Hi Bruno Marchal What if I put on a fake moustache ? Or glasses ?
Would the computer still know it's me ? Roger , rclo...@verizon.net 8/17/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-16, 12:40:04 Subject: Re: Self-image and self-identity On 16 Aug 2012, at 17:09, Roger wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Can this machine recognize its self in a mirror or line-up ? No problem. Self-image would be a critical part of self-identity. It might be a delusion too, I think. (they fall in that delusion trap in the movie "Source Code" if you have seen it, where someone accept the idea that he is dead, after indeed losing its self-image. I find this absurd, even if I agree that loosing your self-image might be very psychologically troubling, but then loosing your legs too). Bruno Roger , rclo...@verizon.net 8/16/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-15, 05:46:49 Subject: Re: Why AI is impossible On 15 Aug 2012, at 04:22, William R. Buckley wrote: > Dear Russell: > > When you can design and build a machine that builds itself, not > its replicant but itself, then I will heed better your advice. See my paper "planaria, amoeba and dreaming machine" (in the publication part in my url). Reproduction regeneration and embryogenesis are easily solved through a theorem due to Kleene in theoretical computer science. They have all be implemented, so it is also practical computer science. As I said: the notion of self is where computer science is at its best. I can sketch the main idea, if you desire. Bruno > > wrb > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything- >> l...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish >> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 4:11 PM >> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Why AI is impossible >> >> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:16:47AM -0700, William R. Buckley wrote: >>> John: >>> >>> >>> >>> Regardless of your dislike for the term omniscience versus >> universality, the >>> Turing machine >>> >>> can compute all computable computations, and this simply by virtue >>> of >> its >>> construction. >>> >>> >>> >>> wrb >> >> John is right - omniscience is a different concept to >> universality. For the sake of clearer conversation, it is better to >> keep that in mind, rather than arbitrarily redefining words "Humpty >> Dumpty" like. >> >> Of course, if there is no accepted definition for a concept, it is OK >> to propose another one. But please restrict it to concepts that are >> logically sound, and be prepared to drop your own definition if a >> better one comes along. >> >> Cheers >> >> -- >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----- >> Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) >> Principal, High Performance Coders >> Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au >> University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----- >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything- >> l...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything- >> list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en > . > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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