Re: John K. Clark

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Larry Krauss and Sir Martin Rees both had made jokes about the dangers of 
astronomers causing a collapse of the cosmos by viewing it? I am hoping that 
your tale is allegorical, but being something of a rightist, I see the crap 
that goes on at "public" universities, and grind my molars.  In either case my 
attitude to the good university president at Caltech is fuck him if he can't 
take a joke. 


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From: Alan Grayson 
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Sent: Thu, May 5, 2022 4:39 pm
Subject: Re: John K. Clark

Did you know that Sean Carroll is moving to John Hopkins University? Rumor has 
it he was booted from Caltech after an insolent episode with its President. 
Sean insisted that energy of each world of the MWI reduces via applying Born's 
rule and that planets will nontheless remain in orbit despite reductions in 
gravity. Sean further asserted that the phenonomen would remain undetected -- 
to which the President asked if the Sun would still be seen in daytime after a 
few iterations of this process. Sean replied; "Who the fuck asked you to look 
out the window?" AG

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 4:36:19 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

I found some stuff about you. Not very interesting, but somewhat explanatory. I 
gather you're subliminally jealous of my relationship with Carl Sagan, but for 
me it's not a big deal. I have a major regret that he didn't go through and 
publish what would have been my third citation during that period. I met him 
(and Pollack) again during Voyager 2's Neptune encounter at JPL. That was in 
1989. Little did I suspect that five short years later Pollack would pass away, 
and two years later Sagan. AG

On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:46:24 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

Do you have an advanced degree in EE? If so, from what University? Are you now 
retired? Just curious. AG

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Re: John K. Clark

[Alan Grayson]

On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 10:43:14 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 9:05:47 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 5/5/2022 6:04 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 10:45 AM Brent Meeker  wrote:
>>
>>> If the mass-energy of the Sun is halved, then for the Earth to continue 
>>> in the same orbital path, it's mass-energy must also be halved.  The 
>>> period, a year, will go up by a factor of sqrt(2).  Will the SI definition 
>>> of the second also go up by sqrt(2)?  I think so.  But if the Earth is 
>>> slower in the same orbit, the measurements of the speed of light by stellar 
>>> aberration will change.
>>>
>>
>> The problem I see is that orbital mechanics depend on the product of the 
>> masses, not the ratio, so if the energy (and masses) halve, the orbits must 
>> change. For example, the energy of the earth in orbit is the sum of the 
>> gravitational and potential energies:
>>
>>E_T = KE +PE = I/2 mv^2 - GMm/r = GMm/(2r) - GMm/r = -GMm/(2r),
>>
>> where M is the mass of the sun, m is the mass of the earth, and r the 
>> earth-sun distance. We note that the total energy is negative. If the total 
>> energy is to halve, the radius must change since Mm/(2r) is divided by 4, 
>> not 2. In other words, the radius of the orbit must also halve. If the KE 
>> simply halves, the velocity will remain the same. But if the orbit changes, 
>> the velocity must change also.
>>
>>
>> To a good approximation the mass of the Earth doesn't matter.  Whatever 
>> it's mass, it can continue in the same radius orbit if the Sun's mass is 
>> halved and it's speed is reduced by a factor of 1/sqrt(2).  There's more 
>> than one way to halve the energy and you're trying do it changing r and 
>> keeping v the same...which would certainly be noticeable to move closer to 
>> the Sun.  The way I see it is to keep the same orbital path at a lower 
>> speed...which is measureable by the change in stellar abberation, event if 
>> atomic clocks tick slower because of the energy change.
>>
>>
>>
>> The problems are magnified when we consider the potential energy of a 
>> mass lifted from the surface of the earth:
>> PE = mgh. Now g = GM/(r^2), so it halves along with the mass m. So mgh is 
>> reduced by a factor of 4 unless the height doubles in order for the PE to 
>> change only by a factor of two. I think these effects would be very 
>> noticeable, so the idea that one can halve the energy in a branch without 
>> causing any changes within the branch is just a nonsense.
>>
>> The idea that the SI definition of the second will also change to 
>> compensate other changes is as silly a notion as one could imagine.
>>
>>
>> It's determined by the energy difference of two levels of the cesium 
>> atom.  Why wouldn't it change?
>>
>> Brent
>>
>
> Thanks for these replies. I intuited that Clark's scenario must be wrong 
> since after not too many splits, gravity is gone and so will closed orbits. 
> AG 
>

Not that it matters, but Sean will be moving to JohnS Hopkins on July 1, 
2022. In my quest for perfection, I looked up references to that 
university, and the first one, which I posted, got it WRONG, leaving out 
the S at the end of "John". AG 

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Re: John K. Clark

[Bruce Kellett]

On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 2:43 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:

> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 9:05:47 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On 5/5/2022 6:04 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 10:45 AM Brent Meeker  wrote:
>>
>>> If the mass-energy of the Sun is halved, then for the Earth to continue
>>> in the same orbital path, it's mass-energy must also be halved.  The
>>> period, a year, will go up by a factor of sqrt(2).  Will the SI definition
>>> of the second also go up by sqrt(2)?  I think so.  But if the Earth is
>>> slower in the same orbit, the measurements of the speed of light by stellar
>>> aberration will change.
>>>
>>
>> The problem I see is that orbital mechanics depend on the product of the
>> masses, not the ratio, so if the energy (and masses) halve, the orbits must
>> change. For example, the energy of the earth in orbit is the sum of the
>> gravitational and potential energies:
>>
>>E_T = KE +PE = I/2 mv^2 - GMm/r = GMm/(2r) - GMm/r = -GMm/(2r),
>>
>> where M is the mass of the sun, m is the mass of the earth, and r the
>> earth-sun distance. We note that the total energy is negative. If the total
>> energy is to halve, the radius must change since Mm/(2r) is divided by 4,
>> not 2. In other words, the radius of the orbit must also halve. If the KE
>> simply halves, the velocity will remain the same. But if the orbit changes,
>> the velocity must change also.
>>
>>
>> To a good approximation the mass of the Earth doesn't matter.
>>
>
It does matter for the kinetic energy (1/2)mv^2, although it cancels out
when you equate the gravitational acceleration to the centripetal
acceleration of a circular orbit.

> Whatever it's mass, it can continue in the same radius orbit if the Sun's
>> mass is halved and it's speed is reduced by a factor of 1/sqrt(2).  There's
>> more than one way to halve the energy and you're trying do it changing r
>> and keeping v the same...which would certainly be noticeable to move closer
>> to the Sun.
>>
>
That is the trouble. When the energies change it is not clear that anything
can be kept fixed. You do have trouble with things like gravitational PE
near the earth's surface. mgh is hard to halve at a constant height.

  The way I see it is to keep the same orbital path at a lower
>> speed...which is measureable by the change in stellar abberation, event if
>> atomic clocks tick slower because of the energy change.
>>
>
I think we agree that however you cut it,  there are going to be noticeable
changes because we use secondary standards for things like distance and
time -- we do not refer everything to Caesium clocks (even if that is the
standard).

Bruce

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Re: John K. Clark

[Alan Grayson]

On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 9:05:47 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote:

>
>
> On 5/5/2022 6:04 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 10:45 AM Brent Meeker  wrote:
>
>> If the mass-energy of the Sun is halved, then for the Earth to continue 
>> in the same orbital path, it's mass-energy must also be halved.  The 
>> period, a year, will go up by a factor of sqrt(2).  Will the SI definition 
>> of the second also go up by sqrt(2)?  I think so.  But if the Earth is 
>> slower in the same orbit, the measurements of the speed of light by stellar 
>> aberration will change.
>>
>
> The problem I see is that orbital mechanics depend on the product of the 
> masses, not the ratio, so if the energy (and masses) halve, the orbits must 
> change. For example, the energy of the earth in orbit is the sum of the 
> gravitational and potential energies:
>
>E_T = KE +PE = I/2 mv^2 - GMm/r = GMm/(2r) - GMm/r = -GMm/(2r),
>
> where M is the mass of the sun, m is the mass of the earth, and r the 
> earth-sun distance. We note that the total energy is negative. If the total 
> energy is to halve, the radius must change since Mm/(2r) is divided by 4, 
> not 2. In other words, the radius of the orbit must also halve. If the KE 
> simply halves, the velocity will remain the same. But if the orbit changes, 
> the velocity must change also.
>
>
> To a good approximation the mass of the Earth doesn't matter.  Whatever 
> it's mass, it can continue in the same radius orbit if the Sun's mass is 
> halved and it's speed is reduced by a factor of 1/sqrt(2).  There's more 
> than one way to halve the energy and you're trying do it changing r and 
> keeping v the same...which would certainly be noticeable to move closer to 
> the Sun.  The way I see it is to keep the same orbital path at a lower 
> speed...which is measureable by the change in stellar abberation, event if 
> atomic clocks tick slower because of the energy change.
>
>
>
> The problems are magnified when we consider the potential energy of a mass 
> lifted from the surface of the earth:
> PE = mgh. Now g = GM/(r^2), so it halves along with the mass m. So mgh is 
> reduced by a factor of 4 unless the height doubles in order for the PE to 
> change only by a factor of two. I think these effects would be very 
> noticeable, so the idea that one can halve the energy in a branch without 
> causing any changes within the branch is just a nonsense.
>
> The idea that the SI definition of the second will also change to 
> compensate other changes is as silly a notion as one could imagine.
>
>
> It's determined by the energy difference of two levels of the cesium 
> atom.  Why wouldn't it change?
>
> Brent
>

Thanks for these replies. I intuited that Clark's scenario must be wrong 
since after not too many splits, gravity is gone and so will closed orbits. 
AG 

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Re: John K. Clark

[Brent Meeker]

On 5/5/2022 6:04 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 10:45 AM Brent Meeker  
wrote:


If the mass-energy of the Sun is halved, then for the Earth to
continue in the same orbital path, it's mass-energy must also be
halved.  The period, a year, will go up by a factor of sqrt(2). 
Will the SI definition of the second also go up by sqrt(2)?  I
think so.  But if the Earth is slower in the same orbit, the
measurements of the speed of light by stellar aberration will change.


The problem I see is that orbital mechanics depend on the product of 
the masses, not the ratio, so if the energy (and masses) halve, the 
orbits must change. For example, the energy of the earth in orbit is 
the sum of the gravitational and potential energies:


 E_T = KE +PE = I/2 mv^2 - GMm/r = GMm/(2r) - GMm/r = -GMm/(2r),

where M is the mass of the sun, m is the mass of the earth, and r the 
earth-sun distance. We note that the total energy is negative. If the 
total energy is to halve, the radius must change since Mm/(2r) is 
divided by 4, not 2. In other words, the radius of the orbit must also 
halve. If the KE simply halves, the velocity will remain the same. But 
if the orbit changes, the velocity must change also.


To a good approximation the mass of the Earth doesn't matter. Whatever 
it's mass, it can continue in the same radius orbit if the Sun's mass is 
halved and it's speed is reduced by a factor of 1/sqrt(2).  There's more 
than one way to halve the energy and you're trying do it changing r and 
keeping v the same...which would certainly be noticeable to move closer 
to the Sun.  The way I see it is to keep the same orbital path at a 
lower speed...which is measureable by the change in stellar abberation, 
event if atomic clocks tick slower because of the energy change.




The problems are magnified when we consider the potential energy of a 
mass lifted from the surface of the earth:
PE = mgh. Now g = GM/(r^2), so it halves along with the mass m. So mgh 
is reduced by a factor of 4 unless the height doubles in order for the 
PE to change only by a factor of two. I think these effects would be 
very noticeable, so the idea that one can halve the energy in a branch 
without causing any changes within the branch is just a nonsense.


The idea that the SI definition of the second will also change to 
compensate other changes is as silly a notion as one could imagine.


It's determined by the energy difference of two levels of the cesium 
atom.  Why wouldn't it change?


Brent

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Re: John K. Clark

[Bruce Kellett]

On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 10:45 AM Brent Meeker  wrote:

> If the mass-energy of the Sun is halved, then for the Earth to continue in
> the same orbital path, it's mass-energy must also be halved.  The period, a
> year, will go up by a factor of sqrt(2).  Will the SI definition of the
> second also go up by sqrt(2)?  I think so.  But if the Earth is slower in
> the same orbit, the measurements of the speed of light by stellar
> aberration will change.
>

The problem I see is that orbital mechanics depend on the product of the
masses, not the ratio, so if the energy (and masses) halve, the orbits must
change. For example, the energy of the earth in orbit is the sum of the
gravitational and potential energies:

   E_T = KE +PE = I/2 mv^2 - GMm/r = GMm/(2r) - GMm/r = -GMm/(2r),

where M is the mass of the sun, m is the mass of the earth, and r the
earth-sun distance. We note that the total energy is negative. If the total
energy is to halve, the radius must change since Mm/(2r) is divided by 4,
not 2. In other words, the radius of the orbit must also halve. If the KE
simply halves, the velocity will remain the same. But if the orbit changes,
the velocity must change also.

The problems are magnified when we consider the potential energy of a mass
lifted from the surface of the earth:
PE = mgh. Now g = GM/(r^2), so it halves along with the mass m. So mgh is
reduced by a factor of 4 unless the height doubles in order for the PE to
change only by a factor of two. I think these effects would be very
noticeable, so the idea that one can halve the energy in a branch without
causing any changes within the branch is just a nonsense.

The idea that the SI definition of the second will also change to
compensate other changes is as silly a notion as one could imagine.

Bruce

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Re: John K. Clark

[Brent Meeker]

If the mass-energy of the Sun is halved, then for the Earth to continue 
in the same orbital path, it's mass-energy must also be halved.  The 
period, a year, will go up by a factor of sqrt(2). Will the SI 
definition of the second also go up by sqrt(2)?  I think so.  But if the 
Earth is slower in the same orbit, the measurements of the speed of 
light by stellar aberration will change.


Brent

On 5/5/2022 2:13 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:
Why do you lack the guts to explain how planetary orbits can remain 
intact in the MWI, if Sean's claim that they reduce in energy 
according to Born's rule as the splits occur? AG


On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 2:46:26 PM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

You Sir are an ass.

John K Clark

On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 4:39 PM Alan Grayson 
wrote:

Did you know that Sean Carroll is moving to John Hopkins
University? Rumor has it he was booted from Caltech after an
insolent episode with its President. Sean insisted that energy
of each world of the MWI reduces via applying Born's rule and
that planets will nontheless remain in orbit despite
reductions in gravity. Sean further asserted that the
phenonomen would remain undetected -- to which the President
asked if the Sun would still be seen in daytime after a few
iterations of this process. Sean replied; "Who the fuck asked
you to look out the window?" AG

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 4:36:19 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson
wrote:

I found some stuff about you. Not very interesting, but
somewhat explanatory. I gather you're subliminally jealous
of my relationship with Carl Sagan, but for me it's not a
big deal. I have a major regret that he didn't go through
and publish what would have been my third citation during
that period. I met him (and Pollack) again during Voyager
2's Neptune encounter at JPL. That was in 1989. Little did
I suspect that five short years later Pollack would pass
away, and two years later Sagan. AG

On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:46:24 PM UTC-6 Alan
Grayson wrote:

Do you have an advanced degree in EE? If so, from what
University? Are you now retired? Just curious. AG

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Re: John K. Clark

[Alan Grayson]

On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 3:18:49 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

> You're  incapable of having an honest discussion. AG
>

I don't think you get it. No one responded to your claim because they 
viewed you as a hopeless case. AG 

>
> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 3:16:31 PM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>  Yep, short term memory loss.
>>
>> John K Clark
>>
>> On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 5:13 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>>
>>> Why do you lack the guts to explain how planetary orbits can remain 
>>> intact in the MWI, if Sean's claim that they reduce in energy according to 
>>> Born's rule as the splits occur? AG
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 2:46:26 PM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 You Sir are an ass.

 John K Clark 

 On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 4:39 PM Alan Grayson  
 wrote:

> Did you know that Sean Carroll is moving to John Hopkins University? 
> Rumor has it he was booted from Caltech after an insolent episode with 
> its 
> President. Sean insisted that energy of each world of the MWI reduces via 
> applying Born's rule and that planets will nontheless remain in orbit 
> despite reductions in gravity. Sean further asserted that the phenonomen 
> would remain undetected -- to which the President asked if the Sun would 
> still be seen in daytime after a few iterations of this process. Sean 
> replied; "Who the fuck asked you to look out the window?" AG
>
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 4:36:19 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>
>> I found some stuff about you. Not very interesting, but somewhat 
>> explanatory. I gather you're subliminally jealous of my relationship 
>> with 
>> Carl Sagan, but for me it's not a big deal. I have a major regret that 
>> he 
>> didn't go through and publish what would have been my third citation 
>> during 
>> that period. I met him (and Pollack) again during Voyager 2's Neptune 
>> encounter at JPL. That was in 1989. Little did I suspect that five short 
>> years later Pollack would pass away, and two years later Sagan. AG
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:46:24 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>>
>>> Do you have an advanced degree in EE? If so, from what University? 
>>> Are you now retired? Just curious. AG
>>
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Re: John K. Clark

[Alan Grayson]

You're  incapable of having an honest discussion. AG

On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 3:16:31 PM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

>   Yep, short term memory loss.
>
> John K Clark
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 5:13 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>
>> Why do you lack the guts to explain how planetary orbits can remain 
>> intact in the MWI, if Sean's claim that they reduce in energy according to 
>> Born's rule as the splits occur? AG
>>
>> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 2:46:26 PM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> You Sir are an ass.
>>>
>>> John K Clark 
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 4:39 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>>>
 Did you know that Sean Carroll is moving to John Hopkins University? 
 Rumor has it he was booted from Caltech after an insolent episode with its 
 President. Sean insisted that energy of each world of the MWI reduces via 
 applying Born's rule and that planets will nontheless remain in orbit 
 despite reductions in gravity. Sean further asserted that the phenonomen 
 would remain undetected -- to which the President asked if the Sun would 
 still be seen in daytime after a few iterations of this process. Sean 
 replied; "Who the fuck asked you to look out the window?" AG

 On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 4:36:19 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

> I found some stuff about you. Not very interesting, but somewhat 
> explanatory. I gather you're subliminally jealous of my relationship with 
> Carl Sagan, but for me it's not a big deal. I have a major regret that he 
> didn't go through and publish what would have been my third citation 
> during 
> that period. I met him (and Pollack) again during Voyager 2's Neptune 
> encounter at JPL. That was in 1989. Little did I suspect that five short 
> years later Pollack would pass away, and two years later Sagan. AG
>
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:46:24 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>
>> Do you have an advanced degree in EE? If so, from what University? 
>> Are you now retired? Just curious. AG
>
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Re: John K. Clark

[John Clark]

  Yep, short term memory loss.

John K Clark

On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 5:13 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:

> Why do you lack the guts to explain how planetary orbits can remain intact
> in the MWI, if Sean's claim that they reduce in energy according to Born's
> rule as the splits occur? AG
>
> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 2:46:26 PM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> You Sir are an ass.
>>
>> John K Clark
>>
>> On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 4:39 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>>
>>> Did you know that Sean Carroll is moving to John Hopkins University?
>>> Rumor has it he was booted from Caltech after an insolent episode with its
>>> President. Sean insisted that energy of each world of the MWI reduces via
>>> applying Born's rule and that planets will nontheless remain in orbit
>>> despite reductions in gravity. Sean further asserted that the phenonomen
>>> would remain undetected -- to which the President asked if the Sun would
>>> still be seen in daytime after a few iterations of this process. Sean
>>> replied; "Who the fuck asked you to look out the window?" AG
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 4:36:19 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>>>
 I found some stuff about you. Not very interesting, but somewhat
 explanatory. I gather you're subliminally jealous of my relationship with
 Carl Sagan, but for me it's not a big deal. I have a major regret that he
 didn't go through and publish what would have been my third citation during
 that period. I met him (and Pollack) again during Voyager 2's Neptune
 encounter at JPL. That was in 1989. Little did I suspect that five short
 years later Pollack would pass away, and two years later Sagan. AG

 On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:46:24 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

> Do you have an advanced degree in EE? If so, from what University? Are
> you now retired? Just curious. AG

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Re: John K. Clark

[Alan Grayson]

Why do you lack the guts to explain how planetary orbits can remain intact 
in the MWI, if Sean's claim that they reduce in energy according to Born's 
rule as the splits occur? AG

On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 2:46:26 PM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

> You Sir are an ass.
>
> John K Clark 
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 4:39 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>
>> Did you know that Sean Carroll is moving to John Hopkins University? 
>> Rumor has it he was booted from Caltech after an insolent episode with its 
>> President. Sean insisted that energy of each world of the MWI reduces via 
>> applying Born's rule and that planets will nontheless remain in orbit 
>> despite reductions in gravity. Sean further asserted that the phenonomen 
>> would remain undetected -- to which the President asked if the Sun would 
>> still be seen in daytime after a few iterations of this process. Sean 
>> replied; "Who the fuck asked you to look out the window?" AG
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 4:36:19 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>>
>>> I found some stuff about you. Not very interesting, but somewhat 
>>> explanatory. I gather you're subliminally jealous of my relationship with 
>>> Carl Sagan, but for me it's not a big deal. I have a major regret that he 
>>> didn't go through and publish what would have been my third citation during 
>>> that period. I met him (and Pollack) again during Voyager 2's Neptune 
>>> encounter at JPL. That was in 1989. Little did I suspect that five short 
>>> years later Pollack would pass away, and two years later Sagan. AG
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:46:24 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>>>
 Do you have an advanced degree in EE? If so, from what University? Are 
 you now retired? Just curious. AG
>>>
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Re: John K. Clark

[John Clark]

You Sir are an ass.

John K Clark

On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 4:39 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:

> Did you know that Sean Carroll is moving to John Hopkins University? Rumor
> has it he was booted from Caltech after an insolent episode with its
> President. Sean insisted that energy of each world of the MWI reduces via
> applying Born's rule and that planets will nontheless remain in orbit
> despite reductions in gravity. Sean further asserted that the phenonomen
> would remain undetected -- to which the President asked if the Sun would
> still be seen in daytime after a few iterations of this process. Sean
> replied; "Who the fuck asked you to look out the window?" AG
>
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 4:36:19 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>
>> I found some stuff about you. Not very interesting, but somewhat
>> explanatory. I gather you're subliminally jealous of my relationship with
>> Carl Sagan, but for me it's not a big deal. I have a major regret that he
>> didn't go through and publish what would have been my third citation during
>> that period. I met him (and Pollack) again during Voyager 2's Neptune
>> encounter at JPL. That was in 1989. Little did I suspect that five short
>> years later Pollack would pass away, and two years later Sagan. AG
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:46:24 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>>
>>> Do you have an advanced degree in EE? If so, from what University? Are
>>> you now retired? Just curious. AG
>>
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Re: John K. Clark

[Alan Grayson]

Did you know that Sean Carroll is moving to John Hopkins University? Rumor 
has it he was booted from Caltech after an insolent episode with its 
President. Sean insisted that energy of each world of the MWI reduces via 
applying Born's rule and that planets will nontheless remain in orbit 
despite reductions in gravity. Sean further asserted that the phenonomen 
would remain undetected -- to which the President asked if the Sun would 
still be seen in daytime after a few iterations of this process. Sean 
replied; "Who the fuck asked you to look out the window?" AG

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 4:36:19 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

> I found some stuff about you. Not very interesting, but somewhat 
> explanatory. I gather you're subliminally jealous of my relationship with 
> Carl Sagan, but for me it's not a big deal. I have a major regret that he 
> didn't go through and publish what would have been my third citation during 
> that period. I met him (and Pollack) again during Voyager 2's Neptune 
> encounter at JPL. That was in 1989. Little did I suspect that five short 
> years later Pollack would pass away, and two years later Sagan. AG
>
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:46:24 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>
>> Do you have an advanced degree in EE? If so, from what University? Are 
>> you now retired? Just curious. AG
>
>

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Re: John K. Clark

[Alan Grayson]

I found some stuff about you. Not very interesting, but somewhat 
explanatory. I gather you're subliminally jealous of my relationship with 
Carl Sagan, but for me it's not a big deal. I have a major regret that he 
didn't go through and publish what would have been my third citation during 
that period. I met him (and Pollack) again during Voyager 2's Neptune 
encounter at JPL. That was in 1989. Little did I suspect that five short 
years later Pollack would pass away, and two years later Sagan. AG

On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:46:24 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

> Do you have an advanced degree in EE? If so, from what University? Are you 
> now retired? Just curious. AG

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