:16:31 PM UTC-7 John Clark wrote:

*Gemini 3 DOMINATES *

*John K Clark*


I've started using Gemini 3. I'm very impressed. Here's what it says about 
its consciousness.

 "As an AI, I don't experience human emotions like *happiness*. I don't 
have feelings, consciousness, or personal well-being."

AG

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Re: Gemini 2.5 pro is the new king of AI

2025-03-27 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
Of course I call 911. Luckily it is answered by people, not by AI that 
would let me die.

On Wednesday, 26 March 2025 at 20:32:28 UTC+2 John Clark wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 1:47 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> > AI! AI! AI! Excitation knows no limt!!!
>>
>
> *Hey Cosmin I have a question for you. Suppose you were in a bad car crash 
> in a remote area, you're bleeding profusely and are in great pain but 
> fortunately the impact has not damage your cell phone, so do you use that 
> marvel of modern technology to: *
>
> *A) Call 911 and ask them to send somebody who can use science to relieve 
> your  pain and save your life.*
>
> *OR*
>
> *B) Use it to search local pet stores for a bird that can parrot the 
> sounds "**AI! AI! AI! All that exists is consciousness!!!"*
>
> *So which is it Cosmin, which course of action would demonstrate greater 
> intelligence, A or B?*
>
>
> *John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> *
>
> wdq
>
>
>  
>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 26 March 2025 at 18:11:55 UTC+2 John Clark wrote:
>>
>  
>
>> *Google released Gemini 2.5 pro just a few hours ago, and it's the 
>>> smartest AI anybody has ever created, at least so far. It can even solve a 
>>> 10 x 10 Rubik's cube. And this is the stupidest it will ever be! We 
>>> certainly live in interesting times. *
>>>
>>>
>>> *I Challenged Gemini 2.5 Pro... and Regret Everything 
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Google Gemini 2.5 Pro is insanely good * 
>>> 
>>>
>>>

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Re: Gemini 2.5 pro is the new king of AI

2025-03-27 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
Of course the accident exists, since it is an effect in consciousness.

On Thursday, 27 March 2025 at 13:07:18 UTC+2 John Clark wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 3:54 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> *> Of course I call 911. *
>
>
> *But why?! The accident didn't exist. Your wounds don't exist. The 
> ambulance sent by 911 doesn't exist. And modern medical science doesn't 
> exist. Only consciousness exists. Or at least that's the imbecilic mantra 
> that you keep endlessly repeating. *
>
> *>Luckily it is answered by people, not by AI that would let me die.*
>
>
> *If I was in a bad accident I'd much rather have an AI answer when I 
> called 911 then if you were the person who picked up the phone.  *
>
> *John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> *
>
> hc1
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 1:47 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> > AI! AI! AI! Excitation knows no limt!!!

>>>
>>> *Hey Cosmin I have a question for you. Suppose you were in a bad car 
>>> crash in a remote area, you're bleeding profusely and are in great pain but 
>>> fortunately the impact has not damage your cell phone, so do you use that 
>>> marvel of modern technology to: *
>>>
>>> *A) Call 911 and ask them to send somebody who can use science to 
>>> relieve your  pain and save your life.*
>>>
>>> *OR*
>>>
>>> *B) Use it to search local pet stores for a bird that can parrot the 
>>> sounds "**AI! AI! AI! All that exists is consciousness!!!"*
>>>
>>> *So which is it Cosmin, which course of action would demonstrate greater 
>>> intelligence, A or B?*
>>>
>>

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Re: Gemini 2.5 pro is the new king of AI

2025-03-27 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 3:54 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
[email protected]> wrote:

*> Of course I call 911. *


*But why?! The accident didn't exist. Your wounds don't exist. The
ambulance sent by 911 doesn't exist. And modern medical science doesn't
exist. Only consciousness exists. Or at least that's the imbecilic mantra
that you keep endlessly repeating. *

*>Luckily it is answered by people, not by AI that would let me die.*


*If I was in a bad accident I'd much rather have an AI answer when I called
911 then if you were the person who picked up the phone.  *

*John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
*

hc1







> On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 1:47 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > AI! AI! AI! Excitation knows no limt!!!
>>>
>>
>> *Hey Cosmin I have a question for you. Suppose you were in a bad car
>> crash in a remote area, you're bleeding profusely and are in great pain but
>> fortunately the impact has not damage your cell phone, so do you use that
>> marvel of modern technology to: *
>>
>> *A) Call 911 and ask them to send somebody who can use science to relieve
>> your  pain and save your life.*
>>
>> *OR*
>>
>> *B) Use it to search local pet stores for a bird that can parrot the
>> sounds "**AI! AI! AI! All that exists is consciousness!!!"*
>>
>> *So which is it Cosmin, which course of action would demonstrate greater
>> intelligence, A or B?*
>>
>

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Re: Gemini 2.5 pro is the new king of AI

2025-03-26 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 1:47 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
[email protected]> wrote:

> AI! AI! AI! Excitation knows no limt!!!
>

*Hey Cosmin I have a question for you. Suppose you were in a bad car crash
in a remote area, you're bleeding profusely and are in great pain but
fortunately the impact has not damage your cell phone, so do you use that
marvel of modern technology to: *

*A) Call 911 and ask them to send somebody who can use science to relieve
your  pain and save your life.*

*OR*

*B) Use it to search local pet stores for a bird that can parrot the sounds
"**AI! AI! AI! All that exists is consciousness!!!"*

*So which is it Cosmin, which course of action would demonstrate greater
intelligence, A or B?*

*John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
*

wdq




>
> On Wednesday, 26 March 2025 at 18:11:55 UTC+2 John Clark wrote:
>


> *Google released Gemini 2.5 pro just a few hours ago, and it's the
>> smartest AI anybody has ever created, at least so far. It can even solve a
>> 10 x 10 Rubik's cube. And this is the stupidest it will ever be! We
>> certainly live in interesting times. *
>>
>>
>> *I Challenged Gemini 2.5 Pro... and Regret Everything
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>> *Google Gemini 2.5 Pro is insanely good *
>> 
>>
>>

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Re: Gemini 2.5 pro is the new king of AI

2025-03-26 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
AI! AI! AI! Excitation knows no limt!!!

On Wednesday, 26 March 2025 at 18:11:55 UTC+2 John Clark wrote:

> *Google released Gemini 2.5 pro just a few hours ago, and it's the 
> smartest AI anybody has ever created, at least so far. It can even solve a 
> 10 x 10 Rubik's cube. And this is the stupidest it will ever be! We 
> certainly live in interesting times. *
>
>
> *I Challenged Gemini 2.5 Pro... and Regret Everything 
> *
>
>
>
> *Google Gemini 2.5 Pro is insanely good * 
> 
>
> *John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> *
> x[s
>

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Re: Gemini AI tells the user to die

2024-11-19 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
=)

On Sunday, 17 November 2024 at 22:37:00 UTC+2 Brent Meeker wrote:

> Since it seems unrelated to the prompts or the subject, I'm led to wonder 
> whether the prog was hacked.  This would be a good way for foreign 
> adversaries to throw U.S. AI research into litigation and chaos.
>
> Brent
>
>
>
> On 11/17/2024 5:40 AM, John Clark wrote:
>
> *Gemini AI tells the user to die* 
> 
>
> *John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> *
> dhd
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Re: Gemini AI tells the user to die

2024-11-17 Thread Brent Meeker
Since it seems unrelated to the prompts or the subject, I'm led to 
wonder whether the prog was hacked.  This would be a good way for 
foreign adversaries to throw U.S. AI research into litigation and chaos.


Brent


On 11/17/2024 5:40 AM, John Clark wrote:
*Gemini AI tells the user to die* 



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