Re: Re: A test for solipsism

2012-10-22 Thread Roger Clough
SNIP Hi Bruno and Roger, What would distinguish, for an external observer, a p-zombie from a person that does not see the world external to it as anything other than an internal panorama with which it cannot interact? -- Onward! Stephen Hi Stephan, That sounds like autism to me.

Re: Re: A test for solipsism

2012-10-21 Thread Roger Clough
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-20, 10:11:25 Subject: Re: A test for solipsism On 20 Oct 2012, at 12:38, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal

Re: Re: A test for solipsism

2012-10-21 Thread Roger Clough
WHOEVER: Hi Bruno and Roger, What would distinguish, for an external observer, a p-zombie from a a person that does not see the world external to it as anything other than an internal panorama with which it cannot interact? BRUNO: Nobody can distinguish a p-zombie from a human, even

Re: Re: A test for solipsism

2012-10-20 Thread Roger Clough
be a test of zombieness. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/20/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-19, 03:47:51 Subject: Re: A test for solipsism On 17 Oct

Re: RE: RE: A test for solipsism

2012-10-20 Thread Roger Clough
Time: 2012-10-19, 08:42:36 Subject: RE: RE: A test for solipsism Hi William R. Buckley You can speak to a potential test subject, but it can only reply if it indeed has a mind. This is an assumption you make. This is the Turing test, the results of which are not certain

Re: Re: A test for solipsism

2012-10-20 Thread Alberto G. Corona
- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-19, 03:47:51 Subject: Re: A test for solipsism On 17 Oct 2012, at 19:12, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Sorry, I lost the thread on the doctor, and don't know what Craig believes about the p-zombie. http

Re: Re: Re: A test for solipsism

2012-10-19 Thread Roger Clough
Time: 2012-10-18, 17:48:57 Subject: Re: Re: A test for solipsism On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 01:58:29PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stathis Papaioannou If a zombie really has a mind it could converse with you. If not, not. If true, then you have demonstrated the non-existence

Re: RE: A test for solipsism

2012-10-19 Thread Roger Clough
/19/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: William R. Buckley Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-18, 21:36:39 Subject: RE: A test for solipsism Just because the individual holds the position that he/she

RE: RE: A test for solipsism

2012-10-19 Thread William R. Buckley
is muddled, Mr. Clough. wrb etc. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/19/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: William R. Buckley Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-18, 21:36:39 Subject: RE: A test

Re: Re: A test for solipsism

2012-10-18 Thread Roger Clough
: everything-list@googlegroups.com Time: 2012-10-18, 13:26:16 Subject: Re: A test for solipsism On 18/10/2012, at 4:12 AM, Roger Clough wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie A philosophical zombie or p-zombie in the philosophy of mind and perception is a hypothetical

Re: Re: A test for solipsism

2012-10-18 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 01:58:29PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stathis Papaioannou If a zombie really has a mind it could converse with you. If not, not. If true, then you have demonstrated the non-existence of zombies (zombies, by definition, are indistinguishable from real people).