Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of as if rather than is

2012-10-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
The quote might be wrong, as you answer statements which are not mine. On 16 Oct 2012, at 15:49, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2012/10/10 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com 2012/10/10 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 09 Oct 2012, at 18:58, Alberto G. Corona wrote: It may be a zombie or

Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of as if rather than is

2012-10-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
OK, This post is clearer. forget my early reply. On 16 Oct 2012, at 15:55, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2012/10/11 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 10 Oct 2012, at 20:13, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2012/10/10 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 09 Oct 2012, at 18:58, Alberto G. Corona wrote:

Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of as if rather than is

2012-10-16 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2012/10/10 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com 2012/10/10 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 09 Oct 2012, at 18:58, Alberto G. Corona wrote: It may be a zombie or not. I can´t know. The same applies to other persons. It may be that the world is made of zombie-actors that try to

Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of as if rather than is

2012-10-16 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2012/10/11 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 10 Oct 2012, at 20:13, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2012/10/10 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 09 Oct 2012, at 18:58, Alberto G. Corona wrote: It may be a zombie or not. I can´t know. The same applies to other persons. It may be that the

Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of as if rather than is

2012-10-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Oct 2012, at 20:13, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2012/10/10 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 09 Oct 2012, at 18:58, Alberto G. Corona wrote: It may be a zombie or not. I can´t know. The same applies to other persons. It may be that the world is made of zombie-actors that try to

Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of as if rather than is

2012-10-11 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Comp seems to avoid this insurmountable problem by avoiding the issue of whether the computer actually had an experience, only that it appeared to have an experience. So comp's requirement is as if rather than is. In

Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of as if rather than is

2012-10-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Oct 2012, at 18:58, Alberto G. Corona wrote: It may be a zombie or not. I can´t know. The same applies to other persons. It may be that the world is made of zombie-actors that try to cheat me, but I have an harcoded belief in the conventional thing. Maybe it is, because otherwise, I

Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of as if rather than is

2012-10-10 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2012/10/10 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 09 Oct 2012, at 18:58, Alberto G. Corona wrote: It may be a zombie or not. I can´t know. The same applies to other persons. It may be that the world is made of zombie-actors that try to cheat me, but I have an harcoded belief in the

Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of as if rather than is

2012-10-09 Thread Alberto G. Corona
That is true. To pressupose an experience of self in others is a leap on faith based on similarity. It is duck philosophy. What seems a Duck, must be a Duck. Even Hume had to limit its destructive philosophy to avoid self destructiveness. Because there are core beliefs that we don´t doubt, or

Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of as if rather than is

2012-10-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Oct 2012, at 11:50, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Alberto G. Corona and Bruno, Perhaps I can express the problem of solipsism as this. To have a mind means that one can experience. Hmm... Not really, with my terminology. A mind is not enough for an experience. You need a soul. It is a

Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of as if rather than is

2012-10-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Oct 2012, at 13:29, Alberto G. Corona wrote: But still after this reasoning, I doubt that the self conscious philosopher robot have the kind of thing, call it a soul, that I have. ? You mean it is a zombie? I can't conceive consciousness without a soul. Even if only the universal

Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of as if rather than is

2012-10-09 Thread Alberto G. Corona
It may be a zombie or not. I can´t know. The same applies to other persons. It may be that the world is made of zombie-actors that try to cheat me, but I have an harcoded belief in the conventional thing. Maybe it is, because otherwise, I will act in strange and self destructive ways. I would