Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-27 Thread smitra
Citeren Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net: On 9/25/2012 11:46 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Hi Roger, My idea about this is that the Moon and that we landed on it exists in parallel with the Moon not existing or existing but we not landing on it, or we already having a base on the oon

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-26 Thread Alberto G. Corona
, rclo...@verizon.net 9/25/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: smitra Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-24, 23:04:51 Subject: Re: Nonsense! Citeren Stephen P. King : On 9/24/2012 12:02 PM, John Clark

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-26 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/26/2012 6:45 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: All these phisicalists considerations are extremely interesting, but we can not fall in the temptation to consider them an exhaustive notions of untimate Truth. These considerations take phenomenons as things occurring in the external reality,

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-26 Thread meekerdb
On 9/25/2012 3:48 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Yes, and these micro-branches are effectively classical because the system is entangled with a large number of environmental degrees of freedom. Still, you can't identify a conscious observer with a particular micro-branch, you need to consider a

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-26 Thread meekerdb
On 9/26/2012 3:45 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: All these phisicalists considerations are extremely interesting, but we can not fall in the temptation to consider them an exhaustive notions of untimate Truth. These considerations take phenomenons as things occurring in the external reality, when

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-26 Thread Alberto G. Corona
But mind can agree also in things that are not phisical. and these things are much more important for life. Almost all the higuer concepts that we manage in daily life are non material. We are now talking about existence and truth for example, that upto my knowledge are not material. These non

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-26 Thread meekerdb
On 9/26/2012 11:27 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: But mind can agree also in things that are not phisical. and these things are much more important for life. Almost all the higuer concepts that we manage in daily life are non material. People agree on particular statements being true

Re: Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-25 Thread Roger Clough
Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-24, 12:59:07 Subject: Re: Nonsense! On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: ? Thus the moon does not exist when you are not looking at it. ? ? I expected better from you! This quip is based on the premise that you are the only

Re: Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-25 Thread Alberto G. Corona
. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-24, 12:59:07 Subject: Re: Nonsense! On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: ? Thus the moon does not exist when you are not looking at it. ? ? I

Re: Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-25 Thread Roger Clough
, 23:04:51 Subject: Re: Nonsense! Citeren Stephen P. King : On 9/24/2012 12:02 PM, John Clark wrote: Thus the moon does not exist when you are not looking at it. Hi John, I expected better from you! This quip is based on the premise that you are the only observer involved

Re: Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-25 Thread smitra
Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-24, 23:04:51 Subject: Re: Nonsense! Citeren Stephen P. King : On 9/24/2012 12:02 PM, John Clark wrote: Thus the moon does not exist when you are not looking at it. Hi John, I expected better from you! This quip is based on the premise that you are the only

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-25 Thread meekerdb
the following content - From: smitra Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-24, 23:04:51 Subject: Re: Nonsense! Citeren Stephen P. King : On 9/24/2012 12:02 PM, John Clark wrote: Thus the moon does not exist when you are not looking at it. Hi John, I expected better from you! This quip

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-25 Thread smitra
men on it ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/25/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: smitra Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-24, 23:04:51 Subject: Re: Nonsense! Citeren Stephen P. King : On 9/24/2012 12

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-25 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/25/2012 11:46 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Hi Roger, My idea about this is that the Moon and that we landed on it exists in parallel with the Moon not existing or existing but we not landing on it, or we already having a base on the oon etc. etc. etc. Then which of these possibilities

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-25 Thread Stephen P. King
- Receiving the following content - From: smitra Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-24, 23:04:51 Subject: Re: Nonsense! Citeren Stephen P. King : On 9/24/2012 12:02 PM, John Clark wrote: Thus the moon does not exist when you are not looking at it. Hi John, I expected better from you

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/24/2012 12:02 PM, John Clark wrote: Thus the moon does not exist when you are not looking at it. Hi John, I expected better from you! This quip is based on the premise that you are the only observer involved. Such nonsense! Considering that there are a HUGE number of observers of

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-24 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: Thus the moon does not exist when you are not looking at it. I expected better from you! This quip is based on the premise that you are the only observer involved. Such nonsense! Considering that there are

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/24/2012 12:59 PM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote: Thus the moon does not exist when you are not looking at it. I expected better from you! This quip is based on the premise

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-24 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Hi John This crater has been observed, so there are a current observed phenomenon about this crater: our memory of it. I observe that others had observed it, and I trust these people. This indirect account is also an observation . I believe because I trust these people and trust science. But the

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-24 Thread meekerdb
On 9/24/2012 9:28 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/24/2012 12:02 PM, John Clark wrote: Thus the moon does not exist when you are not looking at it. Hi John, I expected better from you! This quip is based on the premise that you are the only observer involved. Such nonsense! Considering

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-24 Thread smitra
Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 9/24/2012 9:28 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/24/2012 12:02 PM, John Clark wrote: Thus the moon does not exist when you are not looking at it. Hi John, I expected better from you! This quip is based on the premise that you are the only

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-24 Thread smitra
Citeren Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net: On 9/24/2012 12:02 PM, John Clark wrote: Thus the moon does not exist when you are not looking at it. Hi John, I expected better from you! This quip is based on the premise that you are the only observer involved. Such nonsense! Considering

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-24 Thread meekerdb
On 9/24/2012 8:02 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 9/24/2012 9:28 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/24/2012 12:02 PM, John Clark wrote: Thus the moon does not exist when you are not looking at it. Hi John, I expected better from you! This quip is

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/24/2012 11:02 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 9/24/2012 9:28 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/24/2012 12:02 PM, John Clark wrote: Thus the moon does not exist when you are not looking at it. Hi John, I expected better from you! This quip is

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/24/2012 11:04 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net: On 9/24/2012 12:02 PM, John Clark wrote: Thus the moon does not exist when you are not looking at it. Hi John, I expected better from you! This quip is based on the premise that you are the

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-24 Thread meekerdb
On 9/24/2012 8:51 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: If I don't observe it, then it doesn't matter who/what else observes something, the rest of the universe is still a superposition. It doesn't matter whether or not an interference pattern can be detected. Saibal Dear Saibal, If you are

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/24/2012 11:17 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/24/2012 8:02 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 9/24/2012 9:28 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/24/2012 12:02 PM, John Clark wrote: Thus the moon does not exist when you are not looking at it. Hi John, I

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-24 Thread meekerdb
On 9/24/2012 8:57 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/24/2012 11:17 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/24/2012 8:02 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 9/24/2012 9:28 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/24/2012 12:02 PM, John Clark wrote: Thus the moon does not exist when

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-24 Thread smitra
Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 9/24/2012 8:02 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 9/24/2012 9:28 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/24/2012 12:02 PM, John Clark wrote: Thus the moon does not exist when you are not looking at it. Hi John, I

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-24 Thread smitra
Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 9/24/2012 8:57 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/24/2012 11:17 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/24/2012 8:02 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 9/24/2012 9:28 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/24/2012 12:02 PM, John Clark

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/24/2012 11:55 PM, meekerdb wrote: Or it's Chris Fuch's instrumental Bayesianism which regards QM as just a way of representing one's knowledge of systems. If Chris can extract Bell's theorem from the Bayesian statistics, that would be amazing! I consider QM to be a theory of observers, I

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/25/2012 12:05 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/24/2012 8:57 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/24/2012 11:17 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/24/2012 8:02 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 9/24/2012 9:28 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/24/2012 12:02 PM, John Clark

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/25/2012 12:25 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 9/24/2012 8:57 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/24/2012 11:17 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/24/2012 8:02 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 9/24/2012 9:28 AM, Stephen P.

Re: Nonsense!

2012-09-24 Thread meekerdb
On 9/24/2012 9:25 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 9/24/2012 8:57 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/24/2012 11:17 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/24/2012 8:02 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 9/24/2012 9:28 AM, Stephen P.