Re: Re: Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-12 Thread Roger Clough
: Re: Re: Impossible connections Roger, I know Brian Greene personally and have read his book, Fabric of the Cosmos. He was a postdoc at my school. He is not a founder of string theory, Max Green is. His view of space is quite conventional except for the extra dimensions of string theory

Re: Re: Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-11, 11:35:29 Subject: Re: Re: Impossible connections Roger, I know Brian Greene personally and have read his book, Fabric of the Cosmos. He was a postdoc at my

Re: Re: Re: Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-12 Thread Roger Clough
is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-12, 07:28:42 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Impossible connections Roger, Brian definitely thinks that spacetime exists. You have said

Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
Roger, You are entitled to your opinion, but that is all it is. Richard On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist Here you go again. Monads are basically ideas. The BECs are physical. No physical connection is possible between ideas and

Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
I agree with Roger on this one (except for the insults). I did not know that Einstein recognized that spacetime was a true void - I had assumed that his conception of gravitational warping of spacetime was a literal plenum or manifold, but if it's true that he recognized spacetime as an

Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
Spacetime could not be warped if it were a void. On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Roger on this one (except for the insults). I did not know that Einstein recognized that spacetime was a true void - I had assumed that his conception of

Re: Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread Roger Clough
Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-11, 08:17:23 Subject: Re: Impossible connections Spacetime could not be warped if it were a void. On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: I agree with Roger on this one (except for the insults). I did not know that Einstein recognized

Re: Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread Roger Clough
, must therefore be wrong.[8] Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/11/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-11, 08:11:17 Subject: Re: Impossible

Re: Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
-list Time: 2012-10-11, 08:11:17 Subject: Re: Impossible connections I agree with Roger on this one (except for the insults). I did not know that Einstein recognized that spacetime was a true void - I had assumed that his conception of gravitational warping of spacetime was a literal plenum

Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread meekerdb
On 10/11/2012 5:17 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Spacetime could not be warped if it were a void. Why not? Spacetime is just the set of relations, i.e. intervals, between events. If those intervals satisfy the Minkowski metric the spacetime is flat. If they don't the spacetime is warped.

Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
Brent, According to Einstein it takes massive objects to warp spacetime. Therefore a warped spacetime cannot be empty. The apparently flat spacetime that exists is due to dark energy, dark matter and visible matter. Although flat, it is hardly considered to be empty. Richard On Thu, Oct 11,

Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:41:29 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: Brent, According to Einstein it takes massive objects to warp spacetime. Therefore a warped spacetime cannot be empty. Sure it can. What is mass? A relation between objects. Relativity shows us nothing if not that. Earth

Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread meekerdb
On 10/11/2012 9:41 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Brent, According to Einstein it takes massive objects to warp spacetime. No, that's wrong. Mass-energy warps spacetime, but the Einstein equations have non-flat solutions with a zero stress-energy tensor. DeSitter showed this shortly after

Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:23:48 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: Nobody said it was empty. I was just correcting your misconception that spacetime had to be flat in the absence of matter. I'm saying that it is beyond empty. It is only the inferred distance between which objects define