Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-24 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: Radiation exposure levels for most people were elevated so minutely above background that it may be impossible to tease out carcinogenic effects from other risk factors, such as smoking or diet. Hard to

RE: Global warming silliness

2013-11-23 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 10:32 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Global warming silliness On 11/22/2013 7:03 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: From

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-23 Thread John Clark
: Global warming silliness On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: It is very hard to prove causality for cancer. That is absolutely true. A study on Fukushima was published in the May 20 2011 issue of the journal Science, it said: Radiation

RE: Global warming silliness

2013-11-23 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 10:55 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Global warming silliness On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Chris de Morsella

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-22 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: People who vote for the German Green Party are dimwits, and it ain't ad hominem if it's true. And people who term the Fukushima disaster as a “run of the mill industrial accident” – which you said – are so far

RE: Global warming silliness

2013-11-22 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 12:43 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Global warming silliness On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-22 Thread meekerdb
On 11/22/2013 7:03 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *John Clark *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2013 12:43 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Global warming silliness On Thu, Nov 21

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-21 Thread LizR
I try to stick to names that everyone recognises when I discuss debating tactics, and *ad hom* is the usual description for using insults rather than reasoned arguments (if you want to demonstrate my point further by calling me pompous, don't let me stop you). You can of course use *ad hominem*

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-21 Thread LizR
On 22 November 2013 07:54, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: No you don’t know that at all. You don’t have some crystal ball and are just quoting from studies that have been criticized as very much low

RE: Global warming silliness

2013-11-21 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:15 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Global warming silliness On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:27 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-21 Thread LizR
PS I do agree with you about nuclear power. That wasn't at issue (for me at least). But if you use unfair debating tactics like motive-questioning, you look like you don't have any real arguments. On 22 November 2013 09:27, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 November 2013 07:54, John Clark

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-21 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: No you don’t know that at all. You don’t have some crystal ball and are just quoting from studies that have been criticized as very much low balling the ultimate number of cancer deaths attributable to Chernobyl.

RE: Global warming silliness

2013-11-21 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:54 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Global warming silliness On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-21 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: No you don’t know that at all. You don’t have some crystal ball and are just quoting from studies that have been criticized as very much low balling the ultimate number of cancer deaths attributable to Chernobyl.

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-21 Thread meekerdb
On 11/21/2013 6:21 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: Unlike you, I don't believe there will be a need for it on a massive scale. By the soonest time commercial rated LFTR reactors can be ready the costs per watt and the scale of production for solar PV will have reached levels that would make it

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-21 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:27 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: The WHO is much more trustworthy than the German Green Party, the WHO has no ax to grind but if people don't think a environmental catastrophe is imminent nobody is going to vote for the German Green Party. This response is

RE: Global warming silliness

2013-11-21 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 6:55 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Global warming silliness On 11/21/2013 6:21 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: Unlike you, I don't

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:13 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/19/2013 3:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 8:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 November 2013 22:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM, LizR

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 6:37 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/19/2013 1:09 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:39 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/18/2013 9:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You seem to be arguing against a straw man here. I explained

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Nov 2013, at 20:39, meekerdb wrote: On 11/18/2013 9:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You seem to be arguing against a straw man here. I explained why the free market can't fix the tragedy of the commons. You haven't answered my point. And he's so concerned with anti-government straw

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:39 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/18/2013 9:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You seem to be arguing against a straw man here. I explained why the free market can't fix the tragedy of the commons. You haven't answered my point. And he's so concerned with

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Nov 2013, at 18:13, meekerdb wrote: On 11/18/2013 1:46 AM, LizR wrote: On 18 November 2013 22:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/18 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net On 11/18/2013 4:43 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 11:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/17/2013 4:25 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Nov

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Nov 2013, at 10:27, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Nov 2013, at 18:13, meekerdb wrote: On 11/18/2013 1:46 AM, LizR wrote: On 18 November 2013 22:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 18,

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/19 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/18 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net On 11/18/2013 4:43 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 11:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:13 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/18/2013 1:46 AM, LizR wrote: On 18 November 2013 22:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This is quite simple. Markets ignore the commons,

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 8:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 November 2013 22:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This is quite simple. Markets ignore the commons, hence a free market solution can't - or is

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-19 Thread meekerdb
On 11/19/2013 1:09 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:39 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/18/2013 9:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You seem to be arguing against a straw man here. I explained why the free market can't fix the tragedy of the commons. You haven't

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-19 Thread meekerdb
On 11/19/2013 1:27 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: I agree with Brent. Government can be the best thing a democracy can have, ... until bandits get power and perverts the elections and the state power separations (and get important control on the media, etc.). But how to create a system that prevents

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-19 Thread meekerdb
On 11/19/2013 2:58 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:13 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/18/2013 1:46 AM, LizR wrote: On 18 November 2013 22:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This is

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-19 Thread Richard Ruquist
Reaganomics is hardly neo-liberalism On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/19/2013 2:58 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:13 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/18/2013 1:46 AM, LizR wrote: On 18 November 2013 22:41, Telmo

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-19 Thread meekerdb
On 11/19/2013 3:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 8:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 November 2013 22:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This is quite simple. Markets ignore the commons,

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/19 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/18 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net On 11/18/2013 4:43 AM, Telmo Menezes

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/20 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/19 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/18 meekerdb

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 19 Nov 2013, at 10:27, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Nov 2013, at 18:13, meekerdb wrote: On 11/18/2013 1:46 AM, LizR wrote: On 18 November

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/20 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/19 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:18

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This is quite simple. Markets ignore the commons, hence a free market solution can't - or is highly unlikely - to work. Yes, but this is circular. You're saying that the market cannot work for things that you do not allow to be part

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread LizR
On 18 November 2013 22:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This is quite simple. Markets ignore the commons, hence a free market solution can't - or is highly unlikely - to work. Yes, but this is circular. You're

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:46 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 November 2013 22:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This is quite simple. Markets ignore the commons, hence a free market solution can't - or is

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 11:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/17/2013 4:25 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:41 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/16/2013 11:36 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: But I certainly take your point that there is a reason the

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread meekerdb
On 11/18/2013 1:46 AM, LizR wrote: On 18 November 2013 22:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This is quite simple. Markets ignore the commons, hence

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread meekerdb
On 11/18/2013 4:31 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: In fact, in the 90s Microsoft wasn't too happy with how the web was suddenly exploding and out of their control. Using their monopolistic position, they created a browser and gave it away for free, then stalled its development. This created a tragedy

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Nov 2013, at 18:13, meekerdb wrote: On 11/18/2013 1:46 AM, LizR wrote: On 18 November 2013 22:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This is quite simple. Markets ignore the commons, hence a free market

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread meekerdb
On 11/18/2013 4:31 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: If I tried to buy some land and start an independent city, stormtroopers would show up at some point. Even if I'm not harming anyone. Even if I'm totally self-reliant. Depends on what you mean by independent city. If you just mean a place with homes

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread meekerdb
On 11/18/2013 4:43 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 11:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/17/2013 4:25 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:41 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/16/2013 11:36 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: But I certainly

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/18 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net On 11/18/2013 4:43 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 11:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/17/2013 4:25 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:41 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/16/2013

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread meekerdb
On 11/18/2013 9:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You seem to be arguing against a straw man here. I explained why the free market can't fix the tragedy of the commons. You haven't answered my point. And he's so concerned with anti-government straw men that he hasn't noticed that a market requires

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread LizR
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Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread LizR
On 18 November 2013 22:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This is quite simple. Markets ignore the commons, hence a free market solution can't - or is highly unlikely - to work. Yes, but this is circular. You're

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-17 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:41 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/16/2013 11:36 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: But I certainly take your point that there is a reason the government is not trusted. However, it is not the government that is warning us about global warming. It is in the

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-17 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Global temperatures fell from 1950 to 1980 while CO2 atm content was rising. Can you explain that? I can't explain that, nor do I understand why in the late Ordovician period 450 million years ago there was a huge 4400 ppm of CO2

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-17 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: wait to see what happens to the cancer rates over the next fifty years. I don't now about Fukushima but I do know that the predictions of huge increases of cancer from Chernobyl have proved to be enormous

RE: Global warming silliness

2013-11-17 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:00 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Global warming silliness On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-17 Thread meekerdb
On 11/16/2013 2:37 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2013/11/14 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com Hi Alberto, On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com mailto:agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. I proposed

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-17 Thread meekerdb
On 11/17/2013 4:25 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:41 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/16/2013 11:36 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: But I certainly take your point that there is a reason the government is not trusted. However, it is not the government that is

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-17 Thread LizR
This is quite simple. Markets ignore the commons, hence a free market solution can't - or is highly unlikely - to work. No one is going to clean up the commons, just as they didn't in medieval villages, because there is no incentive for an individual, or a specific group, to do so. The tragedy of

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-16 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/11/14 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com Hi Alberto, On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. I proposed myself not to argue against sectarian apocalypticists because that is a waste of time, Mentioning apocalyptic narratives is an

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-16 Thread spudboy100
@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:03 pm Subject: RE: Global warming silliness From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 5:14 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Global

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 6:46 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/14/2013 3:30 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:19 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Good one, Chris. But you can tell from the posts here that what drives the Deniers is fear of government.

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-16 Thread LizR
On 17 November 2013 08:36, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: No, I am concerned that the global warming scare can be exploited to convince the people to relinquish more of its freedoms to the government. You mean the people still have some freedoms to relinquish? The government

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 9:12 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 November 2013 08:36, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: No, I am concerned that the global warming scare can be exploited to convince the people to relinquish more of its freedoms to the government. You mean the

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-16 Thread meekerdb
On 11/16/2013 11:36 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: But I certainly take your point that there is a reason the government is not trusted. However, it is not the government that is warning us about global warming. It is in the scientific research literature. You didn't find lies about drones or drugs

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Nov 2013, at 18:48, meekerdb wrote: On 11/14/2013 3:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The use of science by government of science is of the type of pseudo-religion abuse. ?? Does not parse. Sorry. Read instead: The use of science by governments is of the type of pseudo-religion abuse.

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
There is a model of the earth nucleus. It is very good. Why? Because it behaves like the real nucleus. It invert polarity every 14000 years I believe, dont want to fire up the wikipedia to get the real digits. That is why it is a good model. Just like climate models parameter values have

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread LizR
So the measurements showing rising global temperatures and the noticeable effects this is having, and the measured rise in CO2 since the industrial revolution are irrelevant because the models aren't yet 100% accurate? So let's sit on our hands and do nothing, just in case we make a better world

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/11/15 LizR lizj...@gmail.com So the measurements showing rising global temperatures and the noticeable effects this is having, and the measured rise in CO2 since the industrial revolution are irrelevant because the models aren't yet 100% accurate? The models are 0% accurate. The other

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Russell, On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:58 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:09:18PM +0100, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: The good news is that the figures I've seen is that its

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread spudboy100
-but this will only takes us so far. Think terawatts, not negawatts, and what tech we are going to use to replace the dirty? Faster please. -Original Message- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:23 pm Subject: Re: Global

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread spudboy100
- From: Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Nov 14, 2013 9:05 pm Subject: RE: Global warming silliness From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Thursday

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
The fantastic amount of subsidies to the solar energy (That not even Germany will have enough budget to pay them) not only have destroyed the familiar and industrial economy with such incredible amount of taxes. They also *have stopped further solar cell research* in the countries where these

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I mean, the subsidies are for solar energy production. 2013/11/15 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com The fantastic amount of subsidies to the solar energy (That not even Germany will have enough budget to pay them) not only have destroyed the familiar and industrial economy with such

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread meekerdb
On 11/15/2013 2:11 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: There is a model of the earth nucleus. It is very good. Why? Because it behaves like the real nucleus. It invert polarity every 14000 years I believe, dont want to fire up the wikipedia to get the real digits. That is

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I rephrase my affirmation as a question, so that even a kid can understand it: The models of the earth nucleus predict an inversion of polatity every 14000 years, just what happens in the real Eart nucleus. What fact of the earth climate the climate models are capable to predict? 2013/11/15

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:19 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: And for nukes? I would say: O N L Y fusion! The 'old fashion' fission nuke may be even more danerous than fossil pollution. Lets look at the disasters associated with various energy producing projects: In 1975 the

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread meekerdb
On 11/15/2013 5:29 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: The fantastic amount of subsidies to the solar energy (That not even Germany will have enough budget to pay them) not only have destroyed the familiar and industrial economy with such incredible amount of taxes. Germany's Industrial Economy

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Germany was forced to reduce the subsidies retroactively, that means breaking the contracts with already installed power plants. Like spain and other countries. Even, so the taxes over electricity consumption would provoke a revolution in USA. 2013/11/15 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net On

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread LizR
Solar irradiance on the Earth is approximately 1.74×1017 Watts. On 16 November 2013 02:13, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: To perform a fix on the climate, and I am giving the IPCC supporters the benefit of the doubt, we must have abundant clean sources at the ready. We need terawatts of clean,

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread LizR
On 16 November 2013 07:18, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: There's nothing apocalyptic about global warming. Human will survive as a species. At least so long as it doesn't trigger a nuclear war. But there will be a lot death and suffering. I agree. The question is whether our

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread LizR
On 16 November 2013 07:34, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: I rephrase my affirmation as a question, so that even a kid can understand it: The models of the earth nucleus predict an inversion of polatity every 14000 years, just what happens in the real Eart nucleus. What fact

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread LizR
On 16 November 2013 08:20, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/15/2013 5:29 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: The fantastic amount of subsidies to the solar energy (That not even Germany will have enough budget to pay them) not only have destroyed the familiar and industrial economy with

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread Richard Ruquist
LizR 3:23 PM (29 minutes ago) to everything-list On 16 November 2013 07:34, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: I rephrase my affirmation as a question, so that even a kid can understand it: The models of the earth nucleus predict an inversion of polatity every 14000 years, just

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread meekerdb
On 11/15/2013 11:06 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:19 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com mailto:jami...@gmail.com wrote: And for nukes? I would say: O N L Y fusion! The 'old fashion' fission nuke may be even more danerous than fossil pollution. Lets look at

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:09 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: in the past, when the earth was much warmer, sea level was several meters higher. The sea was hundreds of meters higher in the past and will be so again someday, but at a rate of one inch a decade we'll have plenty of time

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread LizR
[image: Inline images 1] On 16 November 2013 09:54, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Liz, Global temperatures fell from 1950 to 1980 while CO2 atm content was rising. Can you explain that? Richard Why should I? This is a complex system with an uncontrolled experiment running in it.

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread LizR
On 16 November 2013 10:07, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: Straw man my ass, environmentalists never met a energy source they didn't hate. Wind farms are ugly, disrupt wind patterns are noisy and kill birdies. Geothermal smells bad and causes earthquakes. Hydroelectric floods the land

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 10:18:17AM +1300, LizR wrote: [image: Inline images 1] On 16 November 2013 09:54, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Liz, Global temperatures fell from 1950 to 1980 while CO2 atm content was rising. Can you explain that? Richard PS on the subject of

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread LizR
On 16 November 2013 10:48, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: This is due to the presence of aerosols. Ironically, cleaning up our pollution has caused the planet to warm faster. Yes I thought it would be something like that. I recently heard there had been a (slight) drop in

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread LizR
On 16 November 2013 10:44, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: That is not a predicion that test the validity of a model. I can do the same with a program with then lines by adjusting three parameters. A real model would reproduce the evolution of ancient climates transitions, for

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
My own models and the one of star trekkers, Star warriors and in general Sci-Fi aficionados indicates that the most probable catastrophe is an alien invasion in the next 100 years. We have only one planet to live. So I will consider you a bunch of retarded deniers and brainless morons if you do

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread LizR
On 16 November 2013 11:13, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: My own models and the one of star trekkers, Star warriors and in general Sci-Fi aficionados indicates that the most probable catastrophe is an alien invasion in the next 100 years. We have only one planet to live. So I

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
As i said before, it si worthless to talk with sectarian apocalipticists. Your ideological ancestors were the worst people of the modern times. It is no surprise that you lack the tiniest sense of humor. You are a true danger. 2013/11/15 LizR lizj...@gmail.com On 16 November 2013 11:13,

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread meekerdb
On 11/15/2013 2:38 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: As i said before, it si worthless to talk with sectarian apocalipticists. Your ideological ancestors were the worst people of the modern times. It is no surprise that you lack the tiniest sense of humor. You are a true danger. Alberto is

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
You have shown what you are and what you represent. I have nothing more to say. You are your worst enemy. I suspect that we have touched not only the beliefs, but the business of some people here that live from big gobernment politics and ecoalarmist demagogy. 2013/11/15 meekerdb

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread LizR
On 16 November 2013 11:38, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: As i said before, it si worthless to talk with sectarian apocalipticists. Your ideological ancestors were the worst people of the modern times. It is no surprise that you lack the tiniest sense of humor. You are a true

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread LizR
On 16 November 2013 11:57, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: You have shown what you are and what you represent. I have nothing more to say. You are your worst enemy. I suspect that we have touched not only the beliefs, but the business of some people here that live from big

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread meekerdb
On 11/15/2013 3:16 PM, LizR wrote: On 16 November 2013 11:57, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com mailto:agocor...@gmail.com wrote: You have shown what you are and what you represent. I have nothing more to say. You are your worst enemy. I suspect that we have touched not only

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread LizR
On 16 November 2013 12:35, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/15/2013 3:16 PM, LizR wrote: So far, my climate denier models are spot on. How many times does you model predict Alberto will post that he's not going to say anymore? Just curious. :-) -- You received this message

RE: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
AM To: everything-list Subject: Re: Global warming silliness 2013/11/15 LizR lizj...@gmail.com So the measurements showing rising global temperatures and the noticeable effects this is having, and the measured rise in CO2 since the industrial revolution are irrelevant because the models

RE: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 5:14 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Global warming silliness To perform a fix on the climate, and I am giving the IPCC

RE: Global warming silliness

2013-11-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alberto G. Corona Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 5:30 AM To: everything-list Subject: Re: Global warming silliness The fantastic amount of subsidies to the solar energy (That not even Germany

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