Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-24 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
Responsa.
Donny did send the mils against Russian mercs hired by Putin for Wagner in 
Syria. What had Obama or Joe Joe done?Obama, and Bush43, said nothing when 
Putin went in Georgia in 2008, or the Ukraine in 2014. What help did he ever 
offer? Moreover Obo showed great weakness via his lying about the 9-11-12 
attack in Libya and blamed it on a Youtube video, when intelligence groups 
identified the plan by al qaeda. Obo refused the pentagon request to counter 
attack. 
For employment, consider that whatever good is driven out by inflation. An 
inflation first initiated by Joe & Elizabeth Warren's anti drilling policies in 
started in jan 2021. Not only using executive orders, but the bureau of land 
management to ensure this energy starvation got carried out. I am sure Putin 
took notice of this deliberate weakness and it spurred his financing for war. I 
have since ready that Joey has rescinded some of these? Time will tell.  

Bush 43, 'Job well done,' was a deliberate distraction from his deciding to let 
Osama go, because it caused fear in Saudi. Afghanistan was different as Osama 
and the leader of the Taliban literally had daughter and son marry to seal the 
agreement. Kerry '04' as prez,  would have surrendered to the Taliban. Note, 
Joey actually did in July 2021 with his withdrawal debacle. 
For anti constitutional actions I need look no further than the conspiracy of 
dem party corporate funders, academics, politicians, executive branch employees 
to identify their opposition to the 10 amendments. It's all about power with 
them, and so opposition to the "party" is termed anti-democratic. Now this is 
funny coming from the most censorious group in North America. 
For more of The Donald, please look for his epistles on Rumble, where you can 
see and hear his ululations there. Catch you there!

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On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:45 PM  wrote:


> I never expected him [Trump] to do as well as he did with unemployment,

Under the presidency of Joe Biden unemployment is now at its lowest point since 
1969.  

> The Ukrainians are no saints and neither are the Bidens

But the Russians and Donald Trump are as pure as freshly driven snow. How else 
could Trump have made a "perfect phone call" like the time he demanded the 
Ukrainian president help him smear Trump's political opponent if he wanted the 
weapons needed to defend his country from the Russians?


> So, JC, your characterization of Orangey as a Putin puppet is disproven by 
> Trumpo's actions.

Then why, to this very day, Trump has never criticized Putin, not even after 
his barbaric invasion of Ukraine that has already killed tens of thousands if 
not hundreds of thousands of people and will undoubtedly kill many more before 
it's over? Why did Trump say Putin was a "genius" and "savvy" for invading 
Ukraine?  


> He [Trump] thought we should have taken over and sold Iraqi oil under Bush43 
> for compensation for getting rid of Saddam.

And he foolishly thought, and apparently you do too, that such an idiotic 
policy could be maintained indefinitely without shedding oceans of blood from 
American soldiers.


> Donaldo is not my 1st choice for 24, by the way...

So you must've found somebody even stupider, even more xenophobic and 
nationalistic, and even more contemptuous of democracy and the US Constitution 
than Trump. I congratulate you, finding such a person would not be easy. 
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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-24 Thread John Clark 
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:45 PM  wrote:

*> I never expected him [Trump] to do as well as he did with unemployment,*


Under the presidency of Joe Biden unemployment is now at its lowest point
since 1969.

*> The Ukrainians are no saints and neither are the Bidens*


But the Russians and Donald Trump are as pure as freshly driven snow. How
else could Trump have made a "perfect phone call" like the time he demanded
the Ukrainian president help him smear Trump's political opponent if he
wanted the weapons needed to defend his country from the Russians?

*> So, JC, your characterization of Orangey as a Putin puppet is disproven
> by Trumpo's actions.*


Then why, to this very day, Trump has never criticized Putin, not even
after his barbaric invasion of Ukraine that has already killed tens of
thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people and will undoubtedly kill
many more before it's over? Why did Trump say Putin was a "genius" and
"savvy" for invading Ukraine?

*> He* [Trump] *thought we should have taken over and sold Iraqi oil under
> Bush43 for compensation for getting rid of Saddam.*
>

And he foolishly thought, and apparently you do too, that such an idiotic
policy could be maintained indefinitely without shedding oceans of blood
from American soldiers.

*> Donaldo is not my 1st choice for 24, by the way.*..
>

So you must've found somebody even stupider, even more xenophobic and
nationalistic, and even more contemptuous of democracy and the US
Constitution than Trump. I congratulate you, finding such a person would
not be easy.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-21 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
Last, first, JC. There were things about him that I liked immediately. He was 
asked by a reporter from NBC when he announced his campaign in 2015, about 
money buying politicians. He replied, "You give them money they'll do whatever 
you want." That blunt honesty was amazing for me, because it explained 
everything that happened in DC for decades. He was so refreshing compared to 
racist, self righteous, Obama, that clicked for me. It also give word, flesh, 
as related to the Princeton study of 2014.
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
I never expected him to do as well as he did with unemployment, The Border, the 
middle east, after everyone told him no way. He did shoot his mouth off with 
tweets but was good at hitting back against the dems who simply are good with a 
dictatorship as long as it doesn't affect them personally via inflation, 
employment, crime, freedom of speech. 
On your points, yes Trumpo loved to squeeze back on what he considered America 
getting screwed.He thought we should have taken over and sold Iraqi oil under 
Bush43 for compensation for getting rid of Saddam.He bitched at and called out 
Merkel who for 16 years made pals with Putin by buying his gas and funding his 
military. 
The Ukrainians are no saints and neither are the Bidens, taking bribes from the 
Ukraine, Russia, and China, with Hunter and Joe's brother being the bag men. 
Hunter does have a preference for expensive prostitutes but this is a remark on 
my part, not a condemnation. On Trump and Putin, Trump always tried to butter 
Vlad's ass in order (my assessment) to keep the door open and not as Khrushchev 
said during the Cuban Missile Crisis "to tie the knot tighter." 
The Afghanistan thing was always with the Taliban, a nuanced deal. He could go, 
but not without an observed, cessation of violence. Example, is that Trump ok'd 
the bombing of Putin's mercenaries in Syria when they were attacking. 
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html
https://www.newsweek.com/total-f-russian-mercenaries-syria-lament-us-strike-killed-dozens-818073
So, JC, your characterization of Orangey as a Putin puppet is disproven by 
Trumpo's actions. Biden, well, I suspect that he took orders on foreign policy 
directly from Obama regarding the debacle in Afghanistan 2021, and the failed 
Ayatollah nuke deal, which will likely cause nuclear war, tween the holy 
ayatollahs and Israel. Some scientists say that even a small nuke war would 
cause nuclear winter, so we may find this out? 
https://www.axios.com/leaked-document-reveals-bidens-afghan-failures-c27d790c-3a50-4734-8543-7db710898bb2.html

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/politics/biden-overrules-advisers-afghanistan-withdrawal/index.html

Don's digs were sometimes really funny, but the main reason is that I felt if 
Comrade Xi or Putin attacked, Donny would retaliate. For your peeps, not so 
much. Witness-
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nuclear-usa-announcement/obama-limits-u-s-use-of-nuclear-arms-idUSTRE6352YK20100406

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/06/world/06arms.html

Then, later on 
overseas..https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/allies-unite-to-block-an-obama-legacy/2016/08/14/cdb8d8e4-60b9-11e6-8e45-477372e89d78_story.html

Thus, is a world filled with people who want to get to heaven over our dead 
bodies, or see nothing beyond the limits of their party ideology, the dems 
ain't making it! On your team, even though you'll wince at this, I could see me 
supporting Manchin on energy over zero availability of mass solar that the dems 
keep promising without doing, or Tulsi Gabbard who would strike back against 
Xi, Putin, or some other nazi?
For El Donaldo, he keeps yakking about stolen elections, and I keep asking 
where's the evidence? If the courts won't hear it the public still could! This 
depends only if Ballot Harvesting was corrupt and was just a way of Ballot Box 
Box Tammany Hall 19th century Fraud??
Donaldo is not my 1st choice for 24, by the way...
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On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 6:26 PM  wrote:


> Biden gave 1000's of Javs to the Ukrainians

Yes, and unlike Trump Biden did it without demanding that the Ukrainian 
president "do me a favor"  before he got any Javelins so Ukraine could defend 
itself from Russia. Trump insisted that Zelenskyy dig up dirt on his political 
opponent, or rather PUBLICLY announce that he was going to dig up dirt on his 
political opponent; Trump made it clear there was no need for Ukraine to actual 
do any investigation, just an announcement would be sufficient provided it was 
done publicly.



> but there was no Ukraine invasion under Trumpy.

Bullshit! The Russo-Ukrainian War started in 2014 when Ru

Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-21 Thread John Clark 
On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 6:26 PM  wrote:

*> Biden gave 1000's of Javs to the Ukrainians*
>

Yes, and unlike Trump Biden did it without demanding that the Ukrainian
president "do me a favor"  before he got any Javelins so Ukraine could
defend itself from Russia. Trump insisted that Zelenskyy dig up dirt on his
political opponent, or rather PUBLICLY announce that he was going to dig up
dirt on his political opponent; Trump made it clear there was no need for
Ukraine to actual do any investigation, just an announcement would be
sufficient provided it was done publicly.


*> but there was no Ukraine invasion under Trumpy.*
>

Bullshit! The Russo-Ukrainian War started in 2014 when Russia invaded
Crimea and the Donetsk region, both are parts of Ukraine. Ukraine resisted
with force, since then it had been a low intensity war, about one Ukrainian
was killed by a Russian soldier every three days, and Russia has been
relentless in its cyber attacks on Ukraine. The war went into high gear
when Russia invaded all of Ukraine on February 24, 2022,  and the death
toll jumped to the tens of thousands of Ukrainian dead, and not just
soldiers, civilians too. And yet TO THIS DAY Trump has refused to criticize
his buddy Vladimir Putin, in fact even AFTER  February 24 he called Putin a
"genius" and "savy" for having invaded Ukraine. Maybe when Trump focuses
his very dim mind on Putin he does seem like a genius by comparison, but
when anybody of even average intelligence looks at Putin and his February
24 decision all he sees is a dumbass.


> * > Vlad looked at Biden's withdrawal in Afghanistan, and was able to
> conjure up a weakling policy that offered a real opportunity.*
>

Trump had long publicly advocated that the US get out of Afghanistan, but
even after being president for 4 years he never had the guts to actually do
it because he knew there is just no getting around the fact that when you
officially lose a war it looks very bad, so he decided to let his successor
clean up the mess.

Spud, I just don't understand why you and other members of Trump's cult of
personality feel it is their sacred duty to twist themselves into logical
and ethical contortions to defend everything that their guru does and says.
Is Trump's "comic timing" really *THAT* good?

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-20 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
Biden gave 1000's of Javs to the Ukrainians but there was no Ukraine invasion 
under Trumpy. Vlad looked at Biden's withdrawal in Afghanistan, and was able to 
conjure up a weakling policy that offered a real opportunity. It's like with 
the Nazis, they couldn't do WW2 in 1935 when the remilitarized the Rhineland, 
but hadn't the weaponry ready to face down Chamberlain in 1938, and sign the 
Non-Aggression Pact on August 23rd, 1939, and both Stalin and Adolf invaded 
Poland in September. This, which is easy to do, is Vlad's model of action in 
the Ukraine. It is also the history of wars and imperialism down the centuries, 
so Adolf was no rarity, sad to note. 
If you are so gainful of Trumpo being Bad-O, then acknowledge the dealings 
tween a Rus oligarch for 3.5 mil US, and the endless flow of Cash from Xi to 
the Bidens?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/unraveling-the-tale-of-hunter-biden-and-2435-million-from-russia/ar-AAVZq4Y
You are now right to ask this: Were both Trumpo and Joey using his family as 
bag persons from Putin and Xi to them? For now, unless you come up with some 
evidence, the focus is all on Hunter and Joe's brother, currently. Corruption 
is always possible with any leader, though less motivation for Donny. 
Please make note, I am not looking for perfectly honest, honorable people in 
office. Just, less of leaders that mess with our lives and don't let the rich 
rule us all. This is my goal then, the 2019 Project, a paean to the Bourgeoisie 
of the world, you have only the stranglehold of the Uber Rich to lose, 
comrades! At the barricades!

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Sent: Mon, Apr 18, 2022 6:37 am
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

Spud, do you even read the links you post with such abandon? Your first link 
refers to an article in the New York Times, a newspaper that you claimed the 
day before was absolutely terrible. And the next two links just referred back 
to the New York Times article and parroted what it said.  And Spud, in the past 
month Biden has given Ukraine thousands of Javelin missiles and did so with no 
strings attached; but when Volodymyr Zelenskyy begged Trump to give him a few 
Javelins Trump said he would but he needed Zelenskyy to "do him a favor" first, 
he needed him to publicly announce that he was starting an investigation of one 
of Trump's political opponents, he didn't actually have to do any 
investigating, he just had to announce he was going to do so and say it 
publicly. You said you don't like corrupt politicians so why the hell do you 
like Trump, is "comic timing" really that important to you?!  

> May the Easter Donald not haunt your dreams

Unfortunately until the man assumes room temperature there is no chance of 
that.  
John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
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On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 9:21 AM  wrote:

I do remember that when Capn' Bonespurs back in 2018, John, did conflict with 
Putin's troops, when they were hired in as mercs for Assad in Syria, (Wagner), 
and the US was ordered to fight back in force. We won that battle! Please 
review at your leisure. 
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-reportedly-bragged-about-a-classified-battle-in-syria-2018-5
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/13/russian-mercenaries-killed-us-airstrikes-syria
The obvious conclusion JC is that no, Capn' Bonespurs did NOT back away from 
Putin's Bullying, but that Biden, Obama, and Yes, Bush43 did. JC if you won't 
give the devil his due, one ignores that capabilities of one's enemies. Yes, 
avoiding a burgeoning nuclear holocaust is understandable, back then, and 
today. This was behind my ugly idea of having the Russians re-nuke Cuba or 
Cub-er as Kennedy said. Probably a crazy-bad idea, but it was giving Vlad the 
Impaler an out with the Russian people. Yes, there are downsides to this, like 
what if Putin starts up again and there's hypersonics in Cub-er? My thought is 
we're just as dead anyway and as long as we can successfully retaliate, what 
difference does it make, as Mama Clinton once uttered? 
May the Easter Donald not haunt your dreams as he does with every democrat! 
Amen. 


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On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 8:16 PM  wrote:


> You are notoriously erratic and moody!

No I'm not!  Well OK maybe I am No I'm not!

> I liked some of the things Trump did, I was so-so on other things. I'm a hard 
> guy to please. I did love his comedic timing

TO HELL WITH COMEDIC TIMING!! I'm talking about the cause of the Fermi Paradox 
while you're talking about the silly comedy

Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It. "Come in Telmo! America to Telmo!!"

2022-04-18 Thread Telmo Menezes 


Am Mo, 18. Apr 2022, um 13:29, schrieb spudboy...@aol.com:
> Much thanks Telmo for your informative reply. At this level of society, for I 
> suspect neither of us are "elites," it's important to trade information, 
> scientific for sure, but also societal, too,

I agree!

Telmo

> as this *Black Swan* event that Putin started years ago, and made 10 X worse 
> this February.  
> 
> Much thanks,
> 
> Mitch
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Telmo Menezes 
> To: Everything List 
> Sent: Sun, Apr 17, 2022 12:09 pm
> Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It. "Come 
> in Telmo! America to Telmo!!"
> 
> 
> Am So, 17. Apr 2022, um 16:17, schrieb spudboy100 via Everything List:
>> 
>> I am asking Telmo to sort of give back with a short sense of what you feel 
>> and think about Sweden deciding to join NATO. This would include Finland as 
>> well, despite Putin's threats. This is an open placation so anyone can 
>> answer, but it'd be better than a Yank coughing out our ideologies. Anyone 
>> from the EU or anywhere else is sure welcome to give forth opinions on this. 
>> Where does this leave you and your family and friends? With regard to Putin, 
>> what do you need?  
> 
> I'm not sure that my opinion matters, or if it is representative of anything, 
> but here it goes:
> 
> I'm completely in favor of Sweden and Finland joining NATO. In fact, I always 
> saw them as "de facto" members. They are both member states of the EU, so I 
> believe that a direct aggression to any of these countries by Russia would 
> mean direct military engagement of the west, NATO or no NATO. There's no way 
> France, for example, would just stand buy and watch Putin bite a chunk out of 
> the EU. And I believe Putin believes the same.
> 
> To be honest, until recently I assumed that Sweden and Finland were not NATO 
> members for cultural reasons. Perhaps a certain Nordic sense of independence. 
> I now realize that this was mostly an appeasement strategy toward Russia. In 
> this case I am still in favor of them joining, because I do not believe 
> anymore that Putin can be appeased.
> 
> To be honest, I am much more worried about Ukraine joining the EU hastily. It 
> is a huge country and I suspect it is still quite far away from economic and 
> even cultural alignment with the EU. I mean, let's be honest, they have a 
> neonazi gang as an official government force (the Azov battalion). I believe 
> that granting them membership to early could put the EU project under immense 
> stress (of the sort already posed by Hungary, but to a much larger degree) -- 
> this possibly combined with the perfect storm of the German economy 
> collapsing in the face of the unavoidable step of suspending all gas imports 
> from Russia and the possible election of Le Pen in France (which could mean 
> that the EU would then have one of its most powerful member states working 
> against its interests from the inside).
> 
> At the same time, perhaps this is just one of those moments were History will 
> not wait and the only option is to rise to the occasion. It is also true that 
> the EU seems to grow from each crisis it survives.
> 
> More generally, I think that all of us (the west), with all of our flaws, 
> represent a way of life that is opposed by the powerful dictatorships of 
> Russia and China. If we value and wish to protect this way of life, we must 
> stick together and be smart.
> 
> 
>> 
>> Caveat: I will probably respond to your thoughts on all this, though I will 
>> try to do so respectfully, which will be a first for me. My reason is I feel 
>> I need a different perspective from people living closer to the fighting.
> 
> Of course.
> 
> I don't feel like I am "close to the fighting" in any way. There's still 
> Poland between me and the war. I am living my perfectly normal life. Perhaps 
> I just feel a bit more grateful than usual for this normalcy.
> 
> The only way in which I feel close to the events is by the presence of 
> refugees in my neighborhood. Many cars with Ukrainian license plates around. 
> A hotel around the corner from my house has been turned into a temporary 
> refugee center. A lot of people donate food, clothes, etc. Some of them like 
> to play table tennis with the locals in the park nearby.
> 
>> Otherwise, please continue with quantum modal realism and if Alice & Bob 
>> teleport between London and Moscow, will they be arrested by the FSB? 
> 
> Yes and no. :)
> 
> Be well spud (and everyone else!)
> T.
> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>&

Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It. "Come in Telmo! America to Telmo!!"

2022-04-18 Thread Telmo Menezes 
gt;> 
>> Of course.
>> 
>> I don't feel like I am "close to the fighting" in any way. There's still 
>> Poland between me and the war. I am living my perfectly normal life. Perhaps 
>> I just feel a bit more grateful than usual for this normalcy.
>> 
>> The only way in which I feel close to the events is by the presence of 
>> refugees in my neighborhood. Many cars with Ukrainian license plates around. 
>> A hotel around the corner from my house has been turned into a temporary 
>> refugee center. A lot of people donate food, clothes, etc. Some of them like 
>> to play table tennis with the locals in the park nearby.
>> 
>>> Otherwise, please continue with quantum modal realism and if Alice & Bob 
>>> teleport between London and Moscow, will they be arrested by the FSB? 
>> 
>> Yes and no. :)
>> 
>> Be well spud (and everyone else!)
>> T.
>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: John Clark 
>>> To: spudboy...@aol.com
>>> Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com ; 
>>> meekerbr...@gmail.com 
>>> Sent: Sun, Apr 17, 2022 6:28 am
>>> Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 7:59 PM  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> *> Rather than deny my assertions you have reinforced them JC. Stalin 
>>>> cannot hurt you if one is Stalin.*
>>> 
>>> Stalin cannot hurt you if Stalin is dead, and there can be no doubt that 
>>> Stalin has reached thermal equilibrium with his environment. This dictator 
>>> is no more. He has ceased to be. He's expired and gone to meet his maker. 
>>> He's a stiff. Bereft of life, he rests in peace. He's pushing up the 
>>> daisies. His metabolic processes are now history. He's kicked the bucket. 
>>> He shuffled off this mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the 
>>> bleedin choir invisible! THIS IS AN EX-DICTATOR!!
>>> 
>>>  
>>>> *> I would go so far as to say that sans, Barrack, Donald would never have 
>>>> taken off.*
>>> 
>>> That's probably true, backlash put Donald in power because there were two 
>>> things about Obama that most Republicans could never forgive, his skin was 
>>> black, and there was a "D" next to his name not an "R".
>>> 
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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It. "Come in Telmo! America to Telmo!!"

2022-04-18 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
The Russian excuse has some truth of neonazis. Look up Ukraine-Bandera if 
anyone gets a chance?
The neonazis are large in Mother Russia as 
well.https://www.thedailybeast.com/wagners-rusich-neo-nazi-attack-unit-hints-its-going-back-into-ukraine-undercover
There's neonazis in the US too, (Duh!) and have evidently volunteered to Russia 
and Ukraine to gain war experience to use back 
here!https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/03/14/neo-nazi-ukraine-war/

Putin's excuse was goose steppers, but it's his exploitation of the weakness of 
the US, EU, everyone else, that generated his actions. 
Ok thanks all!
For this Rep Fascist (Rep-Fa?) I will goose step down to the supermarket to 
purchase some goods possibly imported from the 3rd world by imperialist forces. 
Maybe, I shall hum the Horst Wessel Lied while I get some more coffee pods? 
Meanwhile, lets all consider some ways to dodge Vlad's nukes as in brain power 
suggestions? We're supposed to be brainy? Let's be brainy enough to push 
against this existential problem. 


-Original Message-
From: Brent Meeker 
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, Apr 17, 2022 9:17 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It. "Come in 
Telmo! America to Telmo!!"

 
 
 On 4/17/2022 9:09 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
  
 
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p.yiv1015067542MsoNoSpacing{margin:0;}#yiv1015067542 p.yiv1015067542MsoNormal, 
#yiv1015067542 p.yiv1015067542MsoNoSpacing{margin:0;}Am So, 17. Apr 2022, um 
16:17, schrieb spudboy100 via Everything List:
  
  
  I am asking Telmo to sort of give back with a short sense of what you feel 
and think about Sweden deciding to join NATO. This would include Finland as 
well, despite Putin's threats. This is an open placation so anyone can answer, 
but it'd be better than a Yank coughing out our ideologies. Anyone from the EU 
or anywhere else is sure welcome to give forth opinions on this. Where does 
this leave you and your family and friends? With regard to Putin, what do you 
need?  
   
 
  I'm not sure that my opinion matters, or if it is representative of anything, 
but here it goes:
  
  I'm completely in favor of Sweden and Finland joining NATO. In fact, I always 
saw them as "de facto" members. They are both member states of the EU, so I 
believe that a direct aggression to any of these countries by Russia would mean 
direct military engagement of the west, NATO or no NATO. There's no way France, 
for example, would just stand buy and watch Putin bite a chunk out of the EU. 
And I believe Putin believes the same.
  
  To be honest, until recently I assumed that Sweden and Finland were not NATO 
members for cultural reasons. Perhaps a certain Nordic sense of independence. I 
now realize that this was mostly an appeasement strategy toward Russia. In this 
case I am still in favor of them joining, because I do not believe anymore that 
Putin can be appeased.
  
 I wonder if the Finns would like to take back the territory Russia took from 
them in the 1940 Winter War?
 
 
 
  To be honest, I am much more worried about Ukraine joining the EU hastily. It 
is a huge country and I suspect it is still quite far away from economic and 
even cultural alignment with the EU. I mean, let's be honest, they have a 
neonazi gang as an official government force (the Azov battalion).  
 
 How is that consistent with electing a Jew president?  I realize the Jews in 
Ukraine were persecuted under Stalin and many emigrated to Israel when the USSR 
collapsed.  But is this neo-nazism real or is Putin's propaganda?
 
 Brent
 
 
 I believe that granting them membership to early could put the EU project 
under immense stress (of the sort already posed by Hungary, but to a much 
larger degree) -- this possibly combined with the perfect storm of the German 
economy collapsing in the face of the unavoidable step of suspending all gas 
imports from Russia and the possible election of Le Pen in France (which could 
mean that the EU would then have one of its most powerful member states working 
against its interests from the inside).
  
  At the same time, perhaps this is just one of those moments were History will 
not wait and the only option is to rise to the occasion. It is also true that 
the EU seems to grow from each crisis it survives.
  
  More generally, I think that all of us (the west), with all of our flaws, 
represent a way of life that is opposed by the powerful dictatorships of Russia 
and China. If we value and wish to protect this way of life, we must stick 
together and be smart.
  
  
  
  
  Caveat: I will probably respond to your thoughts on all this, though I will 
try to do so respectfully, which will be a first for me. My reason is I feel I 
need a different perspective from people living closer to the fighting.
   
 
  Of course.
  
  I don't feel like I am "close to the fighting" in any way. There's still 
Poland between

Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It. "Come in Telmo! America to Telmo!!"

2022-04-18 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
Much thanks Telmo for your informative reply. At this level of society, for I 
suspect neither of us are "elites," it's important to trade information, 
scientific for sure, but also societal, too, as this Black Swan event that 
Putin started years ago, and made 10 X worse this February. 
Much thanks,
Mitch


-Original Message-
From: Telmo Menezes 
To: Everything List 
Sent: Sun, Apr 17, 2022 12:09 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It. "Come in 
Telmo! America to Telmo!!"

#yiv6638211720 p.yiv6638211720MsoNormal, #yiv6638211720 
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#yiv6638211720 p.yiv6638211720MsoNoSpacing{margin:0;}Am So, 17. Apr 2022, um 
16:17, schrieb spudboy100 via Everything List:


I am asking Telmo to sort of give back with a short sense of what you feel and 
think about Sweden deciding to join NATO. This would include Finland as well, 
despite Putin's threats. This is an open placation so anyone can answer, but 
it'd be better than a Yank coughing out our ideologies. Anyone from the EU or 
anywhere else is sure welcome to give forth opinions on this. Where does this 
leave you and your family and friends? With regard to Putin, what do you need?  


I'm not sure that my opinion matters, or if it is representative of anything, 
but here it goes:

I'm completely in favor of Sweden and Finland joining NATO. In fact, I always 
saw them as "de facto" members. They are both member states of the EU, so I 
believe that a direct aggression to any of these countries by Russia would mean 
direct military engagement of the west, NATO or no NATO. There's no way France, 
for example, would just stand buy and watch Putin bite a chunk out of the EU. 
And I believe Putin believes the same.

To be honest, until recently I assumed that Sweden and Finland were not NATO 
members for cultural reasons. Perhaps a certain Nordic sense of independence. I 
now realize that this was mostly an appeasement strategy toward Russia. In this 
case I am still in favor of them joining, because I do not believe anymore that 
Putin can be appeased.

To be honest, I am much more worried about Ukraine joining the EU hastily. It 
is a huge country and I suspect it is still quite far away from economic and 
even cultural alignment with the EU. I mean, let's be honest, they have a 
neonazi gang as an official government force (the Azov battalion). I believe 
that granting them membership to early could put the EU project under immense 
stress (of the sort already posed by Hungary, but to a much larger degree) -- 
this possibly combined with the perfect storm of the German economy collapsing 
in the face of the unavoidable step of suspending all gas imports from Russia 
and the possible election of Le Pen in France (which could mean that the EU 
would then have one of its most powerful member states working against its 
interests from the inside).

At the same time, perhaps this is just one of those moments were History will 
not wait and the only option is to rise to the occasion. It is also true that 
the EU seems to grow from each crisis it survives.

More generally, I think that all of us (the west), with all of our flaws, 
represent a way of life that is opposed by the powerful dictatorships of Russia 
and China. If we value and wish to protect this way of life, we must stick 
together and be smart.




Caveat: I will probably respond to your thoughts on all this, though I will try 
to do so respectfully, which will be a first for me. My reason is I feel I need 
a different perspective from people living closer to the fighting.


Of course.

I don't feel like I am "close to the fighting" in any way. There's still Poland 
between me and the war. I am living my perfectly normal life. Perhaps I just 
feel a bit more grateful than usual for this normalcy.

The only way in which I feel close to the events is by the presence of refugees 
in my neighborhood. Many cars with Ukrainian license plates around. A hotel 
around the corner from my house has been turned into a temporary refugee 
center. A lot of people donate food, clothes, etc. Some of them like to play 
table tennis with the locals in the park nearby.


 Otherwise, please continue with quantum modal realism and if Alice & Bob 
teleport between London and Moscow, will they be arrested by the FSB? 


Yes and no. :)

Be well spud (and everyone else!)
T.


Thanks!



-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: spudboy...@aol.com
Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com ; 
meekerbr...@gmail.com 
Sent: Sun, Apr 17, 2022 6:28 am
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.


On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 7:59 PM  wrote:


> Rather than deny my assertions you have reinforced them JC. Stalin cannot 
> hurt you if one is Stalin.


Stalin cannot hurt you if Stalin is dead, and there can be no doubt that Stalin 
has reached thermal equilibr

Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-18 Thread John Clark 
Spud, do you even read the links you post with such abandon? Your first
link refers to an article in the New York Times, a newspaper that you
claimed the day before was absolutely terrible. And the next two links just
referred back to the New York Times article and parroted what it said.  And
Spud, in the past month Biden has given Ukraine thousands of Javelin
missiles and did so with no strings attached; but when Volodymyr Zelenskyy
begged Trump to give him a few Javelins Trump said he would but he needed
Zelenskyy to "do him a favor" first, he needed him to* publicly *announce
that he was starting an investigation of one of Trump's political
opponents, he didn't actually have to do any investigating, he just had to
announce he was going to do so and say it* publicly*. You said you don't
like corrupt politicians so why the hell do you like Trump, is "comic
timing" really that important to you?!

*> May the Easter Donald not haunt your dreams*


Unfortunately until the man assumes room temperature there is no chance of
that.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
rtt





On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 9:21 AM  wrote:

> I do remember that when Capn' Bonespurs back in 2018, John, did conflict
> with Putin's troops, when they were hired in as mercs for Assad in Syria,
> (Wagner), and the US was ordered to fight back in force. We won that
> battle! Please review at your leisure.
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html
>
>
> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-reportedly-bragged-about-a-classified-battle-in-syria-2018-5
>
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/13/russian-mercenaries-killed-us-airstrikes-syria
>
> The obvious conclusion JC is that no, Capn' Bonespurs did NOT back away
> from Putin's Bullying, but that Biden, Obama, and Yes, Bush43 did. JC if
> you won't give the devil his due, one ignores that capabilities of one's
> enemies. Yes, avoiding a burgeoning nuclear holocaust is understandable,
> back then, and today. This was behind my ugly idea of having the Russians
> re-nuke Cuba or Cub-er as Kennedy said. Probably a crazy-bad idea, but it
> was giving Vlad the Impaler an out with the Russian people. Yes, there are
> downsides to this, like what if Putin starts up again and there's
> hypersonics in Cub-er? My thought is we're just as dead anyway and as long
> as we can successfully retaliate, what difference does it make, as Mama
> Clinton once uttered?
>
> May the Easter Donald not haunt your dreams as he does with every
> democrat! Amen.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Clark 
> To: spudboy...@aol.com
> Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Sun, Apr 17, 2022 6:03 am
> Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 8:16 PM  wrote:
>
> > *You are notoriously erratic and moody!*
>
>
> No I'm not!  Well OK maybe I am No I'm not!
>
> *> I liked some of the things Trump did, I was so-so on other things. I'm
> a hard guy to please. I did love his comedic timing*
>
>
> TO HELL WITH COMEDIC TIMING!! I'm talking about the cause of the Fermi
> Paradox while you're talking about the silly comedy routine of a man who
> has control of thousands of Thermonuclear bombs and on a whim could kill
> you, and everybody you know, and civilization, in the next 20 minutes.
> Volodymyr Zelenskyy was a professional comedian but when Russia invaded his
> country he knew it was time to get serious, and so he will always be
> remembered as more like Winston Churchill than Jerry Lewis. Can you imagine
> Captain Bonespurs refusing to run away and deciding to risk his life by
> fighting for his country as Zelenskyy has done? I can't.
>
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
>
> cbs
>
>
>

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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It. "Come in Telmo! America to Telmo!!"

2022-04-18 Thread John Clark 
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 9:17 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

*>  is this neo-nazism real or is Putin's propaganda?*


I'm sure there are neo-Nazis in Ukraine, there are plenty in the USA too.
And for every American Nazi there are 10 that, if not out and out Nazis,
are what I would diplomatically call "Nazi curious"; just look at QAnon and
its doppelgänger the Republican party.
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>
> On 4/17/2022 9:09 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
> Am So, 17. Apr 2022, um 16:17, schrieb spudboy100 via Everything List:
>
>
> I am asking Telmo to sort of give back with a short sense of what you feel
> and think about Sweden deciding to join NATO. This would include Finland as
> well, despite Putin's threats. This is an open placation so anyone can
> answer, but it'd be better than a Yank coughing out our ideologies. Anyone
> from the EU or anywhere else is sure welcome to give forth opinions on
> this. Where does this leave you and your family and friends? With regard to
> Putin, what do you need?
>
>
> I'm not sure that my opinion matters, or if it is representative of
> anything, but here it goes:
>
> I'm completely in favor of Sweden and Finland joining NATO. In fact, I
> always saw them as "de facto" members. They are both member states of the
> EU, so I believe that a direct aggression to any of these countries by
> Russia would mean direct military engagement of the west, NATO or no NATO.
> There's no way France, for example, would just stand buy and watch Putin
> bite a chunk out of the EU. And I believe Putin believes the same.
>
> To be honest, until recently I assumed that Sweden and Finland were not
> NATO members for cultural reasons. Perhaps a certain Nordic sense of
> independence. I now realize that this was mostly an appeasement strategy
> toward Russia. In this case I am still in favor of them joining, because I
> do not believe anymore that Putin can be appeased.
>
>
> I wonder if the Finns would like to take back the territory Russia took
> from them in the 1940 Winter War?
>
>
> To be honest, I am much more worried about Ukraine joining the EU hastily.
> It is a huge country and I suspect it is still quite far away from economic
> and even cultural alignment with the EU. I mean, let's be honest, they have
> a neonazi gang as an official government force (the Azov battalion).
>
>
> How is that consistent with electing a Jew president?  I realize the Jews
> in Ukraine were persecuted under Stalin and many emigrated to Israel when
> the USSR collapsed.  But is this neo-nazism real or is Putin's propaganda?
>
> Brent
>
> I believe that granting them membership to early could put the EU project
> under immense stress (of the sort already posed by Hungary, but to a much
> larger degree) -- this possibly combined with the perfect storm of the
> German economy collapsing in the face of the unavoidable step of suspending
> all gas imports from Russia and the possible election of Le Pen in France
> (which could mean that the EU would then have one of its most powerful
> member states working against its interests from the inside).
>
> At the same time, perhaps this is just one of those moments were History
> will not wait and the only option is to rise to the occasion. It is also
> true that the EU seems to grow from each crisis it survives.
>
> More generally, I think that all of us (the west), with all of our flaws,
> represent a way of life that is opposed by the powerful dictatorships of
> Russia and China. If we value and wish to protect this way of life, we must
> stick together and be smart.
>
>
>
> Caveat: I will probably respond to your thoughts on all this, though I
> will try to do so respectfully, which will be a first for me. My reason is
> I feel I need a different perspective from people living closer to the
> fighting.
>
>
> Of course.
>
> I don't feel like I am "close to the fighting" in any way. There's still
> Poland between me and the war. I am living my perfectly normal life.
> Perhaps I just feel a bit more grateful than usual for this normalcy.
>
> The only way in which I feel close to the events is by the presence of
> refugees in my neighborhood. Many cars with Ukrainian license plates
> around. A hotel around the corner from my house has been turned into a
> temporary refugee center. A lot of people donate food, clothes, etc. Some
> of them like to play table tennis with the locals in the park nearby.
>
> Otherwise, please continue with quantum modal realism and if Alice & Bob
> teleport between London and Moscow, will they be arrested by the FSB?
>
>
> Yes and no. :)
>
> Be well s

Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It. "Come in Telmo! America to Telmo!!"

2022-04-17 Thread Brent Meeker 



On 4/17/2022 9:09 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:

Am So, 17. Apr 2022, um 16:17, schrieb spudboy100 via Everything List:


I am asking Telmo to sort of give back with a short sense of what you 
feel and think about Sweden deciding to join NATO. This would include 
Finland as well, despite Putin's threats. This is an open placation 
so anyone can answer, but it'd be better than a Yank coughing out our 
ideologies. Anyone from the EU or anywhere else is sure welcome to 
give forth opinions on this. Where does this leave you and your 
family and friends? With regard to Putin, what do you need?


I'm not sure that my opinion matters, or if it is representative of 
anything, but here it goes:


I'm completely in favor of Sweden and Finland joining NATO. In fact, I 
always saw them as "de facto" members. They are both member states of 
the EU, so I believe that a direct aggression to any of these 
countries by Russia would mean direct military engagement of the west, 
NATO or no NATO. There's no way France, for example, would just stand 
buy and watch Putin bite a chunk out of the EU. And I believe Putin 
believes the same.


To be honest, until recently I assumed that Sweden and Finland were 
not NATO members for cultural reasons. Perhaps a certain Nordic sense 
of independence. I now realize that this was mostly an appeasement 
strategy toward Russia. In this case I am still in favor of them 
joining, because I do not believe anymore that Putin can be appeased.


I wonder if the Finns would like to take back the territory Russia took 
from them in the 1940 Winter War?




To be honest, I am much more worried about Ukraine joining the EU 
hastily. It is a huge country and I suspect it is still quite far away 
from economic and even cultural alignment with the EU. I mean, let's 
be honest, they have a neonazi gang as an official government force 
(the Azov battalion).


How is that consistent with electing a Jew president?  I realize the 
Jews in Ukraine were persecuted under Stalin and many emigrated to 
Israel when the USSR collapsed.  But is this neo-nazism real or is 
Putin's propaganda?


Brent

I believe that granting them membership to early could put the EU 
project under immense stress (of the sort already posed by Hungary, 
but to a much larger degree) -- this possibly combined with the 
perfect storm of the German economy collapsing in the face of the 
unavoidable step of suspending all gas imports from Russia and the 
possible election of Le Pen in France (which could mean that the EU 
would then have one of its most powerful member states working against 
its interests from the inside).


At the same time, perhaps this is just one of those moments were 
History will not wait and the only option is to rise to the occasion. 
It is also true that the EU seems to grow from each crisis it survives.


More generally, I think that all of us (the west), with all of our 
flaws, represent a way of life that is opposed by the powerful 
dictatorships of Russia and China. If we value and wish to protect 
this way of life, we must stick together and be smart.





Caveat: I will probably respond to your thoughts on all this, though 
I will try to do so respectfully, which will be a first for me. My 
reason is I feel I need a different perspective from people living 
closer to the fighting.


Of course.

I don't feel like I am "close to the fighting" in any way. There's 
still Poland between me and the war. I am living my perfectly normal 
life. Perhaps I just feel a bit more grateful than usual for this 
normalcy.


The only way in which I feel close to the events is by the presence of 
refugees in my neighborhood. Many cars with Ukrainian license plates 
around. A hotel around the corner from my house has been turned into a 
temporary refugee center. A lot of people donate food, clothes, etc. 
Some of them like to play table tennis with the locals in the park nearby.


Otherwise, please continue with quantum modal realism and if Alice & 
Bob teleport between London and Moscow, will they be arrested by the 
FSB?


Yes and no. :)

Be well spud (and everyone else!)
T.


Thanks!



-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: spudboy...@aol.com
Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
; meekerbr...@gmail.com 


Sent: Sun, Apr 17, 2022 6:28 am
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.


On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 7:59 PM  wrote:

/> Rather than deny my assertions you have reinforced them JC.
Stalin cannot hurt you if one is Stalin./


Stalin cannot hurt you if Stalin is dead, and there can be no doubt 
that Stalin has reached thermal equilibrium with his environment. 
This dictator is no more. He has ceased to be. He's expired and gone 
to meet his maker. He's a stiff. Bereft of life, he rests in peace. 
He's pushing up the daisies. His metabolic processes are now history. 
He's kicked the bucket. He shuffled off this mortal coil, run down 
the curtain a

Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It. "Come in Telmo! America to Telmo!!"

2022-04-17 Thread Telmo Menezes 
Am So, 17. Apr 2022, um 16:17, schrieb spudboy100 via Everything List:
> 
> I am asking Telmo to sort of give back with a short sense of what you feel 
> and think about Sweden deciding to join NATO. This would include Finland as 
> well, despite Putin's threats. This is an open placation so anyone can 
> answer, but it'd be better than a Yank coughing out our ideologies. Anyone 
> from the EU or anywhere else is sure welcome to give forth opinions on this. 
> Where does this leave you and your family and friends? With regard to Putin, 
> what do you need?  

I'm not sure that my opinion matters, or if it is representative of anything, 
but here it goes:

I'm completely in favor of Sweden and Finland joining NATO. In fact, I always 
saw them as "de facto" members. They are both member states of the EU, so I 
believe that a direct aggression to any of these countries by Russia would mean 
direct military engagement of the west, NATO or no NATO. There's no way France, 
for example, would just stand buy and watch Putin bite a chunk out of the EU. 
And I believe Putin believes the same.

To be honest, until recently I assumed that Sweden and Finland were not NATO 
members for cultural reasons. Perhaps a certain Nordic sense of independence. I 
now realize that this was mostly an appeasement strategy toward Russia. In this 
case I am still in favor of them joining, because I do not believe anymore that 
Putin can be appeased.

To be honest, I am much more worried about Ukraine joining the EU hastily. It 
is a huge country and I suspect it is still quite far away from economic and 
even cultural alignment with the EU. I mean, let's be honest, they have a 
neonazi gang as an official government force (the Azov battalion). I believe 
that granting them membership to early could put the EU project under immense 
stress (of the sort already posed by Hungary, but to a much larger degree) -- 
this possibly combined with the perfect storm of the German economy collapsing 
in the face of the unavoidable step of suspending all gas imports from Russia 
and the possible election of Le Pen in France (which could mean that the EU 
would then have one of its most powerful member states working against its 
interests from the inside).

At the same time, perhaps this is just one of those moments were History will 
not wait and the only option is to rise to the occasion. It is also true that 
the EU seems to grow from each crisis it survives.

More generally, I think that all of us (the west), with all of our flaws, 
represent a way of life that is opposed by the powerful dictatorships of Russia 
and China. If we value and wish to protect this way of life, we must stick 
together and be smart.


> 
> Caveat: I will probably respond to your thoughts on all this, though I will 
> try to do so respectfully, which will be a first for me. My reason is I feel 
> I need a different perspective from people living closer to the fighting.

Of course.

I don't feel like I am "close to the fighting" in any way. There's still Poland 
between me and the war. I am living my perfectly normal life. Perhaps I just 
feel a bit more grateful than usual for this normalcy.

The only way in which I feel close to the events is by the presence of refugees 
in my neighborhood. Many cars with Ukrainian license plates around. A hotel 
around the corner from my house has been turned into a temporary refugee 
center. A lot of people donate food, clothes, etc. Some of them like to play 
table tennis with the locals in the park nearby.

> Otherwise, please continue with quantum modal realism and if Alice & Bob 
> teleport between London and Moscow, will they be arrested by the FSB? 

Yes and no. :)

Be well spud (and everyone else!)
T.

> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Clark 
> To: spudboy...@aol.com
> Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com ; 
> meekerbr...@gmail.com 
> Sent: Sun, Apr 17, 2022 6:28 am
> Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 7:59 PM  wrote:
> 
>> *> Rather than deny my assertions you have reinforced them JC. Stalin cannot 
>> hurt you if one is Stalin.*
> 
> Stalin cannot hurt you if Stalin is dead, and there can be no doubt that 
> Stalin has reached thermal equilibrium with his environment. This dictator is 
> no more. He has ceased to be. He's expired and gone to meet his maker. He's a 
> stiff. Bereft of life, he rests in peace. He's pushing up the daisies. His 
> metabolic processes are now history. He's kicked the bucket. He shuffled off 
> this mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin choir 
> invisible! THIS IS AN EX-DICTATOR!!
> 
>  
>> *> I would go so far as to say that sans, Barrack, Donald would never have 
>> taken off.*
> 
> That's probably true,

Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It. "Come in Telmo! America to Telmo!!"

2022-04-17 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 

I am asking Telmo to sort of give back with a short sense of what you feel and 
think about Sweden deciding to join NATO. This would include Finland as well, 
despite Putin's threats. This is an open placation so anyone can answer, but 
it'd be better than a Yank coughing out our ideologies. Anyone from the EU or 
anywhere else is sure welcome to give forth opinions on this. Where does this 
leave you and your family and friends? With regard to Putin, what do you need? 
Caveat: I will probably respond to your thoughts on all this, though I will try 
to do so respectfully, which will be a first for me. My reason is I feel I need 
a different perspective from people living closer to the fighting. Otherwise, 
please continue with quantum modal realism and if Alice & Bob teleport between 
London and Moscow, will they be arrested by the FSB? 
Thanks!


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On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 7:59 PM  wrote:


> Rather than deny my assertions you have reinforced them JC. Stalin cannot 
> hurt you if one is Stalin.

Stalin cannot hurt you if Stalin is dead, and there can be no doubt that Stalin 
has reached thermal equilibrium with his environment. This dictator is no more. 
He has ceased to be. He's expired and gone to meet his maker. He's a stiff. 
Bereft of life, he rests in peace. He's pushing up the daisies. His metabolic 
processes are now history. He's kicked the bucket. He shuffled off this mortal 
coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin choir invisible! THIS IS AN 
EX-DICTATOR!!
 
> I would go so far as to say that sans, Barrack, Donald would never have taken 
> off.

That's probably true, backlash put Donald in power because there were two 
things about Obama that most Republicans could never forgive, his skin was 
black, and there was a "D" next to his name not an "R".
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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-17 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
I do remember that when Capn' Bonespurs back in 2018, John, did conflict with 
Putin's troops, when they were hired in as mercs for Assad in Syria, (Wagner), 
and the US was ordered to fight back in force. We won that battle! Please 
review at your leisure. 
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-reportedly-bragged-about-a-classified-battle-in-syria-2018-5
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/13/russian-mercenaries-killed-us-airstrikes-syria
The obvious conclusion JC is that no, Capn' Bonespurs did NOT back away from 
Putin's Bullying, but that Biden, Obama, and Yes, Bush43 did. JC if you won't 
give the devil his due, one ignores that capabilities of one's enemies. Yes, 
avoiding a burgeoning nuclear holocaust is understandable, back then, and 
today. This was behind my ugly idea of having the Russians re-nuke Cuba or 
Cub-er as Kennedy said. Probably a crazy-bad idea, but it was giving Vlad the 
Impaler an out with the Russian people. Yes, there are downsides to this, like 
what if Putin starts up again and there's hypersonics in Cub-er? My thought is 
we're just as dead anyway and as long as we can successfully retaliate, what 
difference does it make, as Mama Clinton once uttered? 
May the Easter Donald not haunt your dreams as he does with every democrat! 
Amen. 


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Sent: Sun, Apr 17, 2022 6:03 am
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On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 8:16 PM  wrote:


> You are notoriously erratic and moody!

No I'm not!  Well OK maybe I am No I'm not!

> I liked some of the things Trump did, I was so-so on other things. I'm a hard 
> guy to please. I did love his comedic timing

TO HELL WITH COMEDIC TIMING!! I'm talking about the cause of the Fermi Paradox 
while you're talking about the silly comedy routine of a man who has control of 
thousands of Thermonuclear bombs and on a whim could kill you, and everybody 
you know, and civilization, in the next 20 minutes. Volodymyr Zelenskyy was a 
professional comedian but when Russia invaded his country he knew it was time 
to get serious, and so he will always be remembered as more like Winston 
Churchill than Jerry Lewis. Can you imagine Captain Bonespurs refusing to run 
away and deciding to risk his life by fighting for his country as Zelenskyy has 
done? I can't. 
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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-17 Thread John Clark 
On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 7:59 PM  wrote:

*> Rather than deny my assertions you have reinforced them JC. Stalin
> cannot hurt you if one is Stalin.*
>

Stalin cannot hurt you if Stalin is dead, and there can be no doubt that
Stalin has reached thermal equilibrium with his environment. This dictator
is no more. He has ceased to be. He's expired and gone to meet his maker.
He's a stiff. Bereft of life, he rests in peace. He's pushing up the
daisies. His metabolic processes are now history. He's kicked the bucket.
He shuffled off this mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the
bleedin choir invisible! THIS IS AN EX-DICTATOR!!


> *> I would go so far as to say that sans, Barrack, Donald would never have
> taken off.*
>

That's probably true, backlash put Donald in power because there were two
things about Obama that most Republicans could never forgive, his skin was
black, and there was a "D" next to his name not an "R".

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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-17 Thread John Clark 
On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 8:16 PM  wrote:

> *You are notoriously erratic and moody!*
>

No I'm not!  Well OK maybe I am No I'm not!

*> I liked some of the things Trump did, I was so-so on other things. I'm a
> hard guy to please. I did love his comedic timing*
>

TO HELL WITH COMEDIC TIMING!! I'm talking about the cause of the Fermi
Paradox while you're talking about the silly comedy routine of a man who
has control of thousands of Thermonuclear bombs and on a whim could kill
you, and everybody you know, and civilization, in the next 20 minutes.
Volodymyr Zelenskyy was a professional comedian but when Russia invaded his
country he knew it was time to get serious, and so he will always be
remembered as more like Winston Churchill than Jerry Lewis. Can you imagine
Captain Bonespurs refusing to run away and deciding to risk his life by
fighting for his country as Zelenskyy has done? I can't.

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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-16 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
No, the Machine Intel's will enjoy it too. But how can I know they'll enjoy it? 
Golly. 


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 On 4/16/2022 8:34 AM, John Clark wrote:
  
And happy Jesus zombie day to you too. 
 
 Don't let that death cult figure spoil your appreciation of the renewal of 
spring time.  Jesus will go the way of Isis, Quetzalcoatl, Rama, Zeus, Thor, Ba 
Xian, Dagon, Vishnu, and a hundred others.  Spring will be here as long as 
we're here to enjoy it.
 
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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-16 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
You are notoriously erratic and moody! I liked some of the things Trump did, I 
was so-so on other things. I'm a hard guy to please. I did love his comedic 
timing when he did his spiels at rallies. Best comic warm ups in the US. For 
me, all I need is for the elites to finally go into survival mode and do things 
logically. 
Joey and the US elites wanted to save the earth last year without throwing 
enough R cash to build up renewables, and this they didn't do. Joe wasn't the 
worst politician in all this mess on energy and Putin. I'd put the spotlight on 
Merkel, the chancellor for 16 years and a physicist, yet! In any case Joe has 
just done an error correction. 
https://news.yahoo.com/u-resume-oil-gas-drilling-225302772.html
So, he has been forced to jump, like we all have by Vlad's reign of terror. He 
and his team have been forced to act rationally as opposed to ideologically in 
advance of the 22 election, and to supply Germany with  Putin's gas off their 
diet. 
We'll see?
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On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 10:43 AM  wrote:


> Economically Fascism is Fascism whoever is in power. I mean specifically rule 
> by the rich, Plutocracy,

And that's why you want to put a billionaire plutocrat fascist back in power, 
and not just any old billionaire plutocrat fascist, but a billionaire plutocrat 
fascist that has been proven to be notoriously erratic and moody.  John K Clark 
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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-16 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
That's a big IF, so hopefully the cash will go into more Javelin's for Vlad's 
armor. 


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On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 10:16 AM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:


> I am guessing that you believe taking the man's overseas goodies will being 
> him to obey?

I believe that $100 billion would help Ukraine one hell of a lot in defending 
itself against the war of aggression instigated by Donald Trump's best friend. 
The fact that Putin's money would be used to thwart Putin's obscene ambitions 
is just a nice bonus. John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-16 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
Rather than deny my assertions you have reinforced them JC. Stalin cannot hurt 
you if one is Stalin. in case you missed the script? Joey, like Obama has 
energized the opposition. I would go so far as to say that sans, Barrack, 
Donald would never have taken off. Joe Joe is Barry on steroids. So, this seems 
to be a repetition of the 2016 elections, two years early. 
I suspect a structural break in the US, in someway if things get worse for the 
middle class. Vlad did attack in 2008, with Georgia, (Bish 43) and did attack 
Ukraine in 2014, Obama, and 2022 JoeJoe. The fascist republicans are your 
ideological enemy of choice darling.Now what you can do about them is another 
matter. This confirms my Great Internal Enemy mantra.
In any case we'll find out how Joe acquits himself with Vlad.  


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On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 10:03 AM  wrote:


> Was it Caligula who said, "It takes a dog to eat a dog."

I think it was the Emperor Tiberius who said that when asked why he picked 
Caligula to be his successor; but it doesn't matter, what should've been said 
was "it takes a smart dog and one that cannot be easily swayed by hollow 
flattery, to eat a dog. Donald Trump is a dog, but not the right kind of dog to 
deal with Vladimir Putin.
 
> On your faux shaming of me for not trusting Joey over Vlad the Impaler, is 
> that I surmise that your party and its financiers, hate the Great Internal 
> Enemy, much as Stalin, Mao, Kim, Pol Pot,
 
Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot can no longer harm me or anybody else, and Kim is far 
away and controls a weak country. But fascist Republicans are numerous and much 
closer, and there is a real danger that in the near future they could seize 
total control of a country that is the world's strongest, both economically and 
militarily, and also is the country I happened to live in. So I don't believe 
it's illogical to have a less than friendly attitude towards such people. The 
stakes are very high, there is a real possibility that Donald Trump could give 
us a solution to the Fermi paradox, but not an answer we'd like.

> You guys are always worried that Donny was soft on Vlad, and "How 
> unpatriotic!" I would say (I  am not complaining here) that you guys hate us, 
> the Rep voter far more than Xi's China, or the Ayatollahs (look at Joey go!), 
> or anyone else. It's us. 
 
Speaking of hate, I believe the principal reason Republicans in general and you 
in particular hate Joe Biden so much is that he belongs to a different tribe 
than you, in the voting booth there is a "D" next to his name not a "R". As 
I've mentioned before for most of my life I was a registered Republican, I'm a 
Democrat now but I have no particular loyalty towards them, if they ever go 
half as crazy as Republicans have I would not hesitate to drop them like a hot 
potato. And if there was any doubt before then after January 6 2021 all doubt 
was removed and it became crystal clear that Republicans hate Democrats more 
than they love the US Constitution or democracy. I would even go so far as to 
say that some, perhaps most, Republicans hate Democrats more than they love 
life.  
 
> Happy Easter.

And happy Jesus zombie day to you too. John K Clark    See what's on my new 
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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-16 Thread Brent Meeker 



On 4/16/2022 8:34 AM, John Clark wrote:

And happy Jesus zombie day to you too.


Don't let that death cult figure spoil your appreciation of the renewal 
of spring time.  Jesus will go the way of Isis, Quetzalcoatl, Rama, 
Zeus, Thor, Ba Xian, Dagon, Vishnu, and a hundred others.  Spring will 
be here as long as we're here to enjoy it.


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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-16 Thread John Clark 
On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 10:43 AM  wrote:

*> Economically Fascism is Fascism whoever is in power. I mean specifically
> rule by the rich, Plutocracy,*
>

And that's why you want to put a billionaire plutocrat fascist back in
power, and not just any old billionaire plutocrat fascist, but a
billionaire plutocrat fascist that has been proven to be notoriously erratic
and moody.
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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-16 Thread John Clark 
On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 10:16 AM spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

* > I am guessing that you believe taking the man's overseas goodies will
> being him to obey?*
>

I believe that $100 billion would help Ukraine one hell of a lot in
defending itself against the war of aggression instigated by Donald Trump's
best friend. The fact that Putin's money would be used to thwart Putin's
obscene ambitions is just a nice bonus.
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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-16 Thread John Clark 
On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 10:03 AM  wrote:

*> Was it Caligula who said, "It takes a dog to eat a dog."*
>

I think it was the Emperor Tiberius who said that when asked why he picked
Caligula to be his successor; but it doesn't matter, what should've been
said was "it takes a smart dog and one that cannot be easily swayed by
hollow flattery, to eat a dog. Donald Trump is a dog, but not the right
kind of dog to deal with Vladimir Putin.


> *> On your faux shaming of me for not trusting Joey over Vlad the Impaler,
> is that I surmise that your party and its financiers, hate the Great
> Internal Enemy, much as Stalin, Mao, Kim, Pol Pot,*
>


Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot can no longer harm me or anybody else, and Kim is
far away and controls a weak country. But fascist Republicans are numerous
and much closer, and there is a real danger that in the near future they
could seize total control of a country that is the world's strongest, both
economically and militarily, and also is the country I happened to live in.
So I don't believe it's illogical to have a less than friendly attitude
towards such people. The stakes are very high, there is a real possibility
that Donald Trump could give us a solution to the Fermi paradox, but not an
answer we'd like.

*> You guys are always worried that Donny was soft on Vlad, and "How
> unpatriotic!" I would say (I  am not complaining here) that you guys hate
> us, the Rep voter far more than Xi's China, or the Ayatollahs (look at Joey
> go!), or anyone else. It's us. *
>


Speaking of hate, I believe the principal reason Republicans in general and
you in particular hate Joe Biden so much is that he belongs to a different
tribe than you, in the voting booth there is a "D" next to his name not a
"R". As I've mentioned before for most of my life I was a registered
Republican, I'm a Democrat now but I have no particular loyalty towards
them, if they ever go half as crazy as Republicans have I would not
hesitate to drop them like a hot potato. And if there was any doubt before
then after January 6 2021 all doubt was removed and it became crystal clear
that Republicans hate Democrats more than they love the US Constitution or
democracy. I would even go so far as to say that some, perhaps most,
Republicans hate Democrats more than they love life.


> *> Happy Easter.*
>

And happy Jesus zombie day to you too.
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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-16 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
Economically Fascism is Fascism whoever is in power. I mean specifically rule 
by the rich, Plutocracy, as in Crony Capitalism, be it Military contractors, or 
Woke Corporation$, just follow the campaign donations. 
Oligarchy-
https://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-finds-that-the-us-is-an-oligarchy-2014-4

Plutocracy-https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plutocracy

Politicians-https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/02/18/387125444/why-congress-doesnt-really-worry-about-what-most-americans-think

Crony 
Capitalism-https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2022/03/12/our-crony-capitalism-index-offers-a-window-into-russias-billionaire-wealth

I have no fix for this issue, but we ain't a democracy or a republic and maybe 
have been since...1865? On one hand we're less free with a plutocracy. On the 
other hand, when we were a republic, we did slavery (millions killed), the wars 
against Native Americans, against Irish, Chinese, and Mexicans. Perhaps a 
nuanced? If so we can go with Orson Welles last comment in Graham Greene's The 
Third Man. 
(12 seconds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cydkTy6GmFA


In any case we may not have the time to correct this once, republic, because I 
concerned about the existential threat from Putin, and Xi. But that is just me, 
for the team here, continue with quantum modalism or whether eternal inflation 
promotes or negates this? Good for cerebrum, maybe not the amygdala? 


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Sent: Sat, Apr 16, 2022 8:12 am
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 10:38 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:


  > Is there anything to prevent the US from recognizing it [the world court] 
tomorrow? 

Yes, Republicans. Thanks to the filibuster there's not a snowball's chance in 
hell of it getting confirmed by the US Senate. Maybe if we're lucky in a few 
years we'll have a less fascist Senate and they will confirm it, but Ukraine 
can't wait for distant elections and a long drawn out trial in the world court, 
it needs that money right now to survive, and Biden has the executive power to 
seize that Russian money and give it to Ukraine anytime he wishes.

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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-16 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 

I am guessing that you believe taking the man's overseas goodies will being him 
to obey? So, when it doesn't work who will the IC send to spank Vlad's pee-pee, 
somebody in a blue helmet and a warrant? Golly, that may not work either! Do 
you possess any evidence that this will work? So, the search goes forward for 
practical, real world things that might give the Russians and their fearless 
leader a motivation to withdraw and cease aggression. Good luck to us all. 
https://thebulletin.org/2022/04/poll-russias-nuclear-saber-rattling-is-rattling-neighbors-nerves/


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Sent: Fri, Apr 15, 2022 10:38 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

 Is there anything to prevent the US from recognizing it tomorrow?  And most of 
the EU countries have recognized the IC and they have seized Russian assets.
 
 Brent
 
 On 4/15/2022 1:29 PM, John Clark wrote:
  
 
  On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 2:39 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

  
  > I think the way it should work is that the International Court should award 
compensation to Ukraine from Russia and those Russian funds seized by the US 
and other nations would be transferred to Ukrainie per the court order.  
 
  I don't see how that could work. The UN's International Court was set up to 
"bring to justice the perpetrators of the worst crimes known to humankind, war 
crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide". The problem is 123 countries 
have recognized the authority of the International Court, but neither Russia, 
nor the USA has. And India, China, and Israel are also not in that group of 
123. 
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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-16 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
Will the proposal by the NYT as submitted by JC work or not? 
Also, what is your foreign policy solution, Mr. Quantum? 


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Sent: Fri, Apr 15, 2022 11:04 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

 In your usual devious way of course you completely avoided any "coldly 
rational solution" you cavalierly had recommended others to adopt and instead 
excreted some more "analysis".
 
 Brent
 
 On 4/15/2022 6:01 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
  
 
I think is I don't trust your guy Joey, nor, axiomatically do I trust your lad 
Joe nor his people. The Afghanistan Withdrawal. He pretends to be tough yet 
drags his ass. I am supposing that  Putin and Xi see this already. Always 
hungry to for things to be a get out of inflation free card, rather than worry 
about an existential threat. 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Brent Meeker 
 To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Fri, Apr 15, 2022 4:21 pm
 Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.
 
   Oh well, if I'd only known it was so simple as being coldly rational.  Maybe 
you point out what that is?
 
 Brent
 
  On 4/15/2022 12:19 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
  
 
 The International Court thing, I think, is merely psych warfare against 
the Putin gang. My thing is will it work? Minus the will to reward or punish, 
not just talk, it seemingly will fail. We also risk nuke annihilation. This 
needs to be kept in mind. We are dealing with Russky psychopaths. The NYT 
progressive left is  out of it's depth as is the Joey crew. Get tough minded, 
get coldly rational, decide what it takes to survive the bastards. 
 
 On Friday, April 15, 2022 Brent Meeker  
wrote:
 
   I think the way it should work is that the International Court should award 
compensation to Ukraine from Russia and those Russian funds seized by the US 
and other nations would be transferred to Ukrainie per the court order.  This 
makes it clear that international law is in effect, not just that the US is 
acting as a party in the war.
 
 Brent
 
  On 4/15/2022 3:39 AM, John Clark wrote:
  
 
 Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, 
you'll be able to read it for free.
 
 Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.
 
 It’s the only way to signal that the United States is committed to making even 
the world’s most powerful states pay for their war crimes.
 
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/15/opinion/russia-war-currency-reserves.html?unlocked_article_code=CEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DJDm8fiOMNAo6B_EGKf7d4fNo6miuSXppKLaU1Sfp536pFMldgURelud2EhJEBaW0TmL6EY1kXjdjLTKxqtnjjdHW4I-Nyg7eytB_fOja9RKPbhHM-IF02o49ufAr7xSELxKvEQrMk2YR0iOwzRcwvHUd2byaPt_DpCxh1KY_GOkmasl9qLrkfDTLDntec6KYCdRFRDT_FTXB-6GU77rBMKY9dffa_f1N7Jp2I0fhGAXdoLYypG5Q2W4DT8r1ourTHohCJo9GkyEIMCVVHmGBQyxLkSXx75Q=em-share
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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-16 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
"
Bloviation is speech or writing that is wordy, pompous, and generally empty of 
meaning: verbosity. Verb: bloviate. A person who bloviates is a bloviator.Feb 
12, 2020"
Too many words? 

-Original Message-
From: Brent Meeker 
To: spudboy100 via Everything List 
Sent: Fri, Apr 15, 2022 10:31 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

 "Minus the will to reward or punish, not just talk, it seemingly will fail." 
means that "Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It." will fail too.  All 
effective action takes the will to act.  Your "analysis" is blovating.'
 
 Brent
 
 On 4/15/2022 12:19 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
  
 
The International Court thing, I think, is merely psych warfare against the 
Putin gang. My thing is will it work? Minus the will to reward or punish, not 
just talk, it seemingly will fail. We also risk nuke annihilation. This needs 
to be kept in mind. We are dealing with Russky psychopaths. The NYT progressive 
left is  out of it's depth as is the Joey crew. Get tough minded, get coldly 
rational, decide what it takes to survive the bastards. 
 
 On Friday, April 15, 2022 Brent Meeker  
wrote:
 
   I think the way it should work is that the International Court should award 
compensation to Ukraine from Russia and those Russian funds seized by the US 
and other nations would be transferred to Ukrainie per the court order.  This 
makes it clear that international law is in effect, not just that the US is 
acting as a party in the war.
 
 Brent
 
  On 4/15/2022 3:39 AM, John Clark wrote:
  
 
 Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, 
you'll be able to read it for free.
 
 Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.
 
 It’s the only way to signal that the United States is committed to making even 
the world’s most powerful states pay for their war crimes.
 
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/15/opinion/russia-war-currency-reserves.html?unlocked_article_code=CEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DJDm8fiOMNAo6B_EGKf7d4fNo6miuSXppKLaU1Sfp536pFMldgURelud2EhJEBaW0TmL6EY1kXjdjLTKxqtnjjdHW4I-Nyg7eytB_fOja9RKPbhHM-IF02o49ufAr7xSELxKvEQrMk2YR0iOwzRcwvHUd2byaPt_DpCxh1KY_GOkmasl9qLrkfDTLDntec6KYCdRFRDT_FTXB-6GU77rBMKY9dffa_f1N7Jp2I0fhGAXdoLYypG5Q2W4DT8r1ourTHohCJo9GkyEIMCVVHmGBQyxLkSXx75Q=em-share
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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-16 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
Yeah, JC. I don't trust reco's from Joey and company or the NYT. If I were 
chieftain, I'd be bouncing ideas off of different people with a rep for 
accuracy in assessments, as well as foreign policy people. This is not a worry 
for you, but reflecting upon Joe's Afghanistan fiasco, I'd say it's rational to 
worry.
My decision to comment was from a response to your by LC who briefly mentioned 
that Putin would want something back to get out of Dutch with his population. 
After our arguments about the nuclear defense triad, using and possibly 
detecting US submarines, then I still hold that, how many times they gonna kill 
us? The Pentagon used to call this "Make the rubble bounce." So if the 
capability to retaliate still exists for the foreseeable future then why should 
I complain?
Notice please that unlike Obama before and Joey afterwards, foreign policy was 
better for US citizens or less threatening. This was true also of Bush 43! Was 
it Caligula who said, "It takes a dog to eat a dog." There's my reasoning so to 
speak. My question to you regarding my awful proposal, is; do you think it 
wouldn't work, and spell out why? 
As former Secretary of State under Bush 41, James Baker once said, "Bribe the 
bastards!" I never I liked James Baker the 3rd, only that his statement opened 
up a possibility to settle this and save lives by giving war criminal Vlad a 
way out.
Last. On your faux shaming of me for not trusting Joey over Vlad the Impaler, 
is that I surmise that your party and its financiers, hate the Great Internal 
Enemy, much as Stalin, Mao, Kim, Pol Pot, viewed the prime enemy as within 
country. I size your voters as really good with this. You guys are always 
worried that Donny was soft on Vlad, and "How unpatriotic!" I would say (I  am 
not complaining here) that you guys hate us, the Rep voter far more than Xi's 
China, or the Ayatollahs (look at Joey go!), or anyone else. It's us. 
Happy Easter.



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Sent: Fri, Apr 15, 2022 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 9:01 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:


> I think is trust your guy Joey, nor, axiomatically do I trust your lad Joe 
> nor his people. The Afghanistan Withdrawal. He pretends to be tough yet drags 
> his ass.


And you pretend to be tough and yet you're so scared of Putin getting mad that 
you think he should be rewarded for invading Ukraine by having the USA invite 
him to put ICBMs with H-bomb warheads in Cuba aimed at American cities. And you 
don't trust Biden but you're perfectly willing to trust your life that Donald 
Trump will always do the cool, calm, rational thing in any nuclear crisis. 
Something does not compute.
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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-16 Thread John Clark 
On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 10:38 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

> *Is there anything to prevent the US from recognizing it* [the world
> court] *tomorrow? *
>

Yes, Republicans. Thanks to the filibuster there's not a snowball's chance
in hell of it getting confirmed by the US Senate. Maybe if we're lucky in a
few years we'll have a less fascist Senate and they will confirm it, but
Ukraine can't wait for distant elections and a long drawn out trial in the
world court, it needs that money right now to survive, and Biden has the
executive power to seize that Russian money and give it to Ukraine anytime
he wishes.

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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-15 Thread Brent Meeker 
In your usual devious way of course you completely avoided any "coldly 
rational solution" you cavalierly had recommended others to adopt and 
instead excreted some more "analysis".


Brent

On 4/15/2022 6:01 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
I think is I don't trust your guy Joey, nor, axiomatically do I trust 
your lad Joe nor his people. The Afghanistan Withdrawal. He pretends 
to be tough yet drags his ass. I am supposing that  Putin and Xi see 
this already. Always hungry to for things to be a get out of inflation 
free card, rather than worry about an existential threat.



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To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, Apr 15, 2022 4:21 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

Oh well, if I'd only known it was so simple as being coldly rational.  
Maybe you point out what that is?


Brent

On 4/15/2022 12:19 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
The International Court thing, I think, is merely psych warfare 
against the Putin gang. My thing is will it work? Minus the will to 
reward or punish, not just talk, it seemingly will fail. We also risk 
nuke annihilation. This needs to be kept in mind. We are dealing with 
Russky psychopaths. The NYT progressive left is  out of it's depth as 
is the Joey crew. Get tough minded, get coldly rational, decide what 
it takes to survive the bastards.




On Friday, April 15, 2022 Brent Meeker 
<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> wrote:


I think the way it should work is that the International Court should 
award compensation to Ukraine from Russia and those Russian funds 
seized by the US and other nations would be transferred to Ukrainie 
per the court order.  This makes it clear that international law is in 
effect, not just that the US is acting as a party in the war.


Brent

On 4/15/2022 3:39 AM, John Clark wrote:
Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a 
subscriber, you'll be able to read it for free.


Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

It’s the only way to signal that the United States is committed to 
making even the world’s most powerful states pay for their war crimes.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/15/opinion/russia-war-currency-reserves.html?unlocked_article_code=CEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DJDm8fiOMNAo6B_EGKf7d4fNo6miuSXppKLaU1Sfp536pFMldgURelud2EhJEBaW0TmL6EY1kXjdjLTKxqtnjjdHW4I-Nyg7eytB_fOja9RKPbhHM-IF02o49ufAr7xSELxKvEQrMk2YR0iOwzRcwvHUd2byaPt_DpCxh1KY_GOkmasl9qLrkfDTLDntec6KYCdRFRDT_FTXB-6GU77rBMKY9dffa_f1N7Jp2I0fhGAXdoLYypG5Q2W4DT8r1ourTHohCJo9GkyEIMCVVHmGBQyxLkSXx75Q=em-share 
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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-15 Thread Brent Meeker 
Is there anything to prevent the US from recognizing it tomorrow? And 
most of the EU countries have recognized the IC and they have seized 
Russian assets.


Brent

On 4/15/2022 1:29 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 2:39 PM Brent Meeker  
wrote:


/> I think the way it should work is that the International Court
should award compensation to Ukraine from Russia and those Russian
funds seized by the US and other nations would be transferred to
Ukrainie per the court order. /


I don't see how that could work. The UN's International Court was set 
up to "/bring to justice the perpetrators of the worst crimes known to 
humankind, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide/". The 
problem is 123 countries have recognized the authority of the 
International Court, but neither Russia, nor the USA has. And India, 
China, and Israel are also not in that group of 123.


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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-15 Thread Brent Meeker 
"Minus the will to reward or punish, not just talk, it seemingly will 
fail." means that "Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It." will 
fail too.  All effective action takes the will to act.  Your "analysis" 
is blovating.'


Brent

On 4/15/2022 12:19 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:


The International Court thing, I think, is merely psych warfare 
against the Putin gang. My thing is will it work? Minus the will to 
reward or punish, not just talk, it seemingly will fail. We also risk 
nuke annihilation. This needs to be kept in mind. We are dealing with 
Russky psychopaths. The NYT progressive left is  out of it's depth as 
is the Joey crew. Get tough minded, get coldly rational, decide what 
it takes to survive the bastards.





On Friday, April 15, 2022 Brent Meeker 
 wrote:


I think the way it should work is that the International Court should 
award compensation to Ukraine from Russia and those Russian funds 
seized by the US and other nations would be transferred to Ukrainie 
per the court order.  This makes it clear that international law is in 
effect, not just that the US is acting as a party in the war.


Brent

On 4/15/2022 3:39 AM, John Clark wrote:
Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a 
subscriber, you'll be able to read it for free.


Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

It’s the only way to signal that the United States is committed to 
making even the world’s most powerful states pay for their war crimes.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/15/opinion/russia-war-currency-reserves.html?unlocked_article_code=CEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DJDm8fiOMNAo6B_EGKf7d4fNo6miuSXppKLaU1Sfp536pFMldgURelud2EhJEBaW0TmL6EY1kXjdjLTKxqtnjjdHW4I-Nyg7eytB_fOja9RKPbhHM-IF02o49ufAr7xSELxKvEQrMk2YR0iOwzRcwvHUd2byaPt_DpCxh1KY_GOkmasl9qLrkfDTLDntec6KYCdRFRDT_FTXB-6GU77rBMKY9dffa_f1N7Jp2I0fhGAXdoLYypG5Q2W4DT8r1ourTHohCJo9GkyEIMCVVHmGBQyxLkSXx75Q=em-share 


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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-15 Thread John Clark 
On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 9:01 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

*> I think is trust your guy Joey, nor, axiomatically do I trust your lad
> Joe nor his people. The Afghanistan Withdrawal. He pretends to be tough yet
> drags his ass.*
>

And you pretend to be tough and yet you're so scared of Putin getting mad
that you think he should be rewarded for invading Ukraine by having the USA
invite him to put ICBMs with H-bomb warheads in Cuba aimed at American
cities. And you don't trust Biden but you're perfectly willing to trust
your life that Donald Trump will always do the cool, calm, rational thing
in any nuclear crisis. Something does not compute.

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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-15 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
To prosecute him, how are we going to catch him? Not everyone on earth thinks 
like Soros, or Klaus Schwab (WEF). The Russian people are not yet revolting 
against Vlad, meaning they like the guy. Just like nobody is yet pushing Joe 
out of office, to be turned over to Amsterdam. 


-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
Sent: Fri, Apr 15, 2022 4:29 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 2:39 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:


  > I think the way it should work is that the International Court should award 
compensation to Ukraine from Russia and those Russian funds seized by the US 
and other nations would be transferred to Ukrainie per the court order. 

I don't see how that could work. The UN's International Court was set up to 
"bring to justice the perpetrators of the worst crimes known to humankind, war 
crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide". The problem is 123 countries 
have recognized the authority of the International Court, but neither Russia, 
nor the USA has. And India, China, and Israel are also not in that group of 123.
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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-15 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
I think is I don't trust your guy Joey, nor, axiomatically do I trust your lad 
Joe nor his people. The Afghanistan Withdrawal. He pretends to be tough yet 
drags his ass. I am supposing that  Putin and Xi see this already. Always 
hungry to for things to be a get out of inflation free card, rather than worry 
about an existential threat. 


-Original Message-
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To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, Apr 15, 2022 4:21 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

 Oh well, if I'd only known it was so simple as being coldly rational.  Maybe 
you point out what that is?
 
 Brent
 
 On 4/15/2022 12:19 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
  
 
The International Court thing, I think, is merely psych warfare against the 
Putin gang. My thing is will it work? Minus the will to reward or punish, not 
just talk, it seemingly will fail. We also risk nuke annihilation. This needs 
to be kept in mind. We are dealing with Russky psychopaths. The NYT progressive 
left is  out of it's depth as is the Joey crew. Get tough minded, get coldly 
rational, decide what it takes to survive the bastards. 
 
 On Friday, April 15, 2022 Brent Meeker  
wrote:
 
   I think the way it should work is that the International Court should award 
compensation to Ukraine from Russia and those Russian funds seized by the US 
and other nations would be transferred to Ukrainie per the court order.  This 
makes it clear that international law is in effect, not just that the US is 
acting as a party in the war.
 
 Brent
 
  On 4/15/2022 3:39 AM, John Clark wrote:
  
 
 Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, 
you'll be able to read it for free.
 
 Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.
 
 It’s the only way to signal that the United States is committed to making even 
the world’s most powerful states pay for their war crimes.
 
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/15/opinion/russia-war-currency-reserves.html?unlocked_article_code=CEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DJDm8fiOMNAo6B_EGKf7d4fNo6miuSXppKLaU1Sfp536pFMldgURelud2EhJEBaW0TmL6EY1kXjdjLTKxqtnjjdHW4I-Nyg7eytB_fOja9RKPbhHM-IF02o49ufAr7xSELxKvEQrMk2YR0iOwzRcwvHUd2byaPt_DpCxh1KY_GOkmasl9qLrkfDTLDntec6KYCdRFRDT_FTXB-6GU77rBMKY9dffa_f1N7Jp2I0fhGAXdoLYypG5Q2W4DT8r1ourTHohCJo9GkyEIMCVVHmGBQyxLkSXx75Q=em-share
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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-15 Thread John Clark 
On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 2:39 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

* > I think the way it should work is that the International Court should
> award compensation to Ukraine from Russia and those Russian funds seized by
> the US and other nations would be transferred to Ukrainie per the court
> order. *
>

I don't see how that could work. The UN's International Court was set up to
"*bring to justice the perpetrators of the worst crimes known to humankind,
war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide*". The problem is 123
countries have recognized the authority of the International Court, but
neither Russia, nor the USA has. And India, China, and Israel are also not
in that group of 123.

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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-15 Thread Brent Meeker 
Oh well, if I'd only known it was so simple as being coldly rational.  
Maybe you point out what that is?


Brent

On 4/15/2022 12:19 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:


The International Court thing, I think, is merely psych warfare 
against the Putin gang. My thing is will it work? Minus the will to 
reward or punish, not just talk, it seemingly will fail. We also risk 
nuke annihilation. This needs to be kept in mind. We are dealing with 
Russky psychopaths. The NYT progressive left is  out of it's depth as 
is the Joey crew. Get tough minded, get coldly rational, decide what 
it takes to survive the bastards.





On Friday, April 15, 2022 Brent Meeker 
 wrote:


I think the way it should work is that the International Court should 
award compensation to Ukraine from Russia and those Russian funds 
seized by the US and other nations would be transferred to Ukrainie 
per the court order.  This makes it clear that international law is in 
effect, not just that the US is acting as a party in the war.


Brent

On 4/15/2022 3:39 AM, John Clark wrote:
Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a 
subscriber, you'll be able to read it for free.


Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

It’s the only way to signal that the United States is committed to 
making even the world’s most powerful states pay for their war crimes.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/15/opinion/russia-war-currency-reserves.html?unlocked_article_code=CEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DJDm8fiOMNAo6B_EGKf7d4fNo6miuSXppKLaU1Sfp536pFMldgURelud2EhJEBaW0TmL6EY1kXjdjLTKxqtnjjdHW4I-Nyg7eytB_fOja9RKPbhHM-IF02o49ufAr7xSELxKvEQrMk2YR0iOwzRcwvHUd2byaPt_DpCxh1KY_GOkmasl9qLrkfDTLDntec6KYCdRFRDT_FTXB-6GU77rBMKY9dffa_f1N7Jp2I0fhGAXdoLYypG5Q2W4DT8r1ourTHohCJo9GkyEIMCVVHmGBQyxLkSXx75Q=em-share 


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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-15 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 

The International Court thing, I think, is merely psych warfare against the 
Putin gang. My thing is will it work? Minus the will to reward or punish, not 
just talk, it seemingly will fail. We also risk nuke annihilation. This needs 
to be kept in mind. We are dealing with Russky psychopaths. The NYT progressive 
left is  out of it's depth as is the Joey crew. Get tough minded, get coldly 
rational, decide what it takes to survive the bastards.
On Friday, April 15, 2022 Brent Meeker  wrote:
 I think the way it should work is that the International Court should award 
compensation to Ukraine from Russia and those Russian funds seized by the US 
and other nations would be transferred to Ukrainie per the court order.  This 
makes it clear that international law is in effect, not just that the US is 
acting as a party in the war.
 
 Brent
 
 On 4/15/2022 3:39 AM, John Clark wrote:
  
 
Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, 
you'll be able to read it for free.
 
 Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.
 
 It’s the only way to signal that the United States is committed to making even 
the world’s most powerful states pay for their war crimes.
 
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/15/opinion/russia-war-currency-reserves.html?unlocked_article_code=CEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DJDm8fiOMNAo6B_EGKf7d4fNo6miuSXppKLaU1Sfp536pFMldgURelud2EhJEBaW0TmL6EY1kXjdjLTKxqtnjjdHW4I-Nyg7eytB_fOja9RKPbhHM-IF02o49ufAr7xSELxKvEQrMk2YR0iOwzRcwvHUd2byaPt_DpCxh1KY_GOkmasl9qLrkfDTLDntec6KYCdRFRDT_FTXB-6GU77rBMKY9dffa_f1N7Jp2I0fhGAXdoLYypG5Q2W4DT8r1ourTHohCJo9GkyEIMCVVHmGBQyxLkSXx75Q=em-share
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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-15 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 

To avoid a nuclear war, and so to give Putin a carrot, let me propose this 
idiocy. In exchange for us getting out of Ukraine, let Putin set up missile 
bases in Cuba again. If the submarine triad still is viable? This, we can 
always retaliate correct?  
On Friday, April 15, 2022 Lawrence Crowell  
wrote:
Well at this time freezing assets means there is a carrot with the stick. If 
you seize then you trade the carrot for another stick. The one leverage is to 
squeeze the oligarchs who support Putin, which might make them change 
government and remove him from office.
LC
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Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, 
you'll be able to read it for free.

Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

It’s the only way to signal that the United States is committed to making even 
the world’s most powerful states pay for their war crimes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/15/opinion/russia-war-currency-reserves.html?unlocked_article_code=CEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DJDm8fiOMNAo6B_EGKf7d4fNo6miuSXppKLaU1Sfp536pFMldgURelud2EhJEBaW0TmL6EY1kXjdjLTKxqtnjjdHW4I-Nyg7eytB_fOja9RKPbhHM-IF02o49ufAr7xSELxKvEQrMk2YR0iOwzRcwvHUd2byaPt_DpCxh1KY_GOkmasl9qLrkfDTLDntec6KYCdRFRDT_FTXB-6GU77rBMKY9dffa_f1N7Jp2I0fhGAXdoLYypG5Q2W4DT8r1ourTHohCJo9GkyEIMCVVHmGBQyxLkSXx75Q=em-share


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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-15 Thread Brent Meeker 
I think the way it should work is that the International Court should 
award compensation to Ukraine from Russia and those Russian funds seized 
by the US and other nations would be transferred to Ukrainie per the 
court order.  This makes it clear that international law is in effect, 
not just that the US is acting as a party in the war.


Brent

On 4/15/2022 3:39 AM, John Clark wrote:
Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a 
subscriber, you'll be able to read it for free.


Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

It’s the only way to signal that the United States is committed to 
making even the world’s most powerful states pay for their war crimes.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/15/opinion/russia-war-currency-reserves.html?unlocked_article_code=CEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DJDm8fiOMNAo6B_EGKf7d4fNo6miuSXppKLaU1Sfp536pFMldgURelud2EhJEBaW0TmL6EY1kXjdjLTKxqtnjjdHW4I-Nyg7eytB_fOja9RKPbhHM-IF02o49ufAr7xSELxKvEQrMk2YR0iOwzRcwvHUd2byaPt_DpCxh1KY_GOkmasl9qLrkfDTLDntec6KYCdRFRDT_FTXB-6GU77rBMKY9dffa_f1N7Jp2I0fhGAXdoLYypG5Q2W4DT8r1ourTHohCJo9GkyEIMCVVHmGBQyxLkSXx75Q=em-share 


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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-15 Thread smitra 

On 15-04-2022 12:39, John Clark wrote:

Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a
subscriber, you'll be able to read it for free.

Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

It’s the only way to signal that the United States is committed to
making even the world’s most powerful states pay for their war
crimes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/15/opinion/russia-war-currency-reserves.html?unlocked_article_code=CEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DJDm8fiOMNAo6B_EGKf7d4fNo6miuSXppKLaU1Sfp536pFMldgURelud2EhJEBaW0TmL6EY1kXjdjLTKxqtnjjdHW4I-Nyg7eytB_fOja9RKPbhHM-IF02o49ufAr7xSELxKvEQrMk2YR0iOwzRcwvHUd2byaPt_DpCxh1KY_GOkmasl9qLrkfDTLDntec6KYCdRFRDT_FTXB-6GU77rBMKY9dffa_f1N7Jp2I0fhGAXdoLYypG5Q2W4DT8r1ourTHohCJo9GkyEIMCVVHmGBQyxLkSXx75Q=em-share



Thanks!

I've replied in the discussion there:

https://nyti.ms/37ksmBP#permid=117856107

Saibal


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Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-15 Thread Lawrence Crowell 
Well at this time freezing assets means there is a carrot with the stick. 
If you seize then you trade the carrot for another stick. The one leverage 
is to squeeze the oligarchs who support Putin, which might make them change 
government and remove him from office.

LC

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 5:40:32 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

> Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, 
> you'll be able to read it for free.
>
> Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.
>
> It’s the only way to signal that the United States is committed to making 
> even the world’s most powerful states pay for their war crimes.
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/15/opinion/russia-war-currency-reserves.html?unlocked_article_code=CEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DJDm8fiOMNAo6B_EGKf7d4fNo6miuSXppKLaU1Sfp536pFMldgURelud2EhJEBaW0TmL6EY1kXjdjLTKxqtnjjdHW4I-Nyg7eytB_fOja9RKPbhHM-IF02o49ufAr7xSELxKvEQrMk2YR0iOwzRcwvHUd2byaPt_DpCxh1KY_GOkmasl9qLrkfDTLDntec6KYCdRFRDT_FTXB-6GU77rBMKY9dffa_f1N7Jp2I0fhGAXdoLYypG5Q2W4DT8r1ourTHohCJo9GkyEIMCVVHmGBQyxLkSXx75Q=em-share
>

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