Re: The structure of the world from pure numbers

[Bruno Marchal]

> On 29 Dec 2018, at 15:33, Lawrence Crowell  
> wrote:
> 
> I urge caution with anything Tipler writes. In looking at this paper it is 
> clearly long, but at least not mathematically dense. I am not sure what he 
> means in the abstract by saying the CMBR is SU(2)_L.
> 
> If you want to look at ideas that connect mathematics and number theory to 
> physics I would consider the Langlands program. Also the partition of 
> integers by Brunier and Ono, how many ways can the integer N be derived by 
> the addition of smaller integers, leads to mock Ramanjuan forms and ways that 
> quantum states may be integrated in partition functions or path integrals. I 
> think the fundamental set of quantum state have some Godel number 
> relationship with the zeros of the Riemann zeta function.


String theory has also deep relations with Number theory, and the physical 
smells in every part of Number theory. The boson string theory can be use to 
make new original proof in Number theory.

I suspect that the distribution of the prime numbers might encapsulate the 
whole Turing complexity of numbers, and that could, if RH is correct, makes the 
zeros of Riemann zeta function into the spectrum of a universal quantum 
dovetailer.  The Riemann zeta function is already able to emulate all 
analytical functions in subparts of its domain (a result obtained by Voronin). 

Yet, to get the qualia, it is better to derive this from the self-reference 
logic.

Integers partition is a fascinating subject indeed. Probably more easy than the 
Langlands program.

Knot theory is also very important to study the role of math in physics, 
independently of mechanism. 
With mechanism, knot theory should emerge from some “Reidemester moves” hidden 
(I suppose) in the grading of the material hypostases (as we get an infinity of 
similar, but different quantum logics, with the []^n p & <>^m t variants. 

Bruno






> 
> LC
> 
> On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 11:16:09 AM UTC-6, Jason wrote:
> Frank Tipler wrote this 2005 paper, I am curious if others are familiar with 
> it, and what your thoughts on it are:
> 
> https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-structure-of-the-world-from-pure-numbers-Tipler/3adcc70233813349ef6ee9779799780d813556e7
>  
> 
> 
> I found it to be quite interesting. He claims that the dream of quantum 
> gravity eliminating infinities from the standard model cannot succeed, and 
> also that the entropy of the initial conditions of the universe was zero.
> 
> Jason
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Re: The structure of the world from pure numbers

[Bruno Marchal]

> On 28 Dec 2018, at 18:15, Jason Resch  wrote:
> 
> Frank Tipler wrote this 2005 paper, I am curious if others are familiar with 
> it, and what your thoughts on it are:
> 
> https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-structure-of-the-world-from-pure-numbers-Tipler/3adcc70233813349ef6ee9779799780d813556e7
>  
> 
> 
> I found it to be quite interesting. He claims that the dream of quantum 
> gravity eliminating infinities from the standard model cannot succeed, and 
> also that the entropy of the initial conditions of the universe was zero.


Nice find. I was not aware of that paper. Tipler is usually rather good. Of 
course, he is blinded by the beauty, and seems unaware of the mystery (the 
mind-body problem). Numbers have qualitative intensional feature, as we know 
since Gödel, and that has to be taken into account in metaphysics. (And should 
be intuitively obvious for a mechanist who does not throw away consciousness 
and persons). Yet, there is a nice mind-openness to Plato, and that is nice. I 
will dig more on the paper later probably. The approach is still rather 
physicalist.

Bruno




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Re: The structure of the world from pure numbers

[Lawrence Crowell]

I urge caution with anything Tipler writes. In looking at this paper it is 
clearly long, but at least not mathematically dense. I am not sure what he 
means in the abstract by saying the CMBR is SU(2)_L.

If you want to look at ideas that connect mathematics and number theory to 
physics I would consider the Langlands program. Also the partition of 
integers by Brunier and Ono, how many ways can the integer N be derived by 
the addition of smaller integers, leads to mock Ramanjuan forms and ways 
that quantum states may be integrated in partition functions or path 
integrals. I think the fundamental set of quantum state have some Godel 
number relationship with the zeros of the Riemann zeta function.

LC

On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 11:16:09 AM UTC-6, Jason wrote:
>
> Frank Tipler wrote this 2005 paper, I am curious if others are familiar 
> with it, and what your thoughts on it are:
>
>
> https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-structure-of-the-world-from-pure-numbers-Tipler/3adcc70233813349ef6ee9779799780d813556e7
>
> I found it to be quite interesting. He claims that the dream of quantum 
> gravity eliminating infinities from the standard model cannot succeed, and 
> also that the entropy of the initial conditions of the universe was zero.
>
> Jason
>

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Re: The structure of the world from pure numbers

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Well, I follow Tipler (kind of, sort of), because of his FAP with John Barrow, 
at Sussex, with its Omega Point Theory, and its promise of You Know What. 
Purely an emotive response. Also kind of fun. So far, his elimination of 
infinities, argument (against) seems to have held. He did miss out on the 
accelerated expansion of the cosmos, which he acknowledged. I believe the 
infinities argument is related, tangentially, to your question, and last I 
heard he still supported MWI of quantum mechanics. 


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Subject: The structure of the world from pure numbers

Frank Tipler wrote this 2005 paper, I am curious if others are familiar with 
it, and what your thoughts on it are:
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-structure-of-the-world-from-pure-numbers-Tipler/3adcc70233813349ef6ee9779799780d813556e7

I found it to be quite interesting. He claims that the dream of quantum gravity 
eliminating infinities from the standard model cannot succeed, and also that 
the entropy of the initial conditions of the universe was zero.
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