Re: Materialists believe apparently strange things, such as that mind is matter.

2013-06-22 Thread Bruno Marchal


On 22 Jun 2013, at 03:26, Roger Clough wrote:



Materialists believe apparently strange things, such as that mind is  
matter.


What if mind is matter ?


Then mind would be quantized, and there would be particles of mind  
(psychon, as someone named it).


Comp would be false, but some other mechanist assumption would remain  
correct. Just be sure your doctor put the right psychon in the  
artificial brain.


I find comp more plausible, and as having a bigger explanatory power.  
Even for matter, I am not convinced by the particle idea.


Bruno





If mind is matter, if thought is particular, can you explain then  
how such particles think ?
Do they mull around until they vote one to be the leader, who  
organzies

the rest of the unruly mob ? And what orders does he give them ? Etc.

Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
See my Leibniz site at
http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough

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Re: Materialists believe apparently strange things, such as that mind is matter.

2013-06-22 Thread John Mikes
Bruno I admire you for responding to everything, no matter how irrelevant.
Have a pleasant summer
John

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:


 On 22 Jun 2013, at 03:26, Roger Clough wrote:


 Materialists believe apparently strange things, such as that mind is
 matter.

  What if mind is matter ?


 Then mind would be quantized, and there would be particles of mind
 (psychon, as someone named it).

 Comp would be false, but some other mechanist assumption would remain
 correct. Just be sure your doctor put the right psychon in the artificial
 brain.

 I find comp more plausible, and as having a bigger explanatory power. Even
 for matter, I am not convinced by the particle idea.

 Bruno




 If mind is matter, if thought is particular, can you explain then how such
 particles think ?
 Do they mull around until they vote one to be the leader, who organzies
 the rest of the unruly mob ? And what orders does he give them ? Etc.

  Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
 See my Leibniz site at
  http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough

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Re: Materialists believe apparently strange things, such as that mind is matter.

2013-06-22 Thread Bruno Marchal


On 22 Jun 2013, at 22:43, John Mikes wrote:

Bruno I admire you for responding to everything, no matter how  
irrelevant.

Have a pleasant summer


It is my way, I always interpret favorably, without too much attention  
of words, until I see the real discrepancies if there is one. I can  
relate with some people's talk, even when I don't follow them on some  
important other point.


Maybe I shouldn't exaggerate. Some people might think I agree  
completely, and get susceptible when I put the finger on the  
discrepancies.


I dunno ...

Best,

Bruno





John

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be  
wrote:


On 22 Jun 2013, at 03:26, Roger Clough wrote:



Materialists believe apparently strange things, such as that mind  
is matter.


What if mind is matter ?


Then mind would be quantized, and there would be particles of mind  
(psychon, as someone named it).


Comp would be false, but some other mechanist assumption would  
remain correct. Just be sure your doctor put the right psychon in  
the artificial brain.


I find comp more plausible, and as having a bigger explanatory  
power. Even for matter, I am not convinced by the particle idea.


Bruno





If mind is matter, if thought is particular, can you explain then  
how such particles think ?
Do they mull around until they vote one to be the leader, who  
organzies

the rest of the unruly mob ? And what orders does he give them ? Etc.

Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
See my Leibniz site at
http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough

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RE: Materialists believe apparently strange things, such as that mind is matter.

2013-06-21 Thread chris peck


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From: Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net
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Subject: Materialists believe apparently strange things, such as that mind is 
matter.


Materialists believe apparently strange things, such as that mind is matter.

What if mind is matter ?

If mind is matter, if thought is particular, can you explain then how such 
particles think ?
Do they mull around until they vote one to be the leader, who organzies
the rest of the unruly mob ? And what orders does he give them ? Etc.


Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
See my Leibniz site at
http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough

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