Re: Re: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?
Hi Craig Weinberg The fact is that the only incentive businesses look to is profit. So demonizing profit doesn't do any good. And urging them to hire workers doesn't work. Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/13/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-12, 20:03:27 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:32:21 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg I am intolerant of stupidity and deception, particularly when the idea of carbon credits pops up. This suggests that Global warming is just a method of raising taxes, diminishing coal and oil, and even globally sharing the wealth. Thankfully china won't go along with this stupidity. It all seems to be politics rather than science. I don't know enough about it to say too much about it. I think that the point is to make it political so that the greatest polluters will have an incentive to pollute less. Otherwise, why would they ever reduce emissions? Personally I think that the only issue that matters is overpopulation. As long as we have seven billion people making billions more people, nothing will stop the devaluation of they quality of human life, and of human lives. Whether it's the threat of running out of oil, food, water, or money, it doesn't really matter which comes first. It's like putting more and more fish in an overstocked fish tank, the bigger ones just eat more and more of the smaller ones while the whole thing fills up with crap. Craig Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/11/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 00:40:08 Subject: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? Hi Roger, It's ok not to be obsessed with cleaning up the environment, but why be intolerant of people who are? Same with people who spend a lot of time talking in public about issues of racial discrimination. If you are going to speak and act on behalf of millions of people who are not speaking and acting, it is understandable that you might also be the type of person who is strongly motivated. What you don't seem to appreciate is that being able to not have to think about race is a luxury that non-whites do not have. That doesn't mean you have to make the world fair for everyone, but the least that we who have that luxury could do is acknowledge that we have that privilege. Have you ever considered what it would be like for you in a world with an alternate history? Where the Cherokee Nation developed guns and steel before the Europeans and colonized it using Siberian slaves instead? You could listen to descendants of those invaders and slavers discuss how the whining of pink people, their scapegoats and victims for centuries in a hostile land, is really not their cup of tea. Craig On Monday, September 10, 2012 7:19:44 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Not that I am against cleaning up the environment, but I am not obsessed with the idea. Integrating with Nature is also a main principle of the Communist Manifesto. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/10/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-09, 16:23:54 Subject: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? On Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:58:32 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 9/9/2012 2:21 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, September 9, 2012 1:41:37 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Craig, Why are we even considering the thoughts of paranoids? Are they in control of our daily lives? Hi Stephen, I agree, I was responding to what Roger said about liberals: ironically and paradoxically they see the world in terms of race. Conservatives attempt to live by facts. I never saw racism in what what I wrote until you brought the subject up. which sounded to me like 'conservatives aren't racist, liberals are', which - although conservative thought has some admirable virtues, I can say without hesitation that tolerance for racial and gender diversity is not one of them. That's why I brought up JBS and KKK, to show the absurdity of that claim, since the most racist hate groups are known to be political right wing extremists and not left wing extremists. HI Craig, The contest of recrimination is not winnable, but let's try for the sake of the discussion. Personally I don't know of any left wing extremist groups in this country - not that there aren't any but even self-proclaimed anarchists seem to stay out of trouble. I
Re: Re: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?
On Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:33:47 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg The fact is that the only incentive businesses look to is profit. So demonizing profit doesn't do any good. And urging them to hire workers doesn't work. Sounds exactly like cancer. The only incentive cancer looks to is growth. As long as any institution partitions itself off from responsibility to the full spectrum of human experience I think it is doomed to be a force for oppression. You can tell when this happens because the effect of the institution is inverted to its cause. Businesses perpetuate financial bondage rather than freedom. Hospitals perpetuate sickness and misery rather than health. Schools neutralize intellectual curiosity. Religions foment intolerance and the abuse of the innocent. It's inevitable since by definition the first order of business for an institution is to ensure its own growth and survival at all costs...which becomes the sole purpose forever. Craig Clough, rcl...@verizon.net javascript: 9/13/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-12, 20:03:27 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:32:21 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg I am intolerant of stupidity and deception, particularly when the idea of carbon credits pops up. This suggests that Global warming is just a method of raising taxes, diminishing coal and oil, and even globally sharing the wealth. Thankfully china won't go along with this stupidity. It all seems to be politics rather than science. I don't know enough about it to say too much about it. I think that the point is to make it political so that the greatest polluters will have an incentive to pollute less. Otherwise, why would they ever reduce emissions? Personally I think that the only issue that matters is overpopulation. As long as we have seven billion people making billions more people, nothing will stop the devaluation of they quality of human life, and of human lives. Whether it's the threat of running out of oil, food, water, or money, it doesn't really matter which comes first. It's like putting more and more fish in an overstocked fish tank, the bigger ones just eat more and more of the smaller ones while the whole thing fills up with crap. Craig Roger Clough, rcl...@verizon.net javascript: 9/11/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 00:40:08 Subject: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? Hi Roger, It's ok not to be obsessed with cleaning up the environment, but why be intolerant of people who are? Same with people who spend a lot of time talking in public about issues of racial discrimination. If you are going to speak and act on behalf of millions of people who are not speaking and acting, it is understandable that you might also be the type of person who is strongly motivated. What you don't seem to appreciate is that being able to not have to think about race is a luxury that non-whites do not have. That doesn't mean you have to make the world fair for everyone, but the least that we who have that luxury could do is acknowledge that we have that privilege. Have you ever considered what it would be like for you in a world with an alternate history? Where the Cherokee Nation developed guns and steel before the Europeans and colonized it using Siberian slaves instead? You could listen to descendants of those invaders and slavers discuss how the whining of pink people, their scapegoats and victims for centuries in a hostile land, is really not their cup of tea. Craig On Monday, September 10, 2012 7:19:44 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Not that I am against cleaning up the environment, but I am not obsessed with the idea. Integrating with Nature is also a main principle of the Communist Manifesto. Roger Clough, rcl...@verizon.net javascript: 9/10/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-09, 16:23:54 Subject: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? On Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:58:32 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 9/9/2012 2:21 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, September 9, 2012 1:41:37 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Craig, Why are we even considering the thoughts of paranoids? Are they in control of our daily lives? Hi Stephen
Re: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?
On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:32:21 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg I am intolerant of stupidity and deception, particularly when the idea of carbon credits pops up. This suggests that Global warming is just a method of raising taxes, diminishing coal and oil, and even globally sharing the wealth. Thankfully china won't go along with this stupidity. It all seems to be politics rather than science. I don't know enough about it to say too much about it. I think that the point is to make it political so that the greatest polluters will have an incentive to pollute less. Otherwise, why would they ever reduce emissions? Personally I think that the only issue that matters is overpopulation. As long as we have seven billion people making billions more people, nothing will stop the devaluation of they quality of human life, and of human lives. Whether it's the threat of running out of oil, food, water, or money, it doesn't really matter which comes first. It's like putting more and more fish in an overstocked fish tank, the bigger ones just eat more and more of the smaller ones while the whole thing fills up with crap. Craig Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net javascript: 9/11/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Craig Weinberg javascript: *Receiver:* everything-list javascript: *Time:* 2012-09-11, 00:40:08 *Subject:* Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? Hi Roger, It's ok not to be obsessed with cleaning up the environment, but why be intolerant of people who are? Same with people who spend a lot of time talking in public about issues of racial discrimination. If you are going to speak and act on behalf of millions of people who are not speaking and acting, it is understandable that you might also be the type of person who is strongly motivated. What you don't seem to appreciate is that being able to not have to think about race is a luxury that non-whites do not have. That doesn't mean you have to make the world fair for everyone, but the least that we who have that luxury could do is acknowledge that we have that privilege. Have you ever considered what it would be like for you in a world with an alternate history? Where the Cherokee Nation developed guns and steel before the Europeans and colonized it using Siberian slaves instead? You could listen to descendants of those invaders and slavers discuss how the whining of pink people, their scapegoats and victims for centuries in a hostile land, is really not their cup of tea. Craig On Monday, September 10, 2012 7:19:44 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Not that I am against cleaning up the environment, but I am not obsessed with the idea. Integrating with Nature is also a main principle of the Communist Manifesto. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/10/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Craig Weinberg *Receiver:* everything-list *Time:* 2012-09-09, 16:23:54 *Subject:* Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? On Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:58:32 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 9/9/2012 2:21 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, September 9, 2012 1:41:37 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Craig, Why are we even considering the thoughts of paranoids? Are they in control of our daily lives? Hi Stephen, I agree, I was responding to what Roger said about liberals: ironically and paradoxically they see the world in terms of race. Conservatives attempt to live by facts. I never saw racism in what what I wrote until you brought the subject up. which sounded to me like 'conservatives aren't racist, liberals are', which - although conservative thought has some admirable virtues, I can say without hesitation that tolerance for racial and gender diversity is not one of them. That's why I brought up JBS and KKK, to show the absurdity of that claim, since the most racist hate groups are known to be political right wing extremists and not left wing extremists. HI Craig, The contest of recrimination is not winnable, but let's try for the sake of the discussion. Personally I don't know of any left wing extremist groups in this country - not that there aren't any but even self-proclaimed anarchists seem to stay out of trouble. I guess that you have never heard of 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_First! 2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front I had heard of Earth First but not much. Yeah, I think it's fair to call them left wing eco-terrorists. Unfortunately the way they are going about it, using arson and destruction will only serve to discredit their cause and provide a ready excuse
Re: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?
Hi Craig Weinberg I am intolerant of stupidity and deception, particularly when the idea of carbon credits pops up. This suggests that Global warming is just a method of raising taxes, diminishing coal and oil, and even globally sharing the wealth. Thankfully china won't go along with this stupidity. It all seems to be politics rather than science. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/11/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 00:40:08 Subject: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? Hi Roger, It's ok not to be obsessed with cleaning up the environment, but why be intolerant of people who are? Same with people who spend a lot of time talking in public about issues of racial discrimination. If you are going to speak and act on behalf of millions of people who are not speaking and acting, it is understandable that you might also be the type of person who is strongly motivated. What you don't seem to appreciate is that being able to not have to think about race is a luxury that non-whites do not have. That doesn't mean you have to make the world fair for everyone, but the least that we who have that luxury could do is acknowledge that we have that privilege. Have you ever considered what it would be like for you in a world with an alternate history? Where the Cherokee Nation developed guns and steel before the Europeans and colonized it using Siberian slaves instead? You could listen to descendants of those invaders and slavers discuss how the whining of pink people, their scapegoats and victims for centuries in a hostile land, is really not their cup of tea. Craig On Monday, September 10, 2012 7:19:44 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Not that I am against cleaning up the environment, but I am not obsessed with the idea. Integrating with Nature is also a main principle of the Communist Manifesto. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/10/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-09, 16:23:54 Subject: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? On Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:58:32 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 9/9/2012 2:21 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, September 9, 2012 1:41:37 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Craig, Why are we even considering the thoughts of paranoids? Are they in control of our daily lives? Hi Stephen, I agree, I was responding to what Roger said about liberals: ironically and paradoxically they see the world in terms of race. Conservatives attempt to live by facts. I never saw racism in what what I wrote until you brought the subject up. which sounded to me like 'conservatives aren't racist, liberals are', which - although conservative thought has some admirable virtues, I can say without hesitation that tolerance for racial and gender diversity is not one of them. That's why I brought up JBS and KKK, to show the absurdity of that claim, since the most racist hate groups are known to be political right wing extremists and not left wing extremists. HI Craig, The contest of recrimination is not winnable, but let's try for the sake of the discussion. Personally I don't know of any left wing extremist groups in this country - not that there aren't any but even self-proclaimed anarchists seem to stay out of trouble. I guess that you have never heard of 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_First! 2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front I had heard of Earth First but not much. Yeah, I think it's fair to call them left wing eco-terrorists. Unfortunately the way they are going about it, using arson and destruction will only serve to discredit their cause and provide a ready excuse for stepping up surveillance and security operations around the world. I don't think that mainstream liberals are aware or support groups like this though generally. Contrary to the overwhelming drift to the right by conservatives, groups like these have not seemed to influence the politics of the mainstream (Democrats can't really even be called liberals, more like fiscal conservatives who are socially moderate). 3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenpeace What do they do that is bad? Do they threaten innocent people? Maybe they are over-zealous and unrealistic about ecological priorities but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the global machine they are up against. From what I see it looks like they mainly are concerned with protecting human beings in general: http://yqyq.net/81737-Istoriya_i_dostizheniya_Greenpeace.html Certainly they are not racists or bullies of innocent people. 4) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
Re: Re: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?
Hi Craig Weinberg Thanks. Then I don't support the John Birch Society. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/10/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-09, 10:30:51 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? On Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:25:57 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg I really don't know much about the John Birch Society, The John Birch Society has its roots in the 1950s when it opposed the U.S.? affirming the human rights principles of the United Nations. It was used as a grassroots corollary to McCarthyism, insisting that imagined Communists were standing behind every light pole, ready to end the world as we know it. It still sees itself as fighting Communism, as well as the New World Order (whatever that is!), big government, the Civil Rights Movement, feminism, wealth redistribution and more. You are not likely to hear the John Birch Society using epithets or spewing base language; its values are more carefully hidden behind flag-waving and obscure and irrelevant legal principles. Its words are cloaked in concern for the direction of the nation. John Birchers opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act, saying it violates the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution and overstepped the rights of individual states to enact laws regarding civil rights. On its website, the John Birch Society complains that President Obama - the man who got fawning media treatment for no reason, was elected with a thin resume and exalted without even being a king - has now been given the Noble Peace Prize. The John Birch Society also opposes health care reform, gun control, public schools and a host of other progressive causes. The Right-wing watch group, Public Research Associates, notes: (T)he Birch society pioneered the encoding of implicit cultural forms of ethnocentric White racism and Christian nationalist antisemitism rather than relying on the White supremacist biological determinism and open loathing of Jews that had typified the old right prior to WWII. Throughout its existence, however, the Society has promoted open homophobia and sexism. Because it is more libertarian than openly racist, anti-Semitic and sexist, the John Birch Society is often not characterized as a hate group like the Ku Klux Klan or the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), at least as defined by the Southern Poverty Law Center. One way the John Birch Society escapes that designation is because it receives support from prominent politicians and elected officials. Birchers work hard to mask the anti-human rights beliefs that underlie their opinions. (from http://archive.truthout.org/topstories/112909ms1) but googling it up, find that it was once falsely accused of being racist, no doubt due to over-zealous liberal hatred of conservatism. The KKK was very racist. As far as I know it's mostly dead. Good. Huh? Hate groups are huge. The KKK is pretty small (about 100 chapters and 5000 members from the estimate I just saw), but there are many more Aryan groups, growing fast. As has been pointed out - not all conservatives are racists, but clearly the overwhelming majority (perhaps all?) racists are conservative. There are no liberals in any hate groups. A greater sin, IMHO is political correctness, supported by Al-qaeda, which is sending America down the toilet. If you don't see that, no amount of explaining on my part will enlighten you. Political correctness certainly can be irritating, but it is also important to protect groups who are vulnerable from threats that escalate violence. Anti-American/Anti-Western terrorism around the world is certainly a threat, but not really a significant one for American citizens. Certainly nothing on the order of the response, which has amounted to open surveillance and unrestrained powers of control over the population. There is a far, far greater chance of being struck by lightning than being affected by terrorism: A companion piece in the Wall Street Journal lays out the statistics. Since 2000, the odds of you dying as a result of a terrorist act aboard a commercial American airliner is 1 in 25 million. The odds of getting struck by lightning: 1 in 500,000. http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2010/01/odds_of_dying_in_terrorist_attack_on_airline_1_in_25_million_struck_by_lightning_1_in_50.php Political correctness has not frozen wages for 35 years. Political correctness has not outsourced millions of jobs. Political correctness doesn't evade paying taxes in offshore accounts and lobbying for tax cuts for the rich. It didn't deregulate the banking industry and make billions of dollars disappear into a few people's pockets. These are the things that threaten America. Political correctness? What? Rush Limbaugh is being
Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?
Hi Craig Weinberg Liberals aren't necessarily racists, but most are those obsessed with racial issues, and a few even worse, the race-baiters. If I criticise the president, I am called a racist. Not true by a long shot. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are good examples of race-baiters. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/10/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-09, 14:21:30 Subject: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? On Sunday, September 9, 2012 1:41:37 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Craig, Why are we even considering the thoughts of paranoids? Are they in control of our daily lives? Hi Stephen, I agree, I was responding to what Roger said about liberals: ironically and paradoxically they see the world in terms of race. Conservatives attempt to live by facts. I never saw racism in what what I wrote until you brought the subject up. which sounded to me like 'conservatives aren't racist, liberals are', which - although conservative thought has some admirable virtues, I can say without hesitation that tolerance for racial and gender diversity is not one of them. That's why I brought up JBS and KKK, to show the absurdity of that claim, since the most racist hate groups are known to be political right wing extremists and not left wing extremists. Personally I don't know of any left wing extremist groups in this country - not that there aren't any but even self-proclaimed anarchists seem to stay out of trouble. In other parts of the world, there are certainly left-wing violent extremists but I don't guess that they are racially motivated in particular (unless maybe the distribution of wealth and power falls along racial lines in their area). What are the left wing presences in the US? Farmers markets? Small organizations that try to help people get birth control or protect people from being poisoned by industry? To my mind, while I can understand why liberals would be criticized as whiny, weak, and impractical, I think conservatives who do not understand why they are criticized as racist, anti-intellectual bullies are in deep denial or just sheltered from other viewpoints. Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/lM3is6k4vVUJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?
Hi Craig Weinberg Not that I am against cleaning up the environment, but I am not obsessed with the idea. Integrating with Nature is also a main principle of the Communist Manifesto. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/10/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-09, 16:23:54 Subject: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? On Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:58:32 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 9/9/2012 2:21 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, September 9, 2012 1:41:37 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Craig, Why are we even considering the thoughts of paranoids? Are they in control of our daily lives? Hi Stephen, I agree, I was responding to what Roger said about liberals: ironically and paradoxically they see the world in terms of race. Conservatives attempt to live by facts. I never saw racism in what what I wrote until you brought the subject up. which sounded to me like 'conservatives aren't racist, liberals are', which - although conservative thought has some admirable virtues, I can say without hesitation that tolerance for racial and gender diversity is not one of them. That's why I brought up JBS and KKK, to show the absurdity of that claim, since the most racist hate groups are known to be political right wing extremists and not left wing extremists. HI Craig, The contest of recrimination is not winnable, but let's try for the sake of the discussion. Personally I don't know of any left wing extremist groups in this country - not that there aren't any but even self-proclaimed anarchists seem to stay out of trouble. I guess that you have never heard of 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_First! 2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front I had heard of Earth First but not much. Yeah, I think it's fair to call them left wing eco-terrorists. Unfortunately the way they are going about it, using arson and destruction will only serve to discredit their cause and provide a ready excuse for stepping up surveillance and security operations around the world. I don't think that mainstream liberals are aware or support groups like this though generally. Contrary to the overwhelming drift to the right by conservatives, groups like these have not seemed to influence the politics of the mainstream (Democrats can't really even be called liberals, more like fiscal conservatives who are socially moderate). 3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenpeace What do they do that is bad? Do they threaten innocent people? Maybe they are over-zealous and unrealistic about ecological priorities but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the global machine they are up against. From what I see it looks like they mainly are concerned with protecting human beings in general: http://yqyq.net/81737-Istoriya_i_dostizheniya_Greenpeace.html Certainly they are not racists or bullies of innocent people. 4) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_a_Democratic_Society SDS lasted from 1960-1969, so it hasn't been relevant for almost 50 years. I had a professor who was in SDS. Extremely nice and gentle guy. He said he had a metal plate in his skull from the FBI. His class was on revolutionary movements, talked about SDS, the IWW and labor unions. He seemed to have a mature and reasonable perspective on the 60s need more? sure. my point was about racism though. Are there any groups of white racists who are liberal? In other parts of the world, there are certainly left-wing violent extremists but I don't guess that they are racially motivated in particular (unless maybe the distribution of wealth and power falls along racial lines in their area). What are the left wing presences in the US? Farmers markets? Small organizations that try to help people get birth control or protect people from being poisoned by industry? It might be helpful if you laid out for us the definition of the terms that you are using. What exactly is left-wing and right-wing? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics Why can't we just get along? The left wing are those who see themselves as being the people who want to just get along or, if politically active, oppose those who prevent us from getting along. Left wing means tolerance, which means a certain degree of intolerance of intolerance. That's where it gets dicey. I'm not sure who the right wing thinks they are. Patriots? Grownups who don't like to see people get anything without paying a price? Not sure. To my mind, while I can understand why liberals would be criticized as whiny, weak, and impractical, I think conservatives who do not understand why they are criticized as racist, anti-intellectual bullies are in deep denial or just sheltered from
Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?
Hi Roger, It's ok not to be obsessed with cleaning up the environment, but why be intolerant of people who are? Same with people who spend a lot of time talking in public about issues of racial discrimination. If you are going to speak and act on behalf of millions of people who are not speaking and acting, it is understandable that you might also be the type of person who is strongly motivated. What you don't seem to appreciate is that being able to not have to think about race is a luxury that non-whites do not have. That doesn't mean you have to make the world fair for everyone, but the least that we who have that luxury could do is acknowledge that we have that privilege. Have you ever considered what it would be like for you in a world with an alternate history? Where the Cherokee Nation developed guns and steel before the Europeans and colonized it using Siberian slaves instead? You could listen to descendants of those invaders and slavers discuss how the whining of pink people, their scapegoats and victims for centuries in a hostile land, is really not their cup of tea. Craig On Monday, September 10, 2012 7:19:44 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Not that I am against cleaning up the environment, but I am not obsessed with the idea. Integrating with Nature is also a main principle of the Communist Manifesto. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net javascript: 9/10/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Craig Weinberg javascript: *Receiver:* everything-list javascript: *Time:* 2012-09-09, 16:23:54 *Subject:* Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? On Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:58:32 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 9/9/2012 2:21 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, September 9, 2012 1:41:37 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Craig, Why are we even considering the thoughts of paranoids? Are they in control of our daily lives? Hi Stephen, I agree, I was responding to what Roger said about liberals: ironically and paradoxically they see the world in terms of race. Conservatives attempt to live by facts. I never saw racism in what what I wrote until you brought the subject up. which sounded to me like 'conservatives aren't racist, liberals are', which - although conservative thought has some admirable virtues, I can say without hesitation that tolerance for racial and gender diversity is not one of them. That's why I brought up JBS and KKK, to show the absurdity of that claim, since the most racist hate groups are known to be political right wing extremists and not left wing extremists. HI Craig, The contest of recrimination is not winnable, but let's try for the sake of the discussion. Personally I don't know of any left wing extremist groups in this country - not that there aren't any but even self-proclaimed anarchists seem to stay out of trouble. I guess that you have never heard of 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_First! 2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front I had heard of Earth First but not much. Yeah, I think it's fair to call them left wing eco-terrorists. Unfortunately the way they are going about it, using arson and destruction will only serve to discredit their cause and provide a ready excuse for stepping up surveillance and security operations around the world. I don't think that mainstream liberals are aware or support groups like this though generally. Contrary to the overwhelming drift to the right by conservatives, groups like these have not seemed to influence the politics of the mainstream (Democrats can't really even be called liberals, more like fiscal conservatives who are socially moderate). 3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenpeace What do they do that is bad? Do they threaten innocent people? Maybe they are over-zealous and unrealistic about ecological priorities but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the global machine they are up against. From what I see it looks like they mainly are concerned with protecting human beings in general: http://yqyq.net/81737-Istoriya_i_dostizheniya_Greenpeace.html Certainly they are not racists or bullies of innocent people. 4) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_a_Democratic_Society SDS lasted from 1960-1969, so it hasn't been relevant for almost 50 years. I had a professor who was in SDS. Extremely nice and gentle guy. He said he had a metal plate in his skull from the FBI. His class was on revolutionary movements, talked about SDS, the IWW and labor unions. He seemed to have a mature and reasonable perspective on the 60s need more? sure. my point was about racism though. Are there any groups of white racists who are liberal? In other parts of the world, there are certainly left
Re: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?
the population. There is a far, far greater chance of being struck by lightning than being affected by terrorism: A companion piecehttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703481004574646963713065116.htmlin the *Wall Street Journal* lays out the statistics. Since 2000, the odds of you dying as a result of a terrorist act aboard a commercial American airliner is 1 in 25 million. The odds of getting struck by lightning: 1 in 500,000. http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2010/01/odds_of_dying_in_terrorist_attack_on_airline_1_in_25_million_struck_by_lightning_1_in_50.php Political correctness has not frozen wages for 35 years. Political correctness has not outsourced millions of jobs. Political correctness doesn't evade paying taxes in offshore accounts and lobbying for tax cuts for the rich. It didn't deregulate the banking industry and make billions of dollars disappear into a few people's pockets. These are the things that threaten America. Political correctness? What? Rush Limbaugh is being hampered in his free expression by liberals? The threat has always been fascism - from the left or the right. Hate, not politeness. Brutality not sensitivity. As you say though, if you don't see that already, I can't make you see it. Craig Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/9/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Craig Weinberg *Receiver:* everything-list *Time:* 2012-09-08, 13:30:43 *Subject:* Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? On Saturday, September 8, 2012 9:34:45 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: because ironically and paradoxically they see the world in terms of race. Conservatives attempt to live by facts. I never saw racism in what what I wrote until you brought the subject up. Are you familiar with the KKK? The John Birch Society? Would you call those liberal organizations? I don't want to get into a political flame war, but just so you know, liberals do not see the world in terms of race, but they are prejudiced against conservatives because they see them as people who are unaware of their own ignorance of the facts and uncaring of the consequences of that ignorance. Of course that may not be the case, but any of the hundreds of millions of liberals who might read what you have written there will interpret it in precisely that way. Personally, my theory is that people generally imitate or contradict the political orientation of the first strongly political person they are exposed to in their life. Usually a parent or older sibling - if they like them, they see the political world through their eyes, if they dislike them, they seek to prove themselves unlike them. It's really that simple. Very few people research politics methodically and impartially and formulate a set of opinions based on 'facts'. Craig Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** msg/everything-list/-/VErj_**ANZX8wJhttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/VErj_ANZX8wJ . To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@** googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/everything-list?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/CZH0mviPLMwJ. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/8oRmwuSGqRoJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?
Hi Craig Weinberg I really don't know much about the John Birch Society, but googling it up, find that it was once falsely accused of being racist, no doubt due to over-zealous liberal hatred of conservatism. The KKK was very racist. As far as I know it's mostly dead. Good. A greater sin, IMHO is political correctness, supported by Al-qaeda, which is sending America down the toilet. If you don't see that, no amount of explaining on my part will enlighten you. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/9/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-08, 13:30:43 Subject: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? On Saturday, September 8, 2012 9:34:45 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: because ironically and paradoxically they see the world in terms of race. Conservatives attempt to live by facts. I never saw racism in what what I wrote until you brought the subject up. Are you familiar with the KKK? The John Birch Society? Would you call those liberal organizations? I don't want to get into a political flame war, but just so you know, liberals do not see the world in terms of race, but they are prejudiced against conservatives because they see them as people who are unaware of their own ignorance of the facts and uncaring of the consequences of that ignorance. Of course that may not be the case, but any of the hundreds of millions of liberals who might read what you have written there will interpret it in precisely that way. Personally, my theory is that people generally imitate or contradict the political orientation of the first strongly political person they are exposed to in their life. Usually a parent or older sibling - if they like them, they see the political world through their eyes, if they dislike them, they seek to prove themselves unlike them. It's really that simple. Very few people research politics methodically and impartially and formulate a set of opinions based on 'facts'. Craig Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/VErj_ANZX8wJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?
I don't see sins, I merely prefer wrongs as in: not appropriate to circumstance, on which there is never a final ruling. Stauffenberg tried to murder Hitler; had he succeeded, would that be an example of wrong or heroism or some mixed bag, yet again? As a cowboy, I meet both liberal and conservative, and I almost don't care anymore. The liberals generally lack a sense of accounting/economic limits, or a precise program to re-frame these to minimize shocks to transition towards something better, without endangering the economic livelihoods of millions of people, and conservatives rarely exhibit compassion/empathy or a willingness to dream of something better. Any conception of political correctness is rooted in discrimination between outside, prohibited behavior, and inside, politically correct behavior. The kind of thinking that persuades itself that it can clearly distinguish between right and wrong, sins and good, in a total, universal sense, is either performing a guru or... So in a sense, Roger, your enlightened perspective here IS the kind of thinking that conjures up/creates the political correctness problem it attacks. On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg I really don't know much about the John Birch Society, but googling it up, find that it was once falsely accused of being racist, no doubt due to over-zealous liberal hatred of conservatism. The KKK was very racist. As far as I know it's mostly dead. Good. A greater sin, IMHO is political correctness, supported by Al-qaeda, which is sending America down the toilet. If you don't see that, no amount of explaining on my part will enlighten you. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/9/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com *Receiver:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2012-09-08, 13:30:43 *Subject:* Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? On Saturday, September 8, 2012 9:34:45 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: because ironically and paradoxically they see the world in terms of race. Conservatives attempt to live by facts. I never saw racism in what what I wrote until you brought the subject up. Are you familiar with the KKK? The John Birch Society? Would you call those liberal organizations? I don't want to get into a political flame war, but just so you know, liberals do not see the world in terms of race, but they are prejudiced against conservatives because they see them as people who are unaware of their own ignorance of the facts and uncaring of the consequences of that ignorance. Of course that may not be the case, but any of the hundreds of millions of liberals who might read what you have written there will interpret it in precisely that way. Personally, my theory is that people generally imitate or contradict the political orientation of the first strongly political person they are exposed to in their life. Usually a parent or older sibling - if they like them, they see the political world through their eyes, if they dislike them, they seek to prove themselves unlike them. It's really that simple. Very few people research politics methodically and impartially and formulate a set of opinions based on 'facts'. Craig Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/VErj_ANZX8wJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?
. It didn't deregulate the banking industry and make billions of dollars disappear into a few people's pockets. These are the things that threaten America. Political correctness? What? Rush Limbaugh is being hampered in his free expression by liberals? The threat has always been fascism - from the left or the right. Hate, not politeness. Brutality not sensitivity. As you say though, if you don't see that already, I can't make you see it. Craig Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net javascript: 9/9/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Craig Weinberg javascript: *Receiver:* everything-list javascript: *Time:* 2012-09-08, 13:30:43 *Subject:* Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? On Saturday, September 8, 2012 9:34:45 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: because ironically and paradoxically they see the world in terms of race. Conservatives attempt to live by facts. I never saw racism in what what I wrote until you brought the subject up. Are you familiar with the KKK? The John Birch Society? Would you call those liberal organizations? I don't want to get into a political flame war, but just so you know, liberals do not see the world in terms of race, but they are prejudiced against conservatives because they see them as people who are unaware of their own ignorance of the facts and uncaring of the consequences of that ignorance. Of course that may not be the case, but any of the hundreds of millions of liberals who might read what you have written there will interpret it in precisely that way. Personally, my theory is that people generally imitate or contradict the political orientation of the first strongly political person they are exposed to in their life. Usually a parent or older sibling - if they like them, they see the political world through their eyes, if they dislike them, they seek to prove themselves unlike them. It's really that simple. Very few people research politics methodically and impartially and formulate a set of opinions based on 'facts'. Craig Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/VErj_ANZX8wJ. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/CZH0mviPLMwJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?
by lightning: 1 in 500,000. http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2010/01/odds_of_dying_in_terrorist_attack_on_airline_1_in_25_million_struck_by_lightning_1_in_50.php Political correctness has not frozen wages for 35 years. Political correctness has not outsourced millions of jobs. Political correctness doesn't evade paying taxes in offshore accounts and lobbying for tax cuts for the rich. It didn't deregulate the banking industry and make billions of dollars disappear into a few people's pockets. These are the things that threaten America. Political correctness? What? Rush Limbaugh is being hampered in his free expression by liberals? The threat has always been fascism - from the left or the right. Hate, not politeness. Brutality not sensitivity. As you say though, if you don't see that already, I can't make you see it. Craig Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/9/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Craig Weinberg *Receiver:* everything-list *Time:* 2012-09-08, 13:30:43 *Subject:* Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? On Saturday, September 8, 2012 9:34:45 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: because ironically and paradoxically they see the world in terms of race. Conservatives attempt to live by facts. I never saw racism in what what I wrote until you brought the subject up. Are you familiar with the KKK? The John Birch Society? Would you call those liberal organizations? I don't want to get into a political flame war, but just so you know, liberals do not see the world in terms of race, but they are prejudiced against conservatives because they see them as people who are unaware of their own ignorance of the facts and uncaring of the consequences of that ignorance. Of course that may not be the case, but any of the hundreds of millions of liberals who might read what you have written there will interpret it in precisely that way. Personally, my theory is that people generally imitate or contradict the political orientation of the first strongly political person they are exposed to in their life. Usually a parent or older sibling - if they like them, they see the political world through their eyes, if they dislike them, they seek to prove themselves unlike them. It's really that simple. Very few people research politics methodically and impartially and formulate a set of opinions based on 'facts'. Craig Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** msg/everything-list/-/VErj_**ANZX8wJhttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/VErj_ANZX8wJ . To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@** googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/everything-list?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/CZH0mviPLMwJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?
Hi Bruno Marchal OK, I see, you think I judge the abilities of people by the color of their skin. So you call me a racist. You might be a liberal, because ironically and paradoxically they see the world in terms of race. Conservatives attempt to live by facts. I never saw racism in what what I wrote until you brought the subject up. I don't mean to offend you with this talk of politics. Conservatives are not perfect either. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/8/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-08, 04:46:38 Subject: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ? On 07 Sep 2012, at 15:00, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Racism ? How's that implied ? Do you accept that your daughter marry a man who has undergone an artificial brain transplant? But I do agree that perception and Cs are not understandable with materialistic concepts at least as they are commonly used. Instead they are what the mind can sense, OK. as a sixth sense. Hmm... The mind is similar to driving a car through Platoville and watching the static events in passing. OK. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/7/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-06, 14:12:37 Subject: Re: Sane2004 Step One On 05 Sep 2012, at 18:12, Roger Clough wrote: I don't think that life or mind or intelligence can be teleported. Especially since nobody knows what they are. I also don't believe that you can download the contents of somebody's brain. This is just restating that you don't believe in comp. OK, develop your theory, and predict something testable, and we will better understand what you mean. If not it looks just like a form of racism based on magic. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/5/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-05, 11:04:53 Subject: Re: Sane2004 Step One On 05 Sep 2012, at 06:14, meekerdb wrote: On 9/4/2012 7:19 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 06:48:58PM -0700, Craig Weinberg wrote: I have problems with all three of the comp assumptions: *yes, doctor*: This is really the sleight of hand that props up the entire thought experiment. If you agree that you are nothing but your brain function and that your brain function can be replaced by the functioning of non-brain devices, then you have already agreed that human individuality is a universal commodity. Calling it a sleight of hand is a bit rough. It is the meat of the comp assumption, and spelling it out this way makes it very explicit. Either you agree you can be copied (without feeling a thing), or you don't. If you do, you must face up to the consequences of the argument, if you don't, then you do not accept computationalism, and the consequences of the UDA do not apply to your worldview. I suppose I can be copied. But does it follow that I am just the computations in my brain. It seems likely that I also require an outside environment/world with which I interact in order to remain conscious. Bruno passes this off by saying it's just a matter of the level of substitution, perhaps your local environment or even the whole galaxy must be replaced by a digital representation in order to maintain your consciousness unchanged. But this bothers me. Suppose it is the whole galaxy, or the whole observed universe. Does it really mean anything then to say your brain has been replaced ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE? It's just the assertion that everything is computable. That's a good argument for saying that the level of substitution is not that low. But the reasoning would still go through, and we would lead to a unique computable universe. That is the only way to make a digital physics consistent (as I forget to say sometimes). Then you get a more complex other mind problem, and something like David Nyman- Hoyle beam would be needed, and would need to be separate from the physical reality, making the big physical whole incomplete, etc. yes this bothers me too. Needless to say, I tend to believe that if comp is true, the level is much higher. *Church thesis*: Views computation in isolation, irrespective of resources, supervenience on object-formed computing elements, etc. This is a theoretical theory of computation, completely divorced from realism from the start. What is it that does the computing? How and why does data
Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?
On Saturday, September 8, 2012 9:34:45 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: because ironically and paradoxically they see the world in terms of race. Conservatives attempt to live by facts. I never saw racism in what what I wrote until you brought the subject up. Are you familiar with the KKK? The John Birch Society? Would you call those liberal organizations? I don't want to get into a political flame war, but just so you know, liberals do not see the world in terms of race, but they are prejudiced against conservatives because they see them as people who are unaware of their own ignorance of the facts and uncaring of the consequences of that ignorance. Of course that may not be the case, but any of the hundreds of millions of liberals who might read what you have written there will interpret it in precisely that way. Personally, my theory is that people generally imitate or contradict the political orientation of the first strongly political person they are exposed to in their life. Usually a parent or older sibling - if they like them, they see the political world through their eyes, if they dislike them, they seek to prove themselves unlike them. It's really that simple. Very few people research politics methodically and impartially and formulate a set of opinions based on 'facts'. Craig Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/VErj_ANZX8wJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
