Re: Re: a Sheldrake computer:: the universe as a random + mechanism--->habit computer

2013-01-04 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg 

Richard rejects the concept of inextended space.


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On Thursday, January 3, 2013 10:45:01 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:

BTW my stichk is that consciousness 
comes from discrete compactified space that is arithmetic, in both the 
megaverse and in each universe. 
Richard 



Why would consciousness come from discrete compactified space? To me, all that 
this kind of explanation does is shift the mystery of consciousness from a 
person to a space. It ascribes the power of feeling and thinking to an 
arithmetic idea rather than a person, leaving us right back where we started - 
asking why does an arithmetic idea have thoughts and feelings.



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Re: Re: a Sheldrake computer:: the universe as a random + mechanism--->habit computer

2013-01-03 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King 

Entanglement is a major part of Sheldrake's ideas, which
also allow for fields within fields, you might be happy to know. 
The fields can be mental and social fields, And includes
resonance between fields such as telepathy.. 

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On 1/3/2013 10:22 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi Richard Ruquist
>
> My understanding of Sheldrake's results suggests
> to me that the universe is not like a deterministic great computer,
> or if it is, the deterministic or mechanical part acts like a filter to
> incline random motions to more regular ones
> which Sheldrake calls habits or morphic resonances.
>
>
Hi,

 Could it be that what Rupert is observing is the statistical 
effects (in large numbers) of what quantum entanglement implies? ISTM, 
that at the quantum level two wave functions that are the same are one 
and the same and so forth for similar WFs. I never saw Sheldrake's work 
as contradicting any real physical laws, just the prejudices of 
classically trained minds.

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Re: Re: a Sheldrake computer:: the universe as a random + mechanism--->habit computer

2013-01-03 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist 

Sheldrake and leibniz would offer a more shocking picture, namely that
strings, like all matter, are alive. 

But Gates is to be congratulated
for excaping from the cult of materialism.


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Hi Roger Clough,

Nova Spivack has two linked blogs following the one I copied below in
which he argues that since consciousness is not computable, something
he takes for granted, then consciousness must be even more fundamental
than spacetime. You might find it of interest to read all three linked
articles as to me it sounded a bit like what you and even Sheldrake
have been saying. In the end Nova recommends mindless meditation to
experience pure consciousness. BTW my stichk is that consciousness
comes from discrete compactified space that is arithmetic, in both the
megaverse and in each universe.
Richard

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Roger Clough  wrote:
> Hi Richard Ruquist
>
> My understanding of Sheldrake's results suggests
> to me that the universe is not like a deterministic great computer,
> or if it is, the deterministic or mechanical part acts like a filter to
> incline random motions to more regular ones
> which Sheldrake calls habits or morphic resonances.
>
>
> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
> 1/3/2013
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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> From: Richard Ruquist
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> Time: 2013-01-02, 19:25:06
> Subject: Re: Conputer Code In String Theory Supersimetric Equations
>
>
> Here is a lay description:
>
> http://www.novaspivack.com/uncategorized/is-the-universe-a-computer-new-evidence-emerges
>
> Is the Universe a Computer? New Evidence Emerges.
> March 22nd, 2012
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> I haven? posted in a while, but this is blog-worthy material. I?e
> recently become familiar with the thinking of University of Maryland
> physicist, James Gates Jr. Dr. Gates is working on a branch of physics
> called supersymmetry. In the process of his work he? discovered the
> presence of what appear to resemble a form of computer code, called
> error correcting codes, embedded within, or resulting from, the
> equations of supersymmetry that describe fundamental particles.
>
> You can read a non-technical description of what Dr. Gates has
> discovered in this article, which I highly recommend.
>
> In the article, Gates asks, ?ow could we discover whether we live
> inside a Matrix? One answer might be ?ry to detect the presence of
> codes in the laws that describe physics.? And this is precisely what
> he has done. Specifically, within the equations of supersymmetry he
> has found, quite unexpectedly, what are called ?oubly-even self-dual
> linear binary error-correcting block codes.? That? a long-winded
> label for codes that are commonly used to remove errors in computer
> transmissions, for example to correct errors in a sequence of bits
> representing text that has been sent across a wire.
>
> Gates explains, ?his unsuspected connection suggests that these codes
> may be ubiquitous in nature, and could even be embedded in the essence
> of reality. If this is the case, we might have something in common
> with the Matrix science-fiction films, which depict a world where
> everything human being? experience is the product of a
> virtual-reality-generating computer network.?
>
> Why are these codes hidden in the laws of fundamental particles?
> ?ould it be that codes, in some deep and fundamental way, control the
> structure of our reality?,? he asks. It? a good question.
>
> If you want to explore further, here is a Youtube video by someone who
> is interested in popularizing Dr. Gates? work, containing an audio
> interview that is worth hearing. Here, you can hear Gates describe the
> potential significance of his discovery in layman? terms. The video
> then goes on to explain how all of this might be further evidence for
> Bostrom? Simulation Hypothesis (in which it is suggested that the
> universe is a computer simulation). (NOTE: The video is a bit annoying
> ? in particular the melodramatic soundtrack, but it? still worth
> watching in order to get a quick high level overview of what this is
> all about, and some of the wild implications).
>
> Now why does this discovery matter? Well it is more than strange and
> intriguing that fundamental physics equations that describe the
> universe would contain these error correcting codes. Could it mean
> that the universe itself is built with error correcting codes in it,
> codes that that are just like those used in computers and computer
> networks? Did the