Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Mar 2011, at 03:39, Stephen Paul King wrote: From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:48 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Movie cannot think Dear Stephen, On 10 Mar 2011, at 16:27, Stephen Paul King wrote: -Original Message- From: Bruno

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-11 Thread Stephen Paul King
think On 11 Mar 2011, at 03:39, Stephen Paul King wrote: From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:48 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Movie cannot think Dear Stephen, On 10 Mar 2011, at 16:27, Stephen Paul King wrote: -Original Message

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Mar 2011, at 16:15, Stephen Paul King wrote: From: Andrew Soltau Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 7:47 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Movie cannot think On 09/03/11 16:53, Brent Meeker wrote: The appearance of change is already explained by the fact

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-11 Thread Andrew Soltau
On 10/03/11 14:10, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2011, at 13:47, Andrew Soltau wrote: All the moments exist, and as Deutsch points out, as you summarise, 'The appearance of change is already explained by the fact that there are different frames that have an implicit sequence and in which

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Mar 2011, at 13:07, Andrew Soltau wrote: On 10/03/11 14:10, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2011, at 13:47, Andrew Soltau wrote: All the moments exist, and as Deutsch points out, as you summarise, 'The appearance of change is already explained by the fact that there are different

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-10 Thread 1Z
On Mar 10, 2:16 am, stephenk stephe...@charter.net wrote: On Mar 9, 11:33 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 9, 1:24 pm, Andrew Soltau andrewsol...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/03/11 16:14, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/8/2011 3:14 AM, Andrew Soltau wrote: What I am driving at

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-10 Thread Andrew Soltau
On 09/03/11 16:53, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/9/2011 5:24 AM, Andrew Soltau wrote: On 08/03/11 16:14, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/8/2011 3:14 AM, Andrew Soltau wrote: What I am driving at here is the same question as in the email Comp. Granted that all possible states exist, what changes the

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Mar 2011, at 13:47, Andrew Soltau wrote: All the moments exist, and as Deutsch points out, as you summarise, 'The appearance of change is already explained by the fact that there are different frames that have an implicit sequence and in which the observers state is different', but

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-10 Thread Stephen Paul King
From: Andrew Soltau Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 7:47 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Movie cannot think On 09/03/11 16:53, Brent Meeker wrote: The appearance of change is already explained by the fact that there are different frames that have an implicit sequence

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-10 Thread Stephen Paul King
-Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:10 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Movie cannot think On 10 Mar 2011, at 13:47, Andrew Soltau wrote: All the moments exist, and as Deutsch points out, as you summarise, 'The appearance

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-10 Thread Brent Meeker
On 3/10/2011 7:15 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: *From:* Andrew Soltau mailto:andrewsol...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2011 7:47 AM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Movie cannot think On 09/03/11 16:53, Brent Meeker wrote

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-10 Thread Stephen Paul King
From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:48 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Movie cannot think Dear Stephen, On 10 Mar 2011, at 16:27, Stephen Paul King wrote: -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:10 AM

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-10 Thread Stephen Paul King
From: Brent Meeker Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 1:39 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Movie cannot think On 3/10/2011 7:15 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: From: Andrew Soltau Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 7:47 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-10 Thread Brent Meeker
On 3/10/2011 6:47 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: *From:* Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@dslextreme.com *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2011 1:39 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Movie cannot think On 3/10/2011 7:15 AM, Stephen Paul King

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-09 Thread Andrew Soltau
On 08/03/11 16:14, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/8/2011 3:14 AM, Andrew Soltau wrote: What I am driving at here is the same question as in the email Comp. Granted that all possible states exist, what changes the point of the present moment from one to another. My referring to 'the thinker' was

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-09 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.comwrote: On 3/8/2011 3:14 AM, Andrew Soltau wrote: What I am driving at here is the same question as in the email Comp. Granted that all possible states exist, what changes the point of the present moment from one to another.

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-09 Thread 1Z
On Mar 9, 1:24 pm, Andrew Soltau andrewsol...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/03/11 16:14, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/8/2011 3:14 AM, Andrew Soltau wrote: What I am driving at here is the same question as in the email Comp. Granted that all possible states exist, what changes the point of the

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-09 Thread 1Z
On Mar 9, 3:06 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.comwrote: On 3/8/2011 3:14 AM, Andrew Soltau wrote: What I am driving at here is the same question as in the email Comp. Granted that all possible states exist,

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-09 Thread Brent Meeker
On 3/9/2011 5:24 AM, Andrew Soltau wrote: On 08/03/11 16:14, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/8/2011 3:14 AM, Andrew Soltau wrote: What I am driving at here is the same question as in the email Comp. Granted that all possible states exist, what changes the point of the present moment from one to

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Mar 2011, at 16:06, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: On 3/8/2011 3:14 AM, Andrew Soltau wrote: What I am driving at here is the same question as in the email Comp. Granted that all possible states exist, what changes

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-09 Thread Brent Meeker
On 3/9/2011 9:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I can see why in a movie they do not, as there is no mathematical relation between the frames. OK. Nice. But they do have a relation via the thing that was filmed. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Mar 2011, at 20:51, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/9/2011 9:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I can see why in a movie they do not, as there is no mathematical relation between the frames. OK. Nice. But they do have a relation via the thing that was filmed. The point consists in showing

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-09 Thread stephenk
On Mar 9, 11:33 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 9, 1:24 pm, Andrew Soltau andrewsol...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/03/11 16:14, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/8/2011 3:14 AM, Andrew Soltau wrote: What I am driving at here is the same question as in the email Comp. Granted that all

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-08 Thread Andrew Soltau
On 06/03/11 19:45, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Mar 2011, at 14:18, Andrew Soltau wrote: On 07/02/11 15:22, Bruno Marchal wrote: I have debunked more than once on this list the idea that a movie can think. (It is an error akin to the confusion between a number and a gödel number of a number,

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-08 Thread Brent Meeker
On 3/8/2011 3:14 AM, Andrew Soltau wrote: What I am driving at here is the same question as in the email Comp. Granted that all possible states exist, what changes the point of the present moment from one to another. My referring to 'the thinker' was probably not a helpful metaphor. Given the

Re: Movie cannot think

2011-03-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Mar 2011, at 14:18, Andrew Soltau wrote: On 07/02/11 15:22, Bruno Marchal wrote: I have debunked more than once on this list the idea that a movie can think. (It is an error akin to the confusion between a number and a gödel number of a number, a confusion between a description of