Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Nov 2008, at 19:38, Brent Meeker wrote: Talk about consciousness will seem as quaint as talk about the elan vital does now. Then you are led to eliminativism of consciousness. This makes MEC+MAT trivially coherent. The price is big: consciousness does no more exist, like the

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-20 Thread Kory Heath
On Nov 19, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: So I'm puzzled as to how answer Bruno's question. In general I don't believe in zombies, but that's in the same way I don't believe my glass of water will freeze at 20degC. It's an opinion about what is likely, not what is possible.

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Nov 2008, at 22:43, Brent Meeker wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Nov 2008, at 16:06, Telmo Menezes wrote: Bruno, If no one objects, I will present MGA 2 (soon). I also agree completely and am curious to see where this is going. Please continue! Thanks Telmo, thanks also to

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Nov 2008, at 00:19, Telmo Menezes wrote: Could you alter the so-lucky cosmic explosion beam a little bit so that Alice still succeed her math exam, but is, reasonably enough, a zombie during the exam. With zombie taken in the traditional sense of Kory and Dennett. Of course you

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Kory Heath wrote: On Nov 19, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: So I'm puzzled as to how answer Bruno's question. In general I don't believe in zombies, but that's in the same way I don't believe my glass of water will freeze at 20degC. It's an opinion about what is likely, not

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-20 Thread Kory Heath
On Nov 20, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: I think you really you mean nomologically possible. I mean logically possible, but I'm happy to change it to nomologically possible for the purposes of this conversation. I think Dennett changes the question by referring to

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Kory Heath wrote: On Nov 20, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: I think you really you mean nomologically possible. I mean logically possible, but I'm happy to change it to nomologically possible for the purposes of this conversation. Doesn't the question go away if it is

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-20 Thread Kory Heath
On Nov 20, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: Doesn't the question go away if it is nomologically impossible? I'm sort of the opposite of you on this issue. You don't like to use the term logically possible, while I don't like to use the term nomologically impossible. I don't see the

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Kory Heath wrote: On Nov 20, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: Doesn't the question go away if it is nomologically impossible? I'm sort of the opposite of you on this issue. You don't like to use the term logically possible, while I don't like to use the term nomologically

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-19 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Nov 2008, at 16:06, Telmo Menezes wrote: Bruno, If no one objects, I will present MGA 2 (soon). I also agree completely and am curious to see where this is going. Please continue! Thanks Telmo, thanks also to Gordon. I will try to send MGA 2 asap.

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
Could you alter the so-lucky cosmic explosion beam a little bit so that Alice still succeed her math exam, but is, reasonably enough, a zombie during the exam. With zombie taken in the traditional sense of Kory and Dennett. Of course you have to keep well *both* MECH *and* MAT. I think I