Hi Craig Weinberg
Yes, there is no calculus for the quality of life.
But we still have to make decisions about it.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
1/4/2013
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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On Thursday, January 3, 2013 5:22:24 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
Enhancing Life is not a very arbitrary value,
I don't know about arbitrary, but it is a very nebulous value. What does the
enhancement of life consist of? The growth of bacteria? The improvement of the
standard of living of one species or group over another? Population growth or
maximization of ecological niche coverage on Earth? Anything can be seen as
enhancing life. We stockpile nerve gas and nuclear weapons because we feel that
it enhances our lives. People keep loaded guns under their pillow because it
enhances their lives.
It is apparent that people have very different ideas of what enhances life - in
many cases opposite ideas. To me, linking good and evil to such a subjective
definition is asking for trouble. Equating good with socially benevolent
qualities seems more accurate and useful.
Craig
but of course interpreting what that means
can differ from person to person. That's why we have
laws, either religious or legal ones.
[Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net]
1/3/2013
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:29:55 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
So what's good for one may be evil for another.
No surprise there. That's why an overriding
referee or judge (God) is necessary.
Why would the relativity of value necessitate some kind of referee? Any
physical change robs one system of energy by increasing the energy of another.
Why should there be an independent judge watching over these transactions? With
sense instead of God, the weight of consequence is within the experience
itself, subjectively implicit rather than an objectively explicit independent
entity.
[Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net]
1/2/2013
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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On Tuesday, January 1, 2013 4:14:18 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
CRAIG: Enhance whose life though?
ROGER: Anybody's life.
Disinfectants destroy microbiotic life.
CRAIG: Would slavery Good or Evil?
ROGER: The masters diminish the life of the slaves.
The slaves have their lives diminished. So there's
no good in it at all.
The slaves enhance the lives of their masters. Their masters have their lives
enhanced. So there's as much good in it as not.
CRAIG: What about promiscuity or dessert or yeast?
ROGER: Promiscuity diminishes the value of love and commitment,
hence of life. I have no opinions on dessert or yeast.
Promiscuity without contraception enhances the number of pregnancies. If you
have no opinion on the others, does that mean that they don't fit into the
good/evil dichotomy?
CRAIG: Is cell division good or evil?
I would say that growth of healthy cells is goog because they enhance life.
And growth of cancer cells is evil or bad because they can cause death.
Cancer cells enhance their own life.
[Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net]
1/1/2013
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Subject: Re: The two basic theologies
On Tuesday, January 1, 2013 10:08:36 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
A Theology for Atheists
There are two opposing forces in the universe, those which enhance
life, which we call Good, and those which diminish life, which we call Evil.
Enhance whose life though? Would slavery Good or Evil? What about promiscuity
or dessert or yeast? Is cell division good or evil?
Who determines what 'enhanced' or 'diminished' means?
As evidenced, these can be present in both happenings and in people.
We have the freedom to support either cause or not support one.
Don't we support both at all times, just by being alive?
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A Theology for Theists
The same holds as above, with the addition that there is some
overriding intelligence which causes the happenings, good or
evil, either preferably or acceptably. It can also read and/or inform
our hearts.
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[Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net]
1/1/2013
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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