Re: Re: A mirror of the universe.
Hi Bruno Marchal OK, let's suppose that the numbers can be considered as ideas in the mind of the One or the Supreme monad, which is the monad for the universe. Then the universe would be the corporeal body. Or something like that. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/29/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-29, 11:54:20 Subject: Re: A mirror of the universe. On 28 Oct 2012, at 23:31, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal I still haven't sorted the issue of numbers out. I suppose I ought to do some research in my Leibniz books. That's OK, but eventually you have to look inward, and see what you think. the solution is in your head, even if Leibniz can help you. Aside from that, monads have to be attached to corporeal bodies, Intensional numbers needs some universal numbers around to make sense. basically the extensional number is the corporeal bodies. They just take the usual shape, when the u number emerges from all computations, apparently. and numbers aren't like that. They are. You can say that a game of life pattern does not look like a number too, but this is just an appearance. I find the following unsatisfactory, but since numbers are like ideas, they can be in the minds of individual homunculi in individual monads, but that doesn't sound satisfactoriy to me. Not universakl enough. I don't get your point. I think you should study the theory of universal machine. I explain a bit of this on the FOAR list. My best guess for now is that the supreme monad (the One) undoubtedly somehow possesses the numbers. The supreme monad might be played by the universal number, but is not the one (God, arithmetical truth). Universal numbers are more the Plotinus' man. They are sigma_1 complete. God, is sigma_i complete for all i. Hurricane coming. Be careful, Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/28/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-27, 09:31:59 Subject: Re: A mirror of the universe. On 26 Oct 2012, at 14:44, Roger Clough wrote: Dear Bruno and Alberto, I agree some what with both of you. As to the idea of a genetic algorithm can isolate anticipative programs, I think that anticipation is the analogue of inertia for computations, as Mach saw inertia. It is a relation between any one and the class of computations that it belongs to such that any incomplete string has a completion in the collections of others like it. This is like an error correction or compression mechanism. -- Onward! Stephen ROGER: For what it's worth--- like Mach's inertia, each monad mirrors the rest of the universe. In arithmetic, each universal numbers mirrors all other universal numbers. The tiny Turing universal part of arithmetical truth is already a dynamical Indra Net. Your monad really looks like the (universal) intensional numbers. Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email
Re: Re: A mirror of the universe.
Hi Bruno Marchal I think you're right. Anyway, I've since decided that the numbers have to be simply a priori. Like the pre-established (a priori) Harmony. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/29/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-29, 13:49:33 Subject: Re: A mirror of the universe. On 29 Oct 2012, at 17:34, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal OK, let's suppose that the numbers can be considered as ideas in the mind of the One or the Supreme monad, which is the monad for the universe. Then the universe would be the corporeal body. Or something like that. Hmm... I don't think this can work. The supreme monads can only dream, the physical universe is when many universal numbers shared their dreams, in some manner. There is no ultimate corporeal body, at least not in the 'usual' sense, as some collection of dreams might point on something very similar. It is complex to explain the picture from scratch. It is simpler to get it by oneself by doing the reasoning. We will see. The supreme monad, as you define it, is just the 'man', or the L?ian universal machine (man is used in a very large but precise sense, it includes plausibly the jumping spiders). You have 8 hypostases: God Man Divine-Man Soul Intelligible matter Divine intelligible Matter Sensible Matter Divine Sensible Matter You supreme monad might be played by the Man or the Divine-Man, or Divine-Intellect (it is Plato's No?). Read some of my papers perhaps, but you might need to study a bit of logic and computer science for this. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/29/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-29, 11:54:20 Subject: Re: A mirror of the universe. On 28 Oct 2012, at 23:31, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal I still haven't sorted the issue of numbers out. I suppose I ought to do some research in my Leibniz books. That's OK, but eventually you have to look inward, and see what you think. the solution is in your head, even if Leibniz can help you. Aside from that, monads have to be attached to corporeal bodies, Intensional numbers needs some universal numbers around to make sense. basically the extensional number is the corporeal bodies. They just take the usual shape, when the u number emerges from all computations, apparently. and numbers aren't like that. They are. You can say that a game of life pattern does not look like a number too, but this is just an appearance. I find the following unsatisfactory, but since numbers are like ideas, they can be in the minds of individual homunculi in individual monads, but that doesn't sound satisfactoriy to me. Not universakl enough. I don't get your point. I think you should study the theory of universal machine. I explain a bit of this on the FOAR list. My best guess for now is that the supreme monad (the One) undoubtedly somehow possesses the numbers. The supreme monad might be played by the universal number, but is not the one (God, arithmetical truth). Universal numbers are more the Plotinus' man. They are sigma_1 complete. God, is sigma_i complete for all i. Hurricane coming. Be careful, Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/28/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-27, 09:31:59 Subject: Re: A mirror of the universe. On 26 Oct 2012, at 14:44, Roger Clough wrote: Dear Bruno and Alberto, I agree some what with both of you. As to the idea of a genetic algorithm can isolate anticipative programs, I think that anticipation is the analogue of inertia for computations, as Mach saw inertia. It is a relation between any one and the class of computations that it belongs to such that any incomplete string has a completion in the collections of others like it. This is like an error correction or compression mechanism. -- Onward! Stephen ROGER: For what it's worth--- like Mach's inertia, each monad mirrors the rest of the universe. In arithmetic, each universal numbers mirrors all other universal numbers. The tiny Turing universal part of arithmetical truth is already a dynamical Indra Net. Your monad really looks like the (universal) intensional numbers. Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything- l
Re: Re: A mirror of the universe.
Hi Bruno Marchal I still haven't sorted the issue of numbers out. I suppose I ought to do some research in my Leibniz books. Aside from that, monads have to be attached to corporeal bodies, and numbers aren't like that. I find the following unsatisfactory, but since numbers are like ideas, they can be in the minds of individual homunculi in individual monads, but that doesn't sound satisfactoriy to me. Not universakl enough. My best guess for now is that the supreme monad (the One) undoubtedly somehow possesses the numbers. Hurricane coming. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/28/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-27, 09:31:59 Subject: Re: A mirror of the universe. On 26 Oct 2012, at 14:44, Roger Clough wrote: Dear Bruno and Alberto, I agree some what with both of you. As to the idea of a genetic algorithm can isolate anticipative programs, I think that anticipation is the analogue of inertia for computations, as Mach saw inertia. It is a relation between any one and the class of computations that it belongs to such that any incomplete string has a completion in the collections of others like it. This is like an error correction or compression mechanism. -- Onward! Stephen ROGER: For what it's worth--- like Mach's inertia, each monad mirrors the rest of the universe. In arithmetic, each universal numbers mirrors all other universal numbers. The tiny Turing universal part of arithmetical truth is already a dynamical Indra Net. Your monad really looks like the (universal) intensional numbers. Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
