Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-15 Thread Roger Clough
could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-14, 12:48:22 Subject: Re: victims of faith On 9/14/2012 9:04 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Alberto G. Corona That's why I stick to orthodoxy and the creeds. Hard to go wrong

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-14 Thread Roger Clough
would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-13, 14:45:42 Subject: Re: victims of faith 2012/9/13 Stathis Papaioannou : On Wed, Sep 12

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-14 Thread Alberto G. Corona
that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-13, 14:45:42 Subject: Re: victims of faith 2012/9/13 Stathis Papaioannou : On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote

Re: Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-14 Thread Roger Clough
: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-14, 07:27:26 Subject: Re: Re: victims of faith Roger: right But there are two types of people: the ones that know that believe, that know that they are unfounded and the others that believe that known, who don? know that they are unfounded

Re: Re: Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-13 Thread Roger Clough
: 2012-09-12, 15:25:42 Subject: Re: Re: Re: victims of faith On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:47 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: ? God, being inextended, If God is not extended then He must be very small and that could be the reason we don't see Him. God is like a germ. is invisible

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com *Receiver:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2012-09-11, 08:25:34 *Subject:* Re: victims of faith every statement about 爓hatever, included

Re: Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-12 Thread Roger Clough
- From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 12:21:57 Subject: Re: Re: victims of faith On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:49:31 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi meekerdb How can you demythify something that actually happened ? Jesus really died on the cross

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-12 Thread Roger Clough
to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 12:47:05 Subject: Re: victims of faith On 9/11/2012 5:58 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Roger Cloughrclo

Re: Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-12 Thread Roger Clough
him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 16:51:53 Subject: Re: Re: victims of faith On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Belief in God is a gift from

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-12 Thread Roger Clough
that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-12, 07:22:14 Subject: Re: victims of faith Note that the natural definition of Truth and reality that arises from a evolutionarily-informed theory of biology psichology

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-12 Thread Roger Clough
the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 15:05:44 Subject: Re: victims of faith On 11 Sep 2012, at 15:56, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Jason Resch What do we have that machines don't ? Intelligence, consciousnness, awareness. feelings-- in short

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
content - *From:* Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com *Receiver:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2012-09-12, 07:22:14 *Subject:* Re: victims of faith Note that the natural definition of Truth and reality that arises from a evolutionarily-informed theory of biology

Re: Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-12 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:47 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: God, being inextended, If God is not extended then He must be very small and that could be the reason we don't see Him. God is like a germ. is invisible to the scientific method and logic I think you're correct

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
Time: 2012-09-10, 15:17:21 Subject: Re: victims of faith that is not fair. 99.99 believed in God or in gods They differ in the details. Atheists are a minority. In a deeper sense, atheists do believe in gods. problably modern atheism is one the most basic, new and thus, primitive religions, as I

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-10, 15:49:44 Subject: Re: victims of faith Having obfuscated the meaning of God as much as possible, let's see if we can also fuzz-up the meaning of believe in - because, above all, we really really want to be able to say

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-10, 16:02:09 Subject: Re: victims of faith On 9/10/2012 12:50 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: This paper of an evolutionist scientific denounces the mytification of Darwin, the spread of false claims that enhance his figure and even the creation of a physical

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 08:25:34 Subject: Re: victims of faith every statement about ?hatever, included reality is made with mental concepts . ?he definition of truth, reality , factual, religion, depend on axioms or unproved statements. I presented

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-11 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi meekerdb Science is science and religion is religion and never the two shall meet. I'm not sure about this Roger. The goal of a true science and true religion, in my opinion, is the search of truth. In the Bahá'í

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-11 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Alberto G. Corona Religious communion with God and prayer are transcendental so not computable. Even those of the past who looked down on the barbaric and uncivilized native people believed they could be converted

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
the following content - From: Jason Resch Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 08:53:41 Subject: Re: victims of faith On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: But what is unique about religion is that its proponents make factual statements which

Re: Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
. - Receiving the following content - From: Jason Resch Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 09:04:05 Subject: Re: Re: victims of faith On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Alberto G. Corona Religious communion with God and prayer

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
-09-10, 19:43:38 Subject: Re: victims of faith On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: that is not fair. 99.99 believed in God or in gods They differ in the details. Atheists are a minority. In a deeper sense, atheists do believe in gods. problably modern

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
9/11/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Stathis Papaioannou Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-10, 19:43:38 Subject: Re: victims of faith On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:17 AM

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
the following content - From: Stathis Papaioannou Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 08:45:03 Subject: Re: victims of faith On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: every statement about whatever, included reality is made with mental concepts

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-10, 16:01:28 Subject: Re: victims of faith On 9/10/2012 12:50 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: This paper of an evolutionist scientific denounces the mytification of Darwin, the spread of false claims that enhance his figure

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
Resch Receiver: everything-list@googlegroups.com Time: 2012-09-11, 10:53:27 Subject: Re: victims of faith I had a typo in my previous email. I meant to say that NOT all religions claim certainty. Some teach uncertainty or humbleness in the search for truth. On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Roger

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
/11/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - *From:* meekerdb javascript: *Receiver:* everything-list javascript: *Time:* 2012-09-10, 16:01:28 *Subject:* Re: victims of faith On 9

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-11 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Belief in God is a gift from God, you cannot achieve it on your own. OK but have you ever asked yourself why that should be? If God exists then that is the single most important fact about the universe, but why would the

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-11 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:48 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi meekerdb How can you demythify something that actually happened ? Jesus really died on the cross and was resurrected. There's no point arguing with you if you believe things like that. -- Stathis Papaioannou --

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-10 Thread Roger Clough
: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-09, 15:50:53 Subject: Re: victims of faith So you have a very strong belief: That almost all but a few enlightened people like you in the History of humanity are a bunch of silly idiots. This sense of superiority, combined

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-10 Thread Alberto G. Corona
, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-09, 15:50:53 Subject: Re: victims of faith So you have a very strong belief: That almost all but a few enlightened people

Re: Re: victims of faith

2012-09-10 Thread Alberto G. Corona
, 15:50:53 Subject: Re: victims of faith So you have a very strong belief: That almost all but a few enlightened people like you in the History of humanity are a bunch of silly idiots. This sense of superiority, combined with a voluntary repression of doubt certainly can susbstitute any