Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 25 Jun 2013, at 16:04, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 25 Jun 2013, at 12:27, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: I don't believe 9-11 was anything but a Jihadist conspiracy, not a Bush conspiracy. Bush was an enormously flawed elitist, who slightly rose above his station as prez. He really didn't benefit by 9-11, The goal was the patriot act and NDAA-like policy, I am afraid. I did not believe in conspiracy, because I thought the patriot act was temporary, but the NDAA makes it indefinite making the war on terror looking like the war on drug. You might be right, but as I said, the NDAA is even more scandalous than the drug policy, which is already a proof of conspiracy/special interests. The NSA is non sense too. And the lack of transparency on 9/11 can only add suspicion. It begins to look clear to me that the drug wrong-doers are only protecting themselves. That both Saddam and Bin Laden were not captured alive is also quite astonishing. It has become hard for me to separate the prohibition scandal from the 9/11 unanswered questions. Since Nixon, the US democracy, and many others, seems to be completely perverted. There are many things which do not fit. Obama is Bush^Bush. I have stopped to believe in any difference between republicans and democrats. They both continue to defend the exact same special interests. Bruno It's amazing how complex the hype around this makes everything seem, masking quite simple things: Humans have always used war as a means to consolidate power and accelerate/stimulate economic growth. In absence of a real foes and forced to drop racism, humans turn to invent foes like terror, drugs, sexual orientation, lifestyles, political tendencies, privacy through cryptography... anything that will enable some reductionist marking of a minority as witch. Then print money without remorse because we're saving the world from itself. Yes, governments will make it hurt but the trivial fact of the matter remains: people are more likely to die in mundane, banal circumstances like cars/infections than via terror etc. Dying because people lies purposefully on medication is a form of death by terrorism. The 80.000 people who dies in mexico due to prohibition died also from a sort of planned terror. Governments does not make it hurts, unless they are criminals. I meant terror in the currently distorted, media-manipulated sense. The term terror gets thrown around so often, it's important to clarify what one means. But sure, in a stricter sense of terror meaning incitement of fear to politically intimidate and force people, who is more of a terrorist: 1) The few fanatics and attacks that succeed in terrorizing unfortunate victims, including their families? 2) Hegemonic interests using such acts to incite fear and intimidate the rest of the world into increasing consolidation of its influence via complex laws, trade agreements etc? Even a non negligible number of people who die by car accident, are indirect victims of the laws tolerating a drug which *is* very dangerous for car driven, and lying on others. Even the amount of CO_2 go up due to the special interest in oil, as Henri Ford warned us right at the start. But the worst, is that above some level of corruption, all criminals get support, and are no more denounced in the press, it is the whole general quality of everyone which pays the price. We can't even imagine any politics, in the original sense of the term, making sense in such context. Secrecy, privilege are difficult poisons, setting both stages for the best and worst of people (huge technological leaps, organized violence + war). Once somebody becomes aware of the histories and dynamics that have led them to some privileges, influence, and their secrets, legitimacy seems so convincing (being winner regarding something), that it is like asking some monkey to not grab a banana they are hungry for. The most addictive drug is harmless in comparison. Whatever Snowden's motives, he has his eye on the ball that matters when he says: We managed to survive greater threats in our history ... than a few disorganized terrorist groups and rogue states without resorting to these sorts of programs. It is not that I do not value intelligence, but that I oppose ... omniscient, automatic, mass surveillance That seems to me a greater threat to the institutions of free society than missed intelligence reports, and unworthy of the costs. Exactly. I find the NDAA quite more frightening than terrorism. NDAA is planned state terrorism. I know that the supreme court try to resist it, but it looks like 2013 has passed, and that it remains fuzzy in the important
Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: John, PGC, On 21 Jun 2013, at 02:24, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Let me interject in *-*marked *BOLD ITALICS* lines into the texts of the posts below John M On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Jun 2013, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote: There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption. On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephone and read your email. But it would have been illegal for him to do so. People are always able to do illegal things. The question is what preventive measures should be taken. Snowden was an IT tech who was just supposed to keep the system running, so of course he had the ability to tap data flows. But there should have been some administrative oversight to keep him from doing that beyond what was necessary for his work (and maybe there was). The question is should it be legal for the government to collect this data. The Supreme Court has said it's Constitutional and polls say it's favor 62% to 34% by the public, so... *- The overall collection of DATA is a hoax: only the addresses are collected without court order. * That's already not acceptable. *The Hoopla is only political. The majority in the poll voted for security: to eliminate potential violent acts by 'enemies'. * NDAA + FBI makes many enemies. According to the FBI, to write a mail in favor of the constitution makes you a suspect of terrorism. I have mocked the conspiracy 9/11 theory, despite the building 7, but I have mocked also those who announce the NDAA. After Obama signed it, I am just much less sure and more vigilant. *The Copnstitution is a 300yo thinking in medieval terms, usable for human principles, not the FACTS in our 21st c. life. I am a sharp critique of the government(s), in this case they work in our behalf.* The problems is when the facts don't make sense. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/20/nsa-surveillance-fisa-court/2442899/ The Guardian article + documents referred to in both links: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-without-warrant PGC Thanks guitar boy, This interview on the subject is quite interesting: http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/06/19/podcast-show-112-nsa-whistleblower-goes-on-record-reveals-new-information-names-culprits/ Jason The US government is doing the dictator trick (NDAA 12, NDAA 13). Those are not just non-constitutional they are anti-constitutional. The human rights applies to all humans, or they lost their meaning. The private life has to be respected for all humans. It seems clear to me that prohibition has succeeded in putting bandits into power, which makes legal or illegal things only for special interest. Health should be separated from the state, like religion. Free competition has to be allowed among all art of helping others, and nobody can pretend for you what is good to you. *- Except if YOU require the community to PAY for the curing of YOUR sicknesses (maybe caused by YOUR own negligence) e.g. emphysema etc. by smoking. * I personally disagree with this. But it is out of topic. Some people do money on fears and catastrophes. The war on drug is a golden mine for bandits and terrorists. After the NDAA 12 I am afraid that the war on terror begins to look to me suspiciously like the war on drug. The notion legal/illegal must be relativized when the evidences add that the government don't play with the rules. *- There is no WAR ON TERROR - nor ON DRUGS. There are 'efforts' and 'lies'. Against CERTAIN aspects. * The term war on drug has been introduced by Nixon, and exploited by Reagan, and there is a war on drugs, like there are many people sent in jail for non violent crime related to possession of marijuana. There is a War on terror, since Bush junior. Since the start, the marijuana problem is a construct. the proof of a danger have all been debunked, each time. But today we know that real dangerous drug, when prohibited, become much more dangerous, as they will be sold by criminals who will target the kids and the sick people. *Others are accepted as 'money making' endeavours. The governments play by their own rules, not with rules of anybody else. Governments ar exploitative ensembles. * When a governments lies systematically on a subject, it means they defend special interests, and
Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.
On 25 Jun 2013, at 08:14, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: John, PGC, On 21 Jun 2013, at 02:24, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Let me interject in -marked BOLD ITALICS lines into the texts of the posts below John M On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Jun 2013, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote: There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption. On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephone and read your email. But it would have been illegal for him to do so. People are always able to do illegal things. The question is what preventive measures should be taken. Snowden was an IT tech who was just supposed to keep the system running, so of course he had the ability to tap data flows. But there should have been some administrative oversight to keep him from doing that beyond what was necessary for his work (and maybe there was). The question is should it be legal for the government to collect this data. The Supreme Court has said it's Constitutional and polls say it's favor 62% to 34% by the public, so... - The overall collection of DATA is a hoax: only the addresses are collected without court order. That's already not acceptable. The Hoopla is only political. The majority in the poll voted for security: to eliminate potential violent acts by 'enemies'. NDAA + FBI makes many enemies. According to the FBI, to write a mail in favor of the constitution makes you a suspect of terrorism. I have mocked the conspiracy 9/11 theory, despite the building 7, but I have mocked also those who announce the NDAA. After Obama signed it, I am just much less sure and more vigilant. The Copnstitution is a 300yo thinking in medieval terms, usable for human principles, not the FACTS in our 21st c. life. I am a sharp critique of the government(s), in this case they work in our behalf. The problems is when the facts don't make sense. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/20/nsa-surveillance-fisa-court/2442899/ The Guardian article + documents referred to in both links: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-without-warrant PGC Thanks guitar boy, This interview on the subject is quite interesting: http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/06/19/podcast-show-112-nsa-whistleblower-goes-on-record-reveals-new-information-names-culprits/ It is very grave. The bandits get involve into a dark vicious circle. They know that we know, and so develop paranoid tricks aggravating their case, and their paranoïa, etc. All this is done to defend the top of a pyramidal corrupted (and international) clan, but they take into hostage a large part of the middle class and what subsist of democracy. They got power thanks to alcohol and then marijuana prohibition, but it is also their fatal error, because the lies become obvious. Now, to survive they have to control the net, but that is just impossible. They are doomed, but they will hurt a lot in the meantime. Bruno Jason The US government is doing the dictator trick (NDAA 12, NDAA 13). Those are not just non-constitutional they are anti-constitutional. The human rights applies to all humans, or they lost their meaning. The private life has to be respected for all humans. It seems clear to me that prohibition has succeeded in putting bandits into power, which makes legal or illegal things only for special interest. Health should be separated from the state, like religion. Free competition has to be allowed among all art of helping others, and nobody can pretend for you what is good to you. - Except if YOU require the community to PAY for the curing of YOUR sicknesses (maybe caused by YOUR own negligence) e.g. emphysema etc. by smoking. I personally disagree with this. But it is out of topic. Some people do money on fears and catastrophes. The war on drug is a golden mine for bandits and terrorists. After the NDAA 12 I am afraid that the war on terror begins to look to me suspiciously like the war on drug. The notion legal/illegal must be relativized when the evidences add that the government don't play with the rules. - There is no WAR ON TERROR - nor ON DRUGS. There are 'efforts' and 'lies'. Against CERTAIN aspects. The term war on drug has been introduced by Nixon, and exploited by Reagan, and there is a war on drugs, like
Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.
I don't believe 9-11 was anything but a Jihadist conspiracy, not a Bush conspiracy. Bush was an enormously flawed elitist, who slightly rose above his station as prez. He really didn't benefit by 9-11, and he didn't pursue Bin Laden into Pakistan, in Dec 2001. Both Clinton and Bush were asleep at the wheel, Clinton because of ideology, Bush because he was, and is, naieve. Looking back to the OW organized protests of 2011 (now that OW is listed as a targeted group) I view the conflict between the police and OW, as an intra-family spat. One between unionized police who voted for BHO in 2008 and OW which also voted for BHO in 2008. I am sure they both, by in large, voted the same way in 2012. It was an intra family conflict, and the Democratic party is quite used to this. Any more ideas on pc security? What about virtual desktops? -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:51 am Subject: Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. On 25 Jun 2013, at 08:14, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: John, PGC, On 21 Jun 2013, at 02:24, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Let me interject in -marked BOLD ITALICS lines into the texts of the posts below John M On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Jun 2013, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote: There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption. On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephone and read your email. But it would have been illegal for him to do so. People are always able to do illegal things. The question is what preventive measures should be taken. Snowden was an IT tech who was just supposed to keep the system running, so of course he had the ability to tap data flows. But there should have been some administrative oversight to keep him from doing that beyond what was necessary for his work (and maybe there was). The question is should it be legal for the government to collect this data. The Supreme Court has said it's Constitutional and polls say it's favor 62% to 34% by the public, so... - The overall collection of DATA is a hoax: only the addresses are collected without court order. That's already not acceptable. The Hoopla is only political. The majority in the poll voted for security: to eliminate potential violent acts by 'enemies'. NDAA + FBI makes many enemies. According to the FBI, to write a mail in favor of the constitution makes you a suspect of terrorism. I have mocked the conspiracy 9/11 theory, despite the building 7, but I have mocked also those who announce the NDAA. After Obama signed it, I am just much less sure and more vigilant. The Copnstitution is a 300yo thinking in medieval terms, usable for human principles, not the FACTS in our 21st c. life. I am a sharp critique of the government(s), in this case they work in our behalf. The problems is when the facts don't make sense. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/20/nsa-surveillance-fisa-court/2442899/ The Guardian article + documents referred to in both links: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-without-warrant PGC Thanks guitar boy, This interview on the subject is quite interesting: http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/06/19/podcast-show-112-nsa-whistleblower-goes-on-record-reveals-new-information-names-culprits/ It is very grave. The bandits get involve into a dark vicious circle. They know that we know, and so develop paranoid tricks aggravating their case, and their paranoïa, etc. All this is done to defend the top of a pyramidal corrupted (and international) clan, but they take into hostage a large part of the middle class and what subsist of democracy. They got power thanks to alcohol and then marijuana prohibition, but it is also their fatal error, because the lies become obvious. Now, to survive they have to control the net, but that is just impossible. They are doomed, but they will hurt a lot in the meantime. Bruno Jason The US government is doing the dictator trick (NDAA 12, NDAA 13). Those are not just non-constitutional they are anti-constitutional. The human rights applies to all humans, or they lost their meaning.
Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:27 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: I don't believe 9-11 was anything but a Jihadist conspiracy, not a Bush conspiracy. Bush was an enormously flawed elitist, who slightly rose above his station as prez. He really didn't benefit by 9-11, and he didn't pursue Bin Laden into Pakistan, in Dec 2001. Both Clinton and Bush were asleep at the wheel, Clinton because of ideology, Bush because he was, and is, naieve. Looking back to the OW organized protests of 2011 (now that OW is listed as a targeted group) I view the conflict between the police and OW, as an intra-family spat. One between unionized police who voted for BHO in 2008 and OW which also voted for BHO in 2008. I am sure they both, by in large, voted the same way in 2012. It was an intra family conflict, and the Democratic party is quite used to this. Any more ideas on pc security? What about virtual desktops? You're wasting your time. Securing your computer is pointless when the network is compromised. -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:51 am Subject: Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. On 25 Jun 2013, at 08:14, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: John, PGC, On 21 Jun 2013, at 02:24, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Let me interject in -marked BOLD ITALICS lines into the texts of the posts below John M On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Jun 2013, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote: There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption. On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephone and read your email. But it would have been illegal for him to do so. People are always able to do illegal things. The question is what preventive measures should be taken. Snowden was an IT tech who was just supposed to keep the system running, so of course he had the ability to tap data flows. But there should have been some administrative oversight to keep him from doing that beyond what was necessary for his work (and maybe there was). The question is should it be legal for the government to collect this data. The Supreme Court has said it's Constitutional and polls say it's favor 62% to 34% by the public, so... - The overall collection of DATA is a hoax: only the addresses are collected without court order. That's already not acceptable. The Hoopla is only political. The majority in the poll voted for security: to eliminate potential violent acts by 'enemies'. NDAA + FBI makes many enemies. According to the FBI, to write a mail in favor of the constitution makes you a suspect of terrorism. I have mocked the conspiracy 9/11 theory, despite the building 7, but I have mocked also those who announce the NDAA. After Obama signed it, I am just much less sure and more vigilant. The Copnstitution is a 300yo thinking in medieval terms, usable for human principles, not the FACTS in our 21st c. life. I am a sharp critique of the government(s), in this case they work in our behalf. The problems is when the facts don't make sense. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/20/nsa-surveillance-fisa-court/2442899/ The Guardian article + documents referred to in both links: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-without-warrant PGC Thanks guitar boy, This interview on the subject is quite interesting: http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/06/19/podcast-show-112-nsa-whistleblower-goes-on-record-reveals-new-information-names-culprits/ It is very grave. The bandits get involve into a dark vicious circle. They know that we know, and so develop paranoid tricks aggravating their case, and their paranoïa, etc. All this is done to defend the top of a pyramidal corrupted (and international) clan, but they take into hostage a large part of the middle class and what subsist of democracy. They got power thanks to alcohol and then marijuana prohibition, but it is also their fatal error, because the lies become obvious. Now, to survive they have to control the net, but that is just impossible. They are doomed, but they will hurt a lot in the meantime. Bruno Jason The US government is doing the dictator trick (NDAA 12, NDAA 13). Those are not just non-constitutional they are
Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.
On 25 Jun 2013, at 12:27, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: I don't believe 9-11 was anything but a Jihadist conspiracy, not a Bush conspiracy. Bush was an enormously flawed elitist, who slightly rose above his station as prez. He really didn't benefit by 9-11, The goal was the patriot act and NDAA-like policy, I am afraid. I did not believe in conspiracy, because I thought the patriot act was temporary, but the NDAA makes it indefinite making the war on terror looking like the war on drug. You might be right, but as I said, the NDAA is even more scandalous than the drug policy, which is already a proof of conspiracy/special interests. The NSA is non sense too. And the lack of transparency on 9/11 can only add suspicion. It begins to look clear to me that the drug wrong-doers are only protecting themselves. That both Saddam and Bin Laden were not captured alive is also quite astonishing. It has become hard for me to separate the prohibition scandal from the 9/11 unanswered questions. Since Nixon, the US democracy, and many others, seems to be completely perverted. There are many things which do not fit. Obama is Bush^Bush. I have stopped to believe in any difference between republicans and democrats. They both continue to defend the exact same special interests. Bruno and he didn't pursue Bin Laden into Pakistan, in Dec 2001. Both Clinton and Bush were asleep at the wheel, Clinton because of ideology, Bush because he was, and is, naieve. Looking back to the OW organized protests of 2011 (now that OW is listed as a targeted group) I view the conflict between the police and OW, as an intra-family spat. One between unionized police who voted for BHO in 2008 and OW which also voted for BHO in 2008. I am sure they both, by in large, voted the same way in 2012. It was an intra family conflict, and the Democratic party is quite used to this. Any more ideas on pc security? What about virtual desktops? -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:51 am Subject: Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. On 25 Jun 2013, at 08:14, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: John, PGC, On 21 Jun 2013, at 02:24, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Let me interject in -marked BOLD ITALICS lines into the texts of the posts below John M On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Jun 2013, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote: There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption. On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephone and read your email. But it would have been illegal for him to do so. People are always able to do illegal things. The question is what preventive measures should be taken. Snowden was an IT tech who was just supposed to keep the system running, so of course he had the ability to tap data flows. But there should have been some administrative oversight to keep him from doing that beyond what was necessary for his work (and maybe there was). The question is should it be legal for the government to collect this data. The Supreme Court has said it's Constitutional and polls say it's favor 62% to 34% by the public, so... - The overall collection of DATA is a hoax: only the addresses are collected without court order. That's already not acceptable. The Hoopla is only political. The majority in the poll voted for security: to eliminate potential violent acts by 'enemies'. NDAA + FBI makes many enemies. According to the FBI, to write a mail in favor of the constitution makes you a suspect of terrorism. I have mocked the conspiracy 9/11 theory, despite the building 7, but I have mocked also those who announce the NDAA. After Obama signed it, I am just much less sure and more vigilant. The Copnstitution is a 300yo thinking in medieval terms, usable for human principles, not the FACTS in our 21st c. life. I am a sharp critique of the government(s), in this case they work in our behalf. The problems is when the facts don't make sense. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/20/nsa-surveillance-fisa-court/2442899/ The Guardian article + documents referred to in both links: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-without-warrant PGC Thanks guitar
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On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 25 Jun 2013, at 12:27, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: I don't believe 9-11 was anything but a Jihadist conspiracy, not a Bush conspiracy. Bush was an enormously flawed elitist, who slightly rose above his station as prez. He really didn't benefit by 9-11, The goal was the patriot act and NDAA-like policy, I am afraid. I did not believe in conspiracy, because I thought the patriot act was temporary, but the NDAA makes it indefinite making the war on terror looking like the war on drug. You might be right, but as I said, the NDAA is even more scandalous than the drug policy, which is already a proof of conspiracy/special interests. The NSA is non sense too. And the lack of transparency on 9/11 can only add suspicion. It begins to look clear to me that the drug wrong-doers are only protecting themselves. That both Saddam and Bin Laden were not captured alive is also quite astonishing. It has become hard for me to separate the prohibition scandal from the 9/11 unanswered questions. Since Nixon, the US democracy, and many others, seems to be completely perverted. There are many things which do not fit. Obama is Bush^Bush. I have stopped to believe in any difference between republicans and democrats. They both continue to defend the exact same special interests. Bruno It's amazing how complex the hype around this makes everything seem, masking quite simple things: Humans have always used war as a means to consolidate power and accelerate/stimulate economic growth. In absence of a real foes and forced to drop racism, humans turn to invent foes like terror, drugs, sexual orientation, lifestyles, political tendencies, privacy through cryptography... anything that will enable some reductionist marking of a minority as witch. Then print money without remorse because we're saving the world from itself. Yes, governments will make it hurt but the trivial fact of the matter remains: people are more likely to die in mundane, banal circumstances like cars/infections than via terror etc. Whatever Snowden's motives, he has his eye on the ball that matters when he says: *We managed to survive greater threats in our history ... than a few disorganized terrorist groups and rogue states without resorting to these sorts of programs. It is not that I do not value intelligence, but that I oppose ... omniscient, automatic, mass surveillance That seems to me a greater threat to the institutions of free society than missed intelligence reports, and unworthy of the costs.* PGC and he didn't pursue Bin Laden into Pakistan, in Dec 2001. Both Clinton and Bush were asleep at the wheel, Clinton because of ideology, Bush because he was, and is, naieve. Looking back to the OW organized protests of 2011 (now that OW is listed as a targeted group) I view the conflict between the police and OW, as an intra-family spat. One between unionized police who voted for BHO in 2008 and OW which also voted for BHO in 2008. I am sure they both, by in large, voted the same way in 2012. It was an intra family conflict, and the Democratic party is quite used to this. Any more ideas on pc security? What about virtual desktops? -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:51 am Subject: Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. On 25 Jun 2013, at 08:14, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: John, PGC, On 21 Jun 2013, at 02:24, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Let me interject in *-*marked *BOLD ITALICS* lines into the texts of the posts below John M On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.bewrote: On 12 Jun 2013, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote: There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption. On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephone and read your email. But it would have been illegal for him to do so. People are always able to do illegal things. The question is what preventive measures should be taken. Snowden was an IT tech who was just supposed to keep the system running, so of course he had the ability to tap data flows. But there should have been some administrative oversight to keep him from doing that beyond what was necessary for his work (and maybe there was). The question is
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On 25 Jun 2013, at 16:04, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 25 Jun 2013, at 12:27, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: I don't believe 9-11 was anything but a Jihadist conspiracy, not a Bush conspiracy. Bush was an enormously flawed elitist, who slightly rose above his station as prez. He really didn't benefit by 9-11, The goal was the patriot act and NDAA-like policy, I am afraid. I did not believe in conspiracy, because I thought the patriot act was temporary, but the NDAA makes it indefinite making the war on terror looking like the war on drug. You might be right, but as I said, the NDAA is even more scandalous than the drug policy, which is already a proof of conspiracy/ special interests. The NSA is non sense too. And the lack of transparency on 9/11 can only add suspicion. It begins to look clear to me that the drug wrong-doers are only protecting themselves. That both Saddam and Bin Laden were not captured alive is also quite astonishing. It has become hard for me to separate the prohibition scandal from the 9/11 unanswered questions. Since Nixon, the US democracy, and many others, seems to be completely perverted. There are many things which do not fit. Obama is Bush^Bush. I have stopped to believe in any difference between republicans and democrats. They both continue to defend the exact same special interests. Bruno It's amazing how complex the hype around this makes everything seem, masking quite simple things: Humans have always used war as a means to consolidate power and accelerate/stimulate economic growth. In absence of a real foes and forced to drop racism, humans turn to invent foes like terror, drugs, sexual orientation, lifestyles, political tendencies, privacy through cryptography... anything that will enable some reductionist marking of a minority as witch. Then print money without remorse because we're saving the world from itself. Yes, governments will make it hurt but the trivial fact of the matter remains: people are more likely to die in mundane, banal circumstances like cars/infections than via terror etc. Dying because people lies purposefully on medication is a form of death by terrorism. The 80.000 people who dies in mexico due to prohibition died also from a sort of planned terror. Governments does not make it hurts, unless they are criminals. Even a non negligible number of people who die by car accident, are indirect victims of the laws tolerating a drug which *is* very dangerous for car driven, and lying on others. Even the amount of CO_2 go up due to the special interest in oil, as Henri Ford warned us right at the start. But the worst, is that above some level of corruption, all criminals get support, and are no more denounced in the press, it is the whole general quality of everyone which pays the price. We can't even imagine any politics, in the original sense of the term, making sense in such context. Whatever Snowden's motives, he has his eye on the ball that matters when he says: We managed to survive greater threats in our history ... than a few disorganized terrorist groups and rogue states without resorting to these sorts of programs. It is not that I do not value intelligence, but that I oppose ... omniscient, automatic, mass surveillance That seems to me a greater threat to the institutions of free society than missed intelligence reports, and unworthy of the costs. Exactly. I find the NDAA quite more frightening than terrorism. NDAA is planned state terrorism. I know that the supreme court try to resist it, but it looks like 2013 has passed, and that it remains fuzzy in the important passage. Bruno PGC and he didn't pursue Bin Laden into Pakistan, in Dec 2001. Both Clinton and Bush were asleep at the wheel, Clinton because of ideology, Bush because he was, and is, naieve. Looking back to the OW organized protests of 2011 (now that OW is listed as a targeted group) I view the conflict between the police and OW, as an intra-family spat. One between unionized police who voted for BHO in 2008 and OW which also voted for BHO in 2008. I am sure they both, by in large, voted the same way in 2012. It was an intra family conflict, and the Democratic party is quite used to this. Any more ideas on pc security? What about virtual desktops? -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:51 am Subject: Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. On 25 Jun 2013, at 08:14, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: John, PGC, On 21 Jun 2013, at 02:24, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com
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Ok, Correction. Saddam was captured alive and hanged by the Iraqi government. The Bin Ladin thing I am guessing was more of a great fear by the Bush regime of ruining or underminning Pakistan's Musharef and the ISI. Bush 43 also had Saddam in his site, for the 1993 attempt by Saddam on Bush sr.'s life, which was part of the motivation (denied of course) for going into Iraqi (finishing up Daddy's screw up in 91-leaving Saddam in power). Bush 43 ignored deliberately, of Bin Ladens' existence in Pakistan. Agreed that Obama is Bush 43 on steroids, but with the Democratic partie's hunger to go after opponents. Call it the Chicago Way. On America's decline since Nixon, its the use of K-Street Lobbyists in DC, and the proponderence of Billionaires from Wall Street, from Hollywood have co-mingled as part of the elite that funds Obama. This is my understanding anyway. Yes, like Juan Peron-a mix of rich, poor, unions, academics, entertainment, racial groups, the young. My only point is that the old, Oligarchy wants the US to continue, and the current Oligarchy doesn't care. -Mitch PS I agree with Telmo, but was hoping against hope-alas.. -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 9:09 am Subject: Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. On 25 Jun 2013, at 12:27, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: I don't believe 9-11 was anything but a Jihadist conspiracy, not a Bush conspiracy. Bush was an enormously flawed elitist, who slightly rose above his station as prez. He really didn't benefit by 9-11, The goal was the patriot act and NDAA-like policy, I am afraid. I did not believe in conspiracy, because I thought the patriot act was temporary, but the NDAA makes it indefinite making the war on terror looking like the war on drug. You might be right, but as I said, the NDAA is even more scandalous than the drug policy, which is already a proof of conspiracy/special interests. The NSA is non sense too. And the lack of transparency on 9/11 can only add suspicion. It begins to look clear to me that the drug wrong-doers are only protecting themselves. That both Saddam and Bin Laden were not captured alive is also quite astonishing. It has become hard for me to separate the prohibition scandal from the 9/11 unanswered questions. Since Nixon, the US democracy, and many others, seems to be completely perverted. There are many things which do not fit. Obama is Bush^Bush. I have stopped to believe in any difference between republicans and democrats. They both continue to defend the exact same special interests. Bruno and he didn't pursue Bin Laden into Pakistan, in Dec 2001. Both Clinton and Bush were asleep at the wheel, Clinton because of ideology, Bush because he was, and is, naieve. Looking back to the OW organized protests of 2011 (now that OW is listed as a targeted group) I view the conflict between the police and OW, as an intra-family spat. One between unionized police who voted for BHO in 2008 and OW which also voted for BHO in 2008. I am sure they both, by in large, voted the same way in 2012. It was an intra family conflict, and the Democratic party is quite used to this. Any more ideas on pc security? What about virtual desktops? -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:51 am Subject: Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. On 25 Jun 2013, at 08:14, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: John, PGC, On 21 Jun 2013, at 02:24, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Let me interject in -marked BOLD ITALICS lines into the texts of the posts below John M On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Jun 2013, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote: There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption. On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephone and read your email. But it would have been illegal for him to do so. People are always able to do illegal things. The question is what preventive measures should be taken. Snowden was an IT tech who was just supposed to keep the system running, so of course he had the ability to tap data flows. But there should have been some administrative oversight to
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There are genuine enemies out there. Wars of Terror were never wars on Jihad. Terror is a method, like playing the accordian, the goal is different then a method. An elite, reluctant, under both Bush43 and Obama, is that they will not even name the aggressor. Wars on drugs, were based on generational battles, with Reagan-Bush, and with other cultural issues. Such behavior on the street, a lack of a sense of responsibility, misbehaviors, observed, and all that. Even, Holland, has made it symbolically, a bit, harder, to smoke there, for a non-citizen. So, its always, no matter whom, it is you trust? Don't trust?? We don't require a grand, conspiracy to beat us. All it takes is a passive public-and we have this now. What will it take to change this? One-the goody wagon ends for Obama's supporters. Two, a force outside the US, does something, bad, to the US. This is the one that I am fearing. No, it won't be a conspiracy of the elites, just US weakness, and narcissism. This is what I actually, am, concerned, about. Call it paranoia. Situation Two will likely bring on Situation One. An attack originating outside the US bringing on economic (collapse, damage, panic???), whatever. I don't think we need a highly intelligent, cabal to ruin us, in America. Just our own vanity, and studpity. This is my take. Mitch -Original Message- From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 10:04 am Subject: Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 25 Jun 2013, at 12:27, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: I don't believe 9-11 was anything but a Jihadist conspiracy, not a Bush conspiracy. Bush was an enormously flawed elitist, who slightly rose above his station as prez. He really didn't benefit by 9-11, The goal was the patriot act and NDAA-like policy, I am afraid. I did not believe in conspiracy, because I thought the patriot act was temporary, but the NDAA makes it indefinite making the war on terror looking like the war on drug. You might be right, but as I said, the NDAA is even more scandalous than the drug policy, which is already a proof of conspiracy/special interests. The NSA is non sense too. And the lack of transparency on 9/11 can only add suspicion. It begins to look clear to me that the drug wrong-doers are only protecting themselves. That both Saddam and Bin Laden were not captured alive is also quite astonishing. It has become hard for me to separate the prohibition scandal from the 9/11 unanswered questions. Since Nixon, the US democracy, and many others, seems to be completely perverted. There are many things which do not fit. Obama is Bush^Bush. I have stopped to believe in any difference between republicans and democrats. They both continue to defend the exact same special interests. Bruno It's amazing how complex the hype around this makes everything seem, masking quite simple things: Humans have always used war as a means to consolidate power and accelerate/stimulate economic growth. In absence of a real foes and forced to drop racism, humans turn to invent foes like terror, drugs, sexual orientation, lifestyles, political tendencies, privacy through cryptography... anything that will enable some reductionist marking of a minority as witch. Then print money without remorse because we're saving the world from itself. Yes, governments will make it hurt but the trivial fact of the matter remains: people are more likely to die in mundane, banal circumstances like cars/infections than via terror etc. Whatever Snowden's motives, he has his eye on the ball that matters when he says: We managed to survive greater threats in our history ... than a few disorganized terrorist groups and rogue states without resorting to these sorts of programs. It is not that I do not value intelligence, but that I oppose ... omniscient, automatic, mass surveillance That seems to me a greater threat to the institutions of free society than missed intelligence reports, and unworthy of the costs. PGC and he didn't pursue Bin Laden into Pakistan, in Dec 2001. Both Clinton and Bush were asleep at the wheel, Clinton because of ideology, Bush because he was, and is, naieve. Looking back to the OW organized protests of 2011 (now that OW is listed as a targeted group) I view the conflict between the police and OW, as an intra-family spat. One between unionized police who voted for BHO in 2008 and OW which also voted for BHO in 2008. I am sure they both, by in large, voted the same way in 2012. It was an intra family conflict, and the Democratic party is quite used to this. Any more ideas on pc security? What about virtual desktops? -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be To: everything-list
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On 6/25/2013 12:08 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: There are genuine enemies out there. Wars of Terror were never wars on Jihad. Terror is a method, like playing the accordian, the goal is different then a method. An elite, reluctant, under both Bush43 and Obama, is that they will not even name the aggressor. Wars on drugs, were based on generational battles, with Reagan-Bush, and with other cultural issues. Such behavior on the street, a lack of a sense of responsibility, misbehaviors, observed, and all that. Even, Holland, has made it symbolically, a bit, harder, to smoke there, for a non-citizen. So, its always, no matter whom, it is you trust? Don't trust?? We don't require a grand, conspiracy to beat us. All it takes is a passive public-and we have this now. What will it take to change this? _One_-the goody wagon ends for Obama's supporters._Two_, a force outside the US, does something, bad, to the US. I think that already happened. This is the one that I am fearing. No, it won't be a conspiracy of the elites, just US weakness, and narcissism. This is what I actually, am, concerned, about. Call it paranoia. The 'weakness' comes from the paranoia. People are supposedly afraid of terrorists, abortionists, pot, immigrants, China, gay marriage,...at least this is what politicians claim. But at the same time the people don't trust their own government to do anything to address these fears. Brent Situation Two will likely bring on Situation One. An attack originating outside the US bringing on economic (collapse, damage, panic???), whatever. I don't think we need a highly intelligent, cabal to ruin us, in America. Just our own vanity, and studpity. This is my take. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Certainly humans are flawed, but denial is a tool of progressivism, so one can say, there's no real bad crime rate in South Chicago, no. The Islamists are merely misunderstood, which is why they kill Qfars, there is no high unemployment in the US, it's simply that everything was ruined by Bush 43, China means us no harm, its all fear mongering, immigrants are all wonderful, and are never a means for the Democratic party to maintain a vote lead, as Americans begin to tire of Obama's lies. If he can't win with Americans, he'll simply import the voters, for a majority. Gay marriage, I could give a care about. A government that spies on its own people, and according to Bloomberg news today (Bloomberg is a progressive) that PRISM was not used principally to spy on potential terrorists, that the IRS was order to go after perceived political opponents, that the FBI was being used against reporters. This would give an average person pause to view their government differently then before. The goody wagon has not ended, I assure you, as you notice the relative peace in the streets from US citizens. Had it already ended, the reporting from the US would be covered, endlessly. Mitch. -Original Message- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 3:54 pm Subject: Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. On 6/25/2013 12:08 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: There are genuine enemies out there. Wars of Terror were never wars on Jihad. Terror is a method, like playing the accordian, the goal is different then a method. An elite, reluctant, under both Bush43 and Obama, is that they will not even name the aggressor. Wars on drugs, were based on generational battles, with Reagan-Bush, and with other cultural issues. Such behavior on the street, a lack of a sense of responsibility, misbehaviors, observed, and all that. Even, Holland, has made it symbolically, a bit, harder, to smoke there, for a non-citizen. So, its always, no matter whom, it is you trust? Don't trust?? We don't require a grand, conspiracy to beat us. All it takes is a passive public-and we have this now. What will it take to change this? One-the goody wagon ends for Obama's supporters. Two, a force outside the US, does something, bad, to the US. I think that already happened. This is the one that I am fearing. No, it won't be a conspiracy of the elites, just US weakness, and narcissism. This is what I actually, am, concerned, about. Call it paranoia. The 'weakness' comes from the paranoia. People are supposedly afraidof terrorists, abortionists, pot, immigrants, China, gaymarriage,...at least this is what politicians claim. But at thesame time the people don't trust their own government to do anythingto address these fears. Brent Situation Two will likely bring on Situation One. An attack originating outside the US bringing on economic (collapse, damage, panic???), whatever. I don't think we need a highly intelligent, cabal to ruin us, in America. Just our own vanity, and studpity. This is my take. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Why not use an anonymous proxy server? Also you can communicate with people using a shared email address by uploading encrypted texts in the drafts folder. Saibal Citeren spudboy...@aol.com: Dr. Mikes, question- Do you feel that the search engine duckduckgo really prevents spying by PRISM or do you think it may just be a 'honey trap' of sorts, or that the software is not all it is promoted as being? Would you advise virtual desktop software as a security method, or is this a waste of time? Sincerely, Mitch -Original Message- From: John Mikes jami...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Jun 20, 2013 5:08 pm Subject: Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Let me interject in -marked BOLD ITALICS lines into the texts of the posts below John M On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Jun 2013, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote: There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption. On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: How to protect your computer from spying bythe IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protectyourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRSand Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed theNSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephoneand read your email. But it would have been illegal for him to do so. People are alwaysable to do illegal things. The question is what preventive measuresshould be taken. Snowden was an IT tech who was just supposed tokeep the system running, so of course he had the ability to tap dataflows. But there should have been some administrative oversight tokeep him from doing that beyond what was necessary for his work (andmaybe there was). The question is should it be legal for the government to collect this data. The Supreme Court has said it's Constitutional and polls say it's favor 62% to 34% by the public, so... - The overall collection of DATA is a hoax: only the addresses are collected without court order. The Hoopla is only political. The majority in the poll voted for security: to eliminate potential violent acts by 'enemies'. The Copnstitution is a 300yo thinking in medieval terms, usable for human principles, not the FACTS in our 21st c. life. I am a sharp critique of the government(s), in this case they work in our behalf. The US government is doing the dictator trick (NDAA 12, NDAA 13). Those are not just non-constitutional they are anti-constitutional. The human rights applies to all humans, or they lost their meaning. The private life has to be respected for all humans. It seems clear to me that prohibition has succeeded in putting bandits into power, which makes legal or illegal things only for special interest. Health should be separated from the state, like religion. Free competition has to be allowed among all art of helping others, and nobody can pretend for you what is good to you. - Except if YOU require the community to PAY for the curing of YOUR sicknesses (maybe caused by YOUR own negligence) e.g. emphysema etc. by smoking. Some people do money on fears and catastrophes. The war on drug is a golden mine for bandits and terrorists. After the NDAA 12 I am afraid that the war on terror begins to look to me suspiciously like the war on drug. The notion legal/illegal must be relativized when the evidences add that the government don't play with the rules. - There is no WAR ON TERROR - nor ON DRUGS. There are 'efforts' and 'lies'. Against CERTAIN aspects. Others are accepted as 'money making' endeavours. The governments play by their own rules, not with rules of anybody else. Governments ar exploitative ensembles. Bruno - John M Brent http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit
Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.
sounds good Thanks! -Original Message- From: smitra smi...@zonnet.nl To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:36 pm Subject: Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Why not use an anonymous proxy server? Also you can communicate with people using a shared email address by uploading encrypted texts in the drafts folder. Saibal Citeren spudboy...@aol.com: Dr. Mikes, question- Do you feel that the search engine duckduckgo really prevents spying by PRISM or do you think it may just be a 'honey trap' of sorts, or that the software is not all it is promoted as being? Would you advise virtual desktop software as a security method, or is this a waste of time? Sincerely, Mitch -Original Message- From: John Mikes jami...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Jun 20, 2013 5:08 pm Subject: Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Let me interject in -marked BOLD ITALICS lines into the texts of the posts below John M On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Jun 2013, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote: There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption. On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: How to protect your computer from spying bythe IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protectyourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRSand Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed theNSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephoneand read your email. But it would have been illegal for him to do so. People are alwaysable to do illegal things. The question is what preventive measuresshould be taken. Snowden was an IT tech who was just supposed tokeep the system running, so of course he had the ability to tap dataflows. But there should have been some administrative oversight tokeep him from doing that beyond what was necessary for his work (andmaybe there was). The question is should it be legal for the government to collect this data. The Supreme Court has said it's Constitutional and polls say it's favor 62% to 34% by the public, so... - The overall collection of DATA is a hoax: only the addresses are collected without court order. The Hoopla is only political. The majority in the poll voted for security: to eliminate potential violent acts by 'enemies'. The Copnstitution is a 300yo thinking in medieval terms, usable for human principles, not the FACTS in our 21st c. life. I am a sharp critique of the government(s), in this case they work in our behalf. The US government is doing the dictator trick (NDAA 12, NDAA 13). Those are not just non-constitutional they are anti-constitutional. The human rights applies to all humans, or they lost their meaning. The private life has to be respected for all humans. It seems clear to me that prohibition has succeeded in putting bandits into power, which makes legal or illegal things only for special interest. Health should be separated from the state, like religion. Free competition has to be allowed among all art of helping others, and nobody can pretend for you what is good to you. - Except if YOU require the community to PAY for the curing of YOUR sicknesses (maybe caused by YOUR own negligence) e.g. emphysema etc. by smoking. Some people do money on fears and catastrophes. The war on drug is a golden mine for bandits and terrorists. After the NDAA 12 I am afraid that the war on terror begins to look to me suspiciously like the war on drug. The notion legal/illegal must be relativized when the evidences add that the government don't play with the rules. - There is no WAR ON TERROR - nor ON DRUGS. There are 'efforts' and 'lies'. Against CERTAIN aspects. Others are accepted as 'money making' endeavours. The governments play by their own rules, not with rules of anybody else. Governments ar exploitative ensembles. Bruno - John M Brent http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.
Dr. Mikes, question- Do you feel that the search engine duckduckgo really prevents spying by PRISM or do you think it may just be a 'honey trap' of sorts, or that the software is not all it is promoted as being? Would you advise virtual desktop software as a security method, or is this a waste of time? Sincerely, Mitch -Original Message- From: John Mikes jami...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Jun 20, 2013 5:08 pm Subject: Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Let me interject in -marked BOLD ITALICS lines into the texts of the posts below John M On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Jun 2013, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote: There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption. On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: How to protect your computer from spying bythe IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protectyourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRSand Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed theNSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephoneand read your email. But it would have been illegal for him to do so. People are alwaysable to do illegal things. The question is what preventive measuresshould be taken. Snowden was an IT tech who was just supposed tokeep the system running, so of course he had the ability to tap dataflows. But there should have been some administrative oversight tokeep him from doing that beyond what was necessary for his work (andmaybe there was). The question is should it be legal for the government to collectthis data. The Supreme Court has said it's Constitutional and pollssay it's favor 62% to 34% by the public, so... - The overall collection of DATA is a hoax: only the addresses are collected without court order. The Hoopla is only political. The majority in the poll voted for security: to eliminate potential violent acts by 'enemies'. The Copnstitution is a 300yo thinking in medieval terms, usable for human principles, not the FACTS in our 21st c. life. I am a sharp critique of the government(s), in this case they work in our behalf. The US government is doing the dictator trick (NDAA 12, NDAA 13). Those are not just non-constitutional they are anti-constitutional. The human rights applies to all humans, or they lost their meaning. The private life has to be respected for all humans. It seems clear to me that prohibition has succeeded in putting bandits into power, which makes legal or illegal things only for special interest. Health should be separated from the state, like religion. Free competition has to be allowed among all art of helping others, and nobody can pretend for you what is good to you. - Except if YOU require the community to PAY for the curing of YOUR sicknesses (maybe caused by YOUR own negligence) e.g. emphysema etc. by smoking. Some people do money on fears and catastrophes. The war on drug is a golden mine for bandits and terrorists. After the NDAA 12 I am afraid that the war on terror begins to look to me suspiciously like the war on drug. The notion legal/illegal must be relativized when the evidences add that the government don't play with the rules. - There is no WAR ON TERROR - nor ON DRUGS. There are 'efforts' and 'lies'. Against CERTAIN aspects. Others are accepted as 'money making' endeavours. The governments play by their own rules, not with rules of anybody else. Governments ar exploitative ensembles. Bruno - John M Brent http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are
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John, PGC, On 21 Jun 2013, at 02:24, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Let me interject in -marked BOLD ITALICS lines into the texts of the posts below John M On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Jun 2013, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote: There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption. On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephone and read your email. But it would have been illegal for him to do so. People are always able to do illegal things. The question is what preventive measures should be taken. Snowden was an IT tech who was just supposed to keep the system running, so of course he had the ability to tap data flows. But there should have been some administrative oversight to keep him from doing that beyond what was necessary for his work (and maybe there was). The question is should it be legal for the government to collect this data. The Supreme Court has said it's Constitutional and polls say it's favor 62% to 34% by the public, so... - The overall collection of DATA is a hoax: only the addresses are collected without court order. That's already not acceptable. The Hoopla is only political. The majority in the poll voted for security: to eliminate potential violent acts by 'enemies'. NDAA + FBI makes many enemies. According to the FBI, to write a mail in favor of the constitution makes you a suspect of terrorism. I have mocked the conspiracy 9/11 theory, despite the building 7, but I have mocked also those who announce the NDAA. After Obama signed it, I am just much less sure and more vigilant. The Copnstitution is a 300yo thinking in medieval terms, usable for human principles, not the FACTS in our 21st c. life. I am a sharp critique of the government(s), in this case they work in our behalf. The problems is when the facts don't make sense. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/20/nsa-surveillance-fisa-court/2442899/ The Guardian article + documents referred to in both links: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-without-warrant PGC Thanks guitar boy, The US government is doing the dictator trick (NDAA 12, NDAA 13). Those are not just non-constitutional they are anti-constitutional. The human rights applies to all humans, or they lost their meaning. The private life has to be respected for all humans. It seems clear to me that prohibition has succeeded in putting bandits into power, which makes legal or illegal things only for special interest. Health should be separated from the state, like religion. Free competition has to be allowed among all art of helping others, and nobody can pretend for you what is good to you. - Except if YOU require the community to PAY for the curing of YOUR sicknesses (maybe caused by YOUR own negligence) e.g. emphysema etc. by smoking. I personally disagree with this. But it is out of topic. Some people do money on fears and catastrophes. The war on drug is a golden mine for bandits and terrorists. After the NDAA 12 I am afraid that the war on terror begins to look to me suspiciously like the war on drug. The notion legal/illegal must be relativized when the evidences add that the government don't play with the rules. - There is no WAR ON TERROR - nor ON DRUGS. There are 'efforts' and 'lies'. Against CERTAIN aspects. The term war on drug has been introduced by Nixon, and exploited by Reagan, and there is a war on drugs, like there are many people sent in jail for non violent crime related to possession of marijuana. There is a War on terror, since Bush junior. Since the start, the marijuana problem is a construct. the proof of a danger have all been debunked, each time. But today we know that real dangerous drug, when prohibited, become much more dangerous, as they will be sold by criminals who will target the kids and the sick people. Others are accepted as 'money making' endeavours. The governments play by their own rules, not with rules of anybody else. Governments ar exploitative ensembles. When a governments lies systematically on a subject, it means they defend special interests, and not the interest of those who elected it, that hurts everybody. Bruno Bruno - John M Brent http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this
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Let me interject in *-*marked *BOLD ITALICS* lines into the texts of the posts below John M On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Jun 2013, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote: There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption. On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephone and read your email. But it would have been illegal for him to do so. People are always able to do illegal things. The question is what preventive measures should be taken. Snowden was an IT tech who was just supposed to keep the system running, so of course he had the ability to tap data flows. But there should have been some administrative oversight to keep him from doing that beyond what was necessary for his work (and maybe there was). The question is should it be legal for the government to collect this data. The Supreme Court has said it's Constitutional and polls say it's favor 62% to 34% by the public, so... *- The overall collection of DATA is a hoax: only the addresses are collected without court order. The Hoopla is only political. The majority in the poll voted for security: to eliminate potential violent acts by 'enemies'. The Copnstitution is a 300yo thinking in medieval terms, usable for human principles, not the FACTS in our 21st c. life. I am a sharp critique of the government(s), in this case they work in our behalf.* The US government is doing the dictator trick (NDAA 12, NDAA 13). Those are not just non-constitutional they are anti-constitutional. The human rights applies to all humans, or they lost their meaning. The private life has to be respected for all humans. It seems clear to me that prohibition has succeeded in putting bandits into power, which makes legal or illegal things only for special interest. Health should be separated from the state, like religion. Free competition has to be allowed among all art of helping others, and nobody can pretend for you what is good to you. *- Except if YOU require the community to PAY for the curing of YOUR sicknesses (maybe caused by YOUR own negligence) e.g. emphysema etc. by smoking. * Some people do money on fears and catastrophes. The war on drug is a golden mine for bandits and terrorists. After the NDAA 12 I am afraid that the war on terror begins to look to me suspiciously like the war on drug. The notion legal/illegal must be relativized when the evidences add that the government don't play with the rules. *- There is no WAR ON TERROR - nor ON DRUGS. There are 'efforts' and 'lies'. Against CERTAIN aspects. * *Others are accepted as 'money making' endeavours. The governments play by their own rules, not with rules of anybody else. Governments ar exploitative ensembles. * Bruno *- John M* Brent http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Let me interject in *-*marked *BOLD ITALICS* lines into the texts of the posts below John M On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Jun 2013, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote: There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption. On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephone and read your email. But it would have been illegal for him to do so. People are always able to do illegal things. The question is what preventive measures should be taken. Snowden was an IT tech who was just supposed to keep the system running, so of course he had the ability to tap data flows. But there should have been some administrative oversight to keep him from doing that beyond what was necessary for his work (and maybe there was). The question is should it be legal for the government to collect this data. The Supreme Court has said it's Constitutional and polls say it's favor 62% to 34% by the public, so... *- The overall collection of DATA is a hoax: only the addresses are collected without court order. The Hoopla is only political. The majority in the poll voted for security: to eliminate potential violent acts by 'enemies'. The Copnstitution is a 300yo thinking in medieval terms, usable for human principles, not the FACTS in our 21st c. life. I am a sharp critique of the government(s), in this case they work in our behalf.* http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/20/nsa-surveillance-fisa-court/2442899/ The Guardian article + documents referred to in both links: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-without-warrant PGC The US government is doing the dictator trick (NDAA 12, NDAA 13). Those are not just non-constitutional they are anti-constitutional. The human rights applies to all humans, or they lost their meaning. The private life has to be respected for all humans. It seems clear to me that prohibition has succeeded in putting bandits into power, which makes legal or illegal things only for special interest. Health should be separated from the state, like religion. Free competition has to be allowed among all art of helping others, and nobody can pretend for you what is good to you. *- Except if YOU require the community to PAY for the curing of YOUR sicknesses (maybe caused by YOUR own negligence) e.g. emphysema etc. by smoking. * Some people do money on fears and catastrophes. The war on drug is a golden mine for bandits and terrorists. After the NDAA 12 I am afraid that the war on terror begins to look to me suspiciously like the war on drug. The notion legal/illegal must be relativized when the evidences add that the government don't play with the rules. *- There is no WAR ON TERROR - nor ON DRUGS. There are 'efforts' and 'lies'. Against CERTAIN aspects. * *Others are accepted as 'money making' endeavours. The governments play by their own rules, not with rules of anybody else. Governments ar exploitative ensembles. * Bruno *- John M* Brent http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.
On 12 Jun 2013, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote: There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption. On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephone and read your email. But it would have been illegal for him to do so. People are always able to do illegal things. The question is what preventive measures should be taken. Snowden was an IT tech who was just supposed to keep the system running, so of course he had the ability to tap data flows. But there should have been some administrative oversight to keep him from doing that beyond what was necessary for his work (and maybe there was). The question is should it be legal for the government to collect this data. The Supreme Court has said it's Constitutional and polls say it's favor 62% to 34% by the public, so... The US government is doing the dictator trick (NDAA 12, NDAA 13). Those are not just non-constitutional they are anti-constitutional. The human rights applies to all humans, or they lost their meaning. The private life has to be respected for all humans. It seems clear to me that prohibition has succeeded in putting bandits into power, which makes legal or illegal things only for special interest. Health should be separated from the state, like religion. Free competition has to be allowed among all art of helping others, and nobody can pretend for you what is good to you. Some people do money on fears and catastrophes. The war on drug is a golden mine for bandits and terrorists. After the NDAA 12 I am afraid that the war on terror begins to look to me suspiciously like the war on drug. The notion legal/illegal must be relativized when the evidences add that the government don't play with the rules. Bruno Brent To do so, at least to a partial extent, start here: 1.) See this link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467304575383203092034876.html 2.) Switch your default browser to Mozilla Firefox, as most of the free add-ons only works on it. 3.) Download and install the freeware Firefox add-on from http://www.privacychoice.org/trackerblock/update This so far from a cursory search has not blocked me anywhere. Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 6/12/2013 See my Leibniz site at http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6403 - Release Date: 06/11/13 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.
On 6/13/2013 10:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Jun 2013, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote: There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption. On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephone and read your email. But it would have been illegal for him to do so. People are always able to do illegal things. The question is what preventive measures should be taken. Snowden was an IT tech who was just supposed to keep the system running, so of course he had the ability to tap data flows. But there should have been some administrative oversight to keep him from doing that beyond what was necessary for his work (and maybe there was). The question is should it be legal for the government to collect this data. The Supreme Court has said it's Constitutional and polls say it's favor 62% to 34% by the public, so... The US government is doing the dictator trick (NDAA 12, NDAA 13). NDAA ?? Those are not just non-constitutional they are anti-constitutional. It's not so clear that collecting phone records is unconstitutional - although I think it should be. The Supreme Courts reasoning was that it is business records which are collected already by the phone company and you have no expectation of privacy; anybody at the phone company could read them already. The human rights applies to all humans, or they lost their meaning. Human rights are a human invention. So far as I know the government watches everybody. :-) The private life has to be respected for all humans. Easy to say, but what constitutes private. I read that (don't know if it's true) the U.K. now has one surveillance camera for every fourteen people. Appearance on the street was always considered public - but it some sense more is different. It seems clear to me that prohibition has succeeded in putting bandits into power, which makes legal or illegal things only for special interest. It's not especially prohibition (we repealed that); but democracy is always subject to pressure from special interests. The founding fathers idea was that many competing interests would cancel out or average to the general interest. But they didn't worry about the power of money and extreme inequality - they were rich white men, most of whom owned slaves. Health should be separated from the state, like religion. Doesn't Belgium have universal health care, mandated by the state? Free competition has to be allowed among all art of helping others, and nobody can pretend for you what is good to you. Some people do money on fears and catastrophes. The war on drug is a golden mine for bandits and terrorists. After the NDAA 12 I am afraid that the war on terror begins to look to me suspiciously like the war on drug. Absolutely! Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes ... known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. - James Madison, Political Observations, 1795 The notion legal/illegal must be relativized when the evidences add that the government don't play with the rules. It's not that they don't play by the rules: They make the rules. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:03 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption. On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephone and read your email. But it would have been illegal for him to do so. People are always able to do illegal things. The question is what preventive measures should be taken. Snowden was an IT tech who was just supposed to keep the system running, so of course he had the ability to tap data flows. But there should have been some administrative oversight to keep him from doing that beyond what was necessary for his work (and maybe there was). The question is should it be legal for the government to collect this data. It is most certainly a step towards totalitarianism. The Supreme Court has said it's Constitutional I cannot find any evidence of such a decision. In fact, PRISM has been kept secret, for all intentes and purposes, from all of the checks and balances of democracy. This guy does a very good job of describing the situation: http://www.dancarlin.com//disp.php/csarchive/Show-255---The-Big-Long-Surveillance-Show/N.S.A.-security-spying and polls say it's favor 62% to 34% by the public, so... This poll says the opposite: http://www.gallup.com/poll/163043/americans-disapprove-government-surveillance-programs.aspx?utm_source=add_thisutm_medium=addthis.comutm_campaign=sharing#.UbjX5rNUzns.twitter Also, it appears that a vast number of democrats that opposed this type of surveillance under Bush now approve it under Obama, so these opinions are highly tainted by partisanship. Telmo. Brent To do so, at least to a partial extent, start here: 1.) See this link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467304575383203092034876.html 2.) Switch your default browser to Mozilla Firefox, as most of the free add-ons only works on it. 3.) Download and install the freeware Firefox add-on from http://www.privacychoice.org/trackerblock/update This so far from a cursory search has not blocked me anywhere. Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 6/12/2013 See my Leibniz site at http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6403 - Release Date: 06/11/13 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.
James Duane, professor at Regent Law School, notes in his lecturehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nucconcerning legality/crime (the target and justification of supposed surveillance efforts): Estimates of the current size of the body of federal criminal law vary. It has been reported that the Congressional Research Service *cannot even count the current number of federal crimes*. These laws are scattered in over 50 titles of the United States Code, encompassing roughly 27,000 pages. Worse yet, the statutory code sections often incorporate, by reference, the provisions and sanctions of administrative regulations promulgated by various regulatory agencies under congressional authorization. Estimates of how many such regulations exist are even less well settled, but the ABA thinks there are ”nearly 10,000.” From such pov, federal government can’t even count *how many laws there are*. Do we still have to ask: Cui bono factoring in digital surveillance anyone? Supreme Court Justice Breyer elaborateshttp://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/98-93.ZD.html : The complexity of modern federal criminal law, codified in several thousand sections of the United States Code and the virtually infinite variety of factual circumstances that might trigger an investigation into a possible violation of the law, *make it difficult for anyone to know, in advance, just when a particular set of statements might later appear (to a prosecutor) to be relevant to some such investigation*. What made me laugh recently was the following RT Interview of Putin featured in Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/06/13/vladimir-putin-defends-the-u-s-on-spying-programs-drones-and-occupy-wall-street/ While the article is dull to worthless, the video is surprisingly entertaining, with a ton of salt of course, after few minutes or so of the obligatory mucking about. Makes one wonder: Guess who's come out of media hiding, helping the U.S. pick up the pieces of its shattered privacy dream at this moment? Another odd sync: Snow's billboard platinum hit in the 90s, Informer, with him behind bars in the music video, Snowed-In with all the sexy data girls floating around him, rapping about some secret thing and blame, white guy in Jail, Obama locked in White House reading sexy summaries of data mining and cyber penetration efforts; intelligence of power every morning served up on a silver plate by Keith. Putin is on the same page on this issue at least. Do empires ever step down gracefully or realize the effect of time? We've all seen this movie thousands of times, we just don't seem to get the ending bit. PGC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.
Hi Roger, Unfortunately this kind of system cannot protect you from the recently leaked mass surveillance systems. This guy explains why quite well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ftfEXxFC4Qfeature=youtu.bet=28m53s On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephone and read your email. To do so, at least to a partial extent, start here: 1.) See this link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467304575383203092034876.html 2.) Switch your default browser to Mozilla Firefox, as most of the free add-ons only works on it. 3.) Download and install the freeware Firefox add-on from http://www.privacychoice.org/trackerblock/update This so far from a cursory search has not blocked me anywhere. Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 6/12/2013 See my Leibniz site at http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.
There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption. On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephone and read your email. But it would have been illegal for him to do so. People are always able to do illegal things. The question is what preventive measures should be taken. Snowden was an IT tech who was just supposed to keep the system running, so of course he had the ability to tap data flows. But there should have been some administrative oversight to keep him from doing that beyond what was necessary for his work (and maybe there was). The question is should it be legal for the government to collect this data. The Supreme Court has said it's Constitutional and polls say it's favor 62% to 34% by the public, so... Brent To do so, at least to a partial extent, start here: 1.) See this link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467304575383203092034876.html 2.) Switch your default browser to Mozilla Firefox, as most of the free add-ons only works on it. 3.) Download and install the freeware Firefox add-on from http://www.privacychoice.org/trackerblock/update This so far from a cursory search has not blocked me anywhere. Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 6/12/2013 See my Leibniz site at http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6403 - Release Date: 06/11/13 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.
I think it is worth nothing the difference between active and passive attacks. Active attacks being those where traffic is modified inflight by the eavesdropper or where there is a specific target. If you are specifically targeted I agree with Telmo there is nothing you can do, as every operating system is filled with remotely exploitable bugs which can be used to implant software on your machine, many governments possess CA private keys which can defeat SSL encryption used when you access secure sites, and even your keyboard and monitor give off RF signals that can be used to see what's on your screen or know what you are typing remotely. So if you are actively targeted and they tamper with the traffic or exploit your operating system there is little you can do. However, I am doubtful that the currently disclosed program involves mass-hacking of individual's machines or mass-tampering of traffic, which would be trivially detectable. If one is seeking protection against passive eavesdropping there are many things one can do. Even unauthenticated encryption provides protection against purely passive eavesdroppers in many cases. For e-mail protection there are some browser extensions which integrate with various webmail services ( http://lifehacker.com/5966787/mailvelope-offers-free-easy+to+use-pgp-encryption-for-gmail-outlook-and-other-webmail-services) for IM there is an OTR (off the record) messaging plugin, there are also browser extensions to enable HTTPS everywhere ( https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere ), and there are also search engines that claim to not record your searches ( https://startpage.com/ ). The big downside with PGP is that if your PGP is ever disclosed or revealed in the future, it is possible to go back and decrypt everything that you ever sent. With live protocols (such as HTTPS and OTR) that use Diffie-Hellman key agreement, there is the property of forward security. This means that in the future if your keys are disclosed, then even with the recorded traffic it is not possible to go back and decrypt what was sent. Jason On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: Hi Roger, Unfortunately this kind of system cannot protect you from the recently leaked mass surveillance systems. This guy explains why quite well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ftfEXxFC4Qfeature=youtu.bet=28m53s On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephone and read your email. To do so, at least to a partial extent, start here: 1.) See this link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467304575383203092034876.html 2.) Switch your default browser to Mozilla Firefox, as most of the free add-ons only works on it. 3.) Download and install the freeware Firefox add-on from http://www.privacychoice.org/trackerblock/update This so far from a cursory search has not blocked me anywhere. Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 6/12/2013 See my Leibniz site at http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
