Re: Re: The p-zombie is a strawman argument
Hi Stathis Papaioannou IMHO a zombie ought to be defined in such a way that you could be fooled. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/22/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stathis Papaioannou Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-21, 17:21:22 Subject: Re: The p-zombie is a strawman argument On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Stathis, > > Sorry, my previous email was accidentally sent too early. > > You said that if a candidate person behaves as if he > has a mind, then he does. > > That may be OK, but if a person does NOT have a mind, > ( is a zombie), then my position is that in fact he > cannot behave as one with a mind would. > > For example, he could not converse with you. > He could not tell you where or when he was born, > because having no mind, he has no memory, > and cannot understand language at all. > > So the p-zombie definition is an impossibility, > and it is a strawman argument, to begin with. Yes, that's Dennett's position. He has called the idea of zombies "an embarrassment to philosophy". So do you agree that if a computer could converse with you like a human then it would have a mind? -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: The p-zombie is a strawman argument
On Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:21:53 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > Yes, that's Dennett's position. He has called the idea of zombies "an > embarrassment to philosophy". So do you agree that if a computer could > converse with you like a human then it would have a mind? > A movie can converse with you like a human if you are in the right state of mind. Craig > > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/ahhORbganNQJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: The p-zombie is a strawman argument
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Stathis, > > Sorry, my previous email was accidentally sent too early. > > You said that if a candidate person behaves as if he > has a mind, then he does. > > That may be OK, but if a person does NOT have a mind, > ( is a zombie), then my position is that in fact he > cannot behave as one with a mind would. > > For example, he could not converse with you. > He could not tell you where or when he was born, > because having no mind, he has no memory, > and cannot understand language at all. > > So the p-zombie definition is an impossibility, > and it is a strawman argument, to begin with. Yes, that's Dennett's position. He has called the idea of zombies "an embarrassment to philosophy". So do you agree that if a computer could converse with you like a human then it would have a mind? -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.