Re: Re: Re: American Intelligence

2014-07-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 12:38 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Well, my question is, are you automatically, dismissing jihadi terrorism as a chimera, a false threat, a non-issue? http://reason.com/archives/2011/09/06/how-scared-of-terrorism-should

Re: Re: Re: American Intelligence

2014-07-04 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Well, my question is, are you automatically, dismissing jihadi terrorism as a chimera, a false threat, a non-issue? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

RE: Re: Re: American Intelligence

2014-07-04 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Well, my question is, are you automatically, dismissing jihadi terrorism as a chimera, a false threat, a non-issue? My answer: you are automatically assuming that it is. -- You

RE: Re: Re: American Intelligence

2014-07-04 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
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Re: RE: Re: American Intelligence

2014-07-04 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Chris, nobody in power shares my love for global war, as you put it, but I am very logical in noting the decline of American effectiveness, and prowess. The world is soon becoming, a No Country for Old Men sort of place, thats less free and more dangerous. A weakend US now invites attack, but

RE: Re: Re: American Intelligence

2014-07-04 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 5:40 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Re: Re: American Intelligence I am suspecting, based on intelligence made public,using the old Claude Shannon method

Re: RE: RE: American Intelligence

2014-06-29 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Chris, so how will you be able to live with yourself, if, say, you cannot budge me from my horrible views? Secondly, you are not a US citizen, are you? How will you control America if you cannot even control, influence, or browbeat me? Just curious. -- You received this message because you

Re: RE: RE: American Intelligence

2014-06-29 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Chris, so how will you be able to live with yourself, if, say, you cannot budge me from my horrible views? Secondly, you are not a US citizen, are you? How will you control America if you cannot even control, influence, or browbeat me? Just curious. -- You received this message because you

RE: RE: RE: American Intelligence

2014-06-29 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 5:04 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: RE: RE: American Intelligence Chris, so how will you be able to live with yourself, if, say, you

Re: Re: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx]Fw:Re:Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this

2013-08-05 Thread Roger Clough
: Chaotic Inflation Receiver: theoretical_phys...@yahoogroups.com,4dwor...@yahoogroups.com,theoretical_physics_bo...@yahoogroups.com,theoretical_phys...@yahoogroups.com Time: 2013-08-05, 04:43:42 Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx]Fw:Re:Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-04 Thread Roger Clough
- From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-03, 09:37:42 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe Dear Roger, Only 4d spacetime, matter and energy are physical. Everything else is non-physical and therefore part of the mind. This includes comp up thru

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-04 Thread Richard Ruquist
mind (whatever that is). etc. as I frequently but ineffectively try to correct. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-03, 09:37:42 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe Dear Roger, Only 4d

Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-03 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona My understanding is that the block universe is the physical universe, so it does not include the world of mind. - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-02, 14:14:51 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from

Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-03 Thread Richard Ruquist
content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-02, 14:14:51 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe In the world of the mind, that is, in what we call reality, it causes everithing because causality is another phenomenon introduced by the mind (1p

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-03 Thread Roger Clough
-02-03, 07:19:51 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe Roger, I think the block universe (not quite accurate terminology) is actually the 4-dimensional quantum mind and in it is written all possible futures and pasts based on comp and quantum mechanics as well as info on what

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-03 Thread Richard Ruquist
. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-03, 07:19:51 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe Roger, I think the block universe (not quite accurate terminology) is actually the 4-dimensional quantum mind

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, February 3, 2013 9:37:42 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: Dear Roger, Only 4d spacetime, matter and energy are physical. Everything else is non-physical and therefore part of the mind. This includes comp up thru quantum mechanics. Only 4 dimensions for example of the 11d universe

Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-03 Thread Alberto G. Corona
of mind. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com *Receiver:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2013-02-02, 14:14:51 *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe In the world of the mind, that is, in what

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-03 Thread Richard Ruquist
Straw dog there is no mention of a separation On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 3, 2013 9:37:42 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: Dear Roger, Only 4d spacetime, matter and energy are physical. Everything else is non-physical and

Re: Re: Re: [Metadiscussion] Off topic posting on the everything-list

2013-02-02 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish Fine. - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-01, 16:54:48 Subject: Re: Re: [Metadiscussion] Off topic posting on the everything-list On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 11:30:39AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: Hi

Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-02 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona Does your version of mind actually do anything ? - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-02, 04:43:54 Subject: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe I do think that a block universe can contain minds

Re: Re: Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-02 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes By material I mean physical. Decartes similarly defines the physical as being extended in space. Mathematics is not extended in space, so is nonphysical. A Turing machine is conceived of as having a tape with holes in it, but it can be used mathematically without physically

Re: Re: Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, February 2, 2013 9:10:49 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes By material I mean physical. Decartes similarly defines the physical as being extended in space. Mathematics is not extended in space, so is nonphysical. A Turing machine is conceived of as having a tape

Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-02-02 Thread Alberto G. Corona
In the world of the mind, that is, in what we call reality, it causes everithing because causality is another phenomenon introduced by the mind (1p) In the timeless view, there is no causality buy casualty Viewed from above in a broad perspective, then to cause something is to select it, so

Re: Re: Re: Hateful

2013-01-31 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Terren Suydam Faith is a gift we are unworthy of. - Receiving the following content - From: Terren Suydam Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-30, 14:21:17 Subject: Re: Re: Hateful Hi Roger, What else is it? If you say it is the arbiter of morality, then that too can

Re: Re: Re: Re: The fairness argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-31 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Mikes It didn't feel good. - Receiving the following content - From: John Mikes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-30, 17:45:12 Subject: Re: Re: Re: The fairness argument and women in the infantry Roger: it is obvious that you have not understand a word of my

Re: Re: Re: Hateful

2013-01-31 Thread Terren Suydam
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Terren Suydam Faith is a gift we are unworthy of. Whatever floats your boat. Terren - Receiving the following content - *From:* Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com *Receiver:* everything-list

Re: Re: Re: The fairness argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Mikes That's the argument of the Far Left, that miltary strength induces our enemies to attack us, so we should cut back on defense spending. And any defensive actions we have made in the past only count against us. Since we are dealing with fanatics. you could be right, but my

Re: Re: Re: Facts vs values

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona Not to worry. Since, along with Leibniz (see his Theodicy) I believe that everything is caused (sometimes unpreferably) by God, then faith is a gift, and, contrary to Billy Graham, cannot be invoked by man. You cannot decide to choose for Christ. You can however turn it

Re: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Consciousness is not a force that might do things. It is what allows us to perceive and know things. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-29, 20:39:40 Subject: Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

Re: Re: Re: The fairness argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-30 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:26:51 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi John Mikes That's the argument of the Far Left, that miltary strength induces our enemies to attack us, so we should cut back on defense spending. And any defensive actions we have made in the past only count

Re: Re: Re: The fairness argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-30 Thread John Mikes
Roger: it is obvious that you have not understand a word of my post. Did it feel good to mention it as far left? My experience is balanced, I was a victim of right and left (and also of the so called middle) in my latest 75 years of active life on 3 continents. Please try to understand what you

Re: Re: Re: The fairness argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-30 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 5:45:12 PM UTC-5, JohnM wrote: Roger: it is obvious that you have not understand a word of my post. Did it feel good to mention it as far left? My experience is balanced, I was a victim of right and left (and also of the so called middle) in my latest 75

Re: Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Clark No, I let science be science and religion be religion. Different languages, different meanings. You're confusing the two. - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-25, 11:29:01 Subject: Re: Re: Martin Luther on

Re: Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, January 25, 2013 1:59:53 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi John Clark That's all made-up stuff put on the web by people such as you. Not by the worldwide liberal conspiracy? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Re: Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-25 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: the ancient jews in the BC era knew nothing Not far from the truth. of the ancient myths, If they knew anything at all it was useless crap like that. “There is little notice of the Persian god [Mithra] in the Roman world

Re: Re: Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-24 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Period, meaning that's it. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-23, 12:48:50 Subject: Re: Re: Sensing the presence of God

Re: Re: Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-24 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg An article in the American Journal of Psychiatry in 2004 suggested that atheists might have a higher suicide rate than theists.[10] According to William Bainbridge, atheism is common among people whose social obligations are weak and is also connected to lower fertility

Re: Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:32:58 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg OK, you can see that in two current junk science cults: (a) materialism (b) climate change What I can see is that your responses seem to be generated by this logic tree: Do I Understand It?

Re: Re: Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:46:47 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Period, meaning that's it. I know what you meant by period. If you noticed, I attached a list of serial killers who followed what they understood to be the voice of God. The implication is that if you

Re: Re: Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:52:59 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg An article in the American Journal of Psychiatryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Journal_of_Psychiatryin 2004 suggested that atheists might have a higher suicide rate than

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-23 Thread Roger Clough
Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-22, 15:38:50 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is there an aether ? On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:22:06 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg If you knew more about the history of philsophy, you'd know that Berkeley finally had to admit that the world out

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
Weinberg javascript: *Receiver:* everything-list javascript: *Time:* 2013-01-22, 15:38:50 *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Re: Is there an aether ? On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:22:06 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg If you knew more about the history of philsophy, you'd know

Re: Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy

2013-01-22 Thread Roger Clough
: everything-list Time: 2013-01-21, 10:40:52 Subject: Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy On Monday, January 21, 2013 9:19:36 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg But nothing would exist for a blind man, since he can see nothing. Blind people can hear and feel and think, smell

Re: Re: Re: Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-22 Thread Roger Clough
: everything-list Time: 2013-01-21, 11:53:45 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Is there an aether ? On Monday, January 21, 2013 4:53:25 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg That is such a silly pov. Because it's your pov, not mine. You don't understand what I am talking about so you keep pointing

Re: Re: Re: Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:49:09 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: That doesn't have anything to do with your straw man of my position. I have

Re: Re: Re: Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-22 Thread John Mikes
Richard: and what is - NOT - an illusion? are you? or me? we have no way to ascertain existence and qualia, we just THINK. Our science is based on SOME info we don't know exactly, not even if it is like we think it is. We calculate in our human logic (stupidity would be more accurate) and then

Re: Re: Re: Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:20:58 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:49:09 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com

Re: Re: Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg That is such a silly pov. If a boulder fell off of a cliff above you onto you that you didn't see, would it hurt you or not ? - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-20, 15:47:31 Subject: Re: Re: Is there an

Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy

2013-01-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg But nothing would exist for a blind man, since he can see nothing. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-21, 09:11:18 Subject: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy On Monday, January 21, 2013 4:54:58

Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy

2013-01-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, January 21, 2013 9:19:36 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg But nothing would exist for a blind man, since he can see nothing. Blind people can hear and feel and think, smell and taste, touch. Everything exists to the extent that it can be detected directly or

Re: Re: Re: Is there an aether ?

2013-01-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, January 21, 2013 4:53:25 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg That is such a silly pov. Because it's your pov, not mine. You don't understand what I am talking about so you keep pointing at a Straw Man misinterpretation of Berkeleyan idealism. If a boulder fell

Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy

2013-01-20 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Then you believe that God exists. That's a good start. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-19, 09:55:18 Subject: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy On Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:22:38 AM

Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy

2013-01-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, January 20, 2013 2:08:09 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Then you believe that God exists. That's a good start. Can't I point out the absurdity of a belief without being accused of having it? - Receiving the following content - *From:*

Re: Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy

2013-01-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
- *From:* Craig Weinberg javascript: *Receiver:* everything-list javascript: *Time:* 2013-01-20, 14:18:16 *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy On Sunday, January 20, 2013 2:08:09 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Then you believe that God exists

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy

2013-01-20 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg They don't make sense to you but they do make make sense to me. Could it be that you are a low information, low understanding person ? - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-20, 15:00:34 Subject: Re: Re: Re

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy

2013-01-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
: *Receiver:* everything-list javascript: *Time:* 2013-01-20, 15:00:34 *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy On Sunday, January 20, 2013 2:43:42 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg So you belong to the liberal thought police then. Haha of course. How could

Re: Re: Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland

2013-01-18 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish Firstness is the mode of being of that which is such as it is, positively and without reference to anything else. Secondness is the mode of being of that which is such as it is, with respect to a second but regardless of any third. Thirdness is the mode of being of that

Re: Re: Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland

2013-01-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
I First person singular We First person plural You Second person singular / second person plural He Third person masculine singular She Third person feminine singular It Third person neutral singular They Third person plural / third person

Re: Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net javascript:] 1/15/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-14, 11:51:03 Subject: Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error,it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-17 Thread Roger Clough
, 10:59:12 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error,it should be TwoAspects Theory On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:31:51 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg 1) Good point. So far, there is only indirect evidence of gravity waves. http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=15438

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error,it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
], [rcl...@verizon.net javascript:] 1/17/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-17, 10:59:12 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error,it should beTwoAspects Theory

2013-01-17 Thread Roger Clough
: 2013-01-17, 11:59:05 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error,it should beTwoAspects Theory On Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:54:03 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Sorry, I'm missing your point. What is it ? You said Potential energy is more than conceptual, so I

Re: Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Yes, of course. The monads are mental representations of physical bodies in the world. You will presumably have for your physical object some container in L He with a BEC at the bottom. Physical objects such as rocks produce bare naked monads. Is that what you want ?

Re: Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Richard Ruquist
Roger, Your presumptions are incorrect. Also your monad definition. I am too old for bare naked. Stop being silly. Richard On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist Yes, of course. The monads are mental representations of physical bodies in

Re: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism Roger, Your presumptions are incorrect. Also your monad definition. I am too old for bare naked. Stop being silly. Richard On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist Yes, of course. The monads

Re: Re: Re: Fwd: the curse of materialism

2013-01-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg I agree with you. I have no idea what Richard has in mind. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list

Re: Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-15 Thread Roger Clough
the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-14, 11:51:03 Subject: Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory On Monday, January 14, 2013 7:06:57 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Why

Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Why not ? There are gravitational waves. But earthquakes usually initiate waves by the sudden release of potential energy. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content

Re: Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy A more powwerful way to steal from the future is to continue govt spending as it is. But to get back to the issue, I'll let the market decide. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen -

Re: Re: Re: cognitive therapy

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes Same here. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-14, 07:42:02 Subject: Re: Re:

Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist OK--- in the mind. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-13, 08:45:18 Subject: Re: Re: MWI

Re: Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-14 Thread Alberto G. Corona
THe problem with solar energy is that it is strongly subsidized. Instead of you being stolen by monopolistic energy companies, you can steal the taxpayer thank to state planning. Most solar panels are installed because they receive subsidies by KW. As a logical consequience a boost in production

Re: Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist God is not righteous by what standards ? Yours? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time:

Re: Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

2013-01-14 Thread Richard Ruquist
Hi Roger Clough, God is everything, including this list. Richard David, complex variables and quantum theory go together On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist God is not righteous by what standards ? Yours? [Roger Clough],

Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, January 14, 2013 7:06:57 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Why not ? There are gravitational waves. How do you know there are gravitational waves? But earthquakes usually initiate waves by the sudden release of potential energy. Potential energy is

Re: Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
Instead of complaining now or watching what the market does, by not really watching it á la Roger, better include the future when considering past and present: I bet that Spain, with its sunshine monopoly and mix of renewable energy and infrastructure investment of the last years, will be

Re: Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-14 Thread Alberto G. Corona
You are californian its'nt? 2013/1/14 Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: THe problem with solar energy is that it is strongly subsidized. Yes, but this is lessening. Protectionism is crumbling.

Re: Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

2013-01-14 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: God is everything, including this list. Then God means nothing because meaning needs contrast. If everything that exists and everything that doesn't exist and everything you can imagine and everything that you can't

Re: Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

2013-01-14 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:49 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: God is everything, including this list. Then God means nothing because meaning needs contrast. If everything that exists and everything that

Re: Re: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist OK, He would work. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-11, 13:54:47 Subject: Re: Re:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted frombrainsviaacomputer

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
-11, 14:07:13 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted frombrainsviaacomputer Right. Monads are below the quantum level and you have argued, correctly I think, that not even quantum waves are physical. However, monads may have a complex structure as you say below

Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brainsviaacomputer

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist For the umpteenth time, monads are not physical, they cannot be some kind of product of EM waves. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/11/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard

Re: Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist The monads are not BEC's, because presumably BECs are physical. Monads aren't [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/11/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver:

Re: Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

2013-01-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
BEC condensates may contain any kind of particle, not just physicsl particles. However, we presume that the mathematics is more or less the same for all BECs and therefore we can come to understand BECs with physical experiments. Presumably monads are particles, seeing that they are discrete and

Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brainsviaacomputer

2013-01-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
Right. Monads are below the quantum level and you have argued, correctly I think, that not even quantum waves are physical. However, monads may have a complex structure as you say below snipped and string theory derives what that complex structure looks like including the super EM flux that may be

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-09 Thread Roger Clough
: everything-list Time: 2013-01-08, 11:07:17 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so. Hi Roger, On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy ? Better data connected to opinion than opinion alone. ? How is opinion

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted frombrainsviaacomputer

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/8/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-07, 17:34:21 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted

Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains viaacomputer

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes The electronics presumably requires a digital signal. But the brain presumably uses analog signals. And there is the raster line and sync signal problem. There is the digital pixel problem, which uses only 3 colors: blue,green,red. How can all of this work ? [Roger

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted frombrainsviaacomputer

2013-01-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:23:55 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes Presumably the brain works with analog, not digital, signals. You are both missing the more important issue - signals cannot be decoded in the brain. It's tempting to think that is possible because we are

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extractedfrombrainsviaacomputer

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Exactly. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/8/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-08, 09:23:56 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re

Re: Re: Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-08 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Roger, On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy Better data connected to opinion than opinion alone. How is opinion not connected to data? Have you found a way of neatly separating the information and data from opinion and

Re: Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona I have no problem with natural selection, it is a reasonable hypothesis. But natural selection implies some form of intelligence, which materialism cannot explain. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -

Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains viaacomputer

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes Well then, we have at least one vote supporting the results. I remain sceptical because of the line sync issue. The brain doesn't provide a raster line sync signal. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody

Re: Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-07 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy You're allowed to have that opinion, or any opinion. We're different. I am a retired laboratory scientist and a pragmatist to boot. So to me, data trumnps everything. So I will believe

Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains viaacomputer

2013-01-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Roger, On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes Well then, we have at least one vote supporting the results. Scientific results are not supported or refuted by votes. I remain sceptical because of the line sync issue. The brain

Re: Re: Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
Time: 2013-01-07, 08:33:45 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so. On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy ? You're allowed to have that opinion, or any opinion. ? We're different. I am a retired

Re: Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brainsviaacomputer

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
- Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-07, 09:33:30 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brainsviaacomputer Hi Roger, On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Telmo

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2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Neither hard or soft solutions are valid since they fantasize a meterial connection between mind and brain. Which is absurd. Leibniz is the only one to have solved the problem successfully. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 Forever is a long time, especially

Re: Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brainsviaacomputer

2013-01-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - *From:* Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com *Receiver:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2013-01-07, 09:33:30 *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from

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