Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Jan 2013, at 08:26, meekerdb wrote: On 1/11/2013 10:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Jan 2013, at 19:59, meekerdb wrote: Since most of these people were theists, I found it easier to just say, I'm an atheist, because that succinctly conveys (to those who respect the meaning of

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-14 Thread meekerdb
On 1/11/2013 10:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Jan 2013, at 19:59, meekerdb wrote: On 1/10/2013 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:17, meekerdb wrote: On 1/9/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote: On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Jan 2013, at 17:37, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: I don't believe that you can explain perception without God And how do you explain perception WITH God except by saying God just did it? If the God theory could actually explain

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Jan 2013, at 21:42, meekerdb wrote: On 1/11/2013 10:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Jan 2013, at 20:02, meekerdb wrote: On 1/10/2013 8:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Empirical proofs can be ostensive. But I prefer not using proof for that. It can only be misleading when we do

Re: Re: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/11/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-10, 12:22:44 Subject: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism. wiki- Charles' law

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Jan 2013, at 19:59, meekerdb wrote: On 1/10/2013 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:17, meekerdb wrote: On 1/9/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote: On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here

Re: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
-01-10, 13:27:52 Subject: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism. On 1/10/2013 6:20 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: I have never understood what it means to be atheist. Sometimes it appears to mean existentialist not Christian god, another appearance is not organized religion

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-11 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Dear Bruno: - As I tried to show in robotic Truth, religion is a neccesity for the operation of social beings. For all machines, actually. Even when isolated. the robotic truth can be approached by introspection when the machine complexity is above the Löbian threshold. That´s absolutely

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-11 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
The Universe ( as a whole) is a Double World: next to Matter World ( a few % of whole mass of Universe) exist Vacuum World ( with more than 90% of whole mass of Universe). Question: How can the more than 90% of Vacuum Mass in the Universe (dark mass, dark energy, quantum virtual particles,

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:21 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Charles Law is appropriate at or near absolute zero , because this law belongs to the particles of ' ideal gas' , it means that these particles can exist in the absolute vacuum: T=0K. no, not OK -- You

Re: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
the following content - From: socra...@bezeqint.net Receiver: Everything List Time: 2013-01-11, 06:22:23 Subject: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism. The Universe ( as a whole) is a Double World: next to Matter World ( a few % of whole mass of Universe) exist Vacuum World

Re: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-11 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: I don't believe that you can explain perception without God And how do you explain perception WITH God except by saying God just did it? If the God theory could actually explain something and not just chant God did it I'd go to

Re: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-11 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Physicists often do experiemnts on crystals at 0 oK or near there. There is no such thing as nearly zero just as there is no such thing as nearly infinite or nearly pregnant; the Third law of Thermodynamics says that you

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-11 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
What is vacuum? =. The problem of the exact description of vacuum, in my opinion, is the basic problem now before physics. Really, if you can’t correctly describe the vacuum, how it is possible to expect a correct description of something more complex? / Paul Dirac ./ # The most fundamental

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Jan 2013, at 20:02, meekerdb wrote: On 1/10/2013 8:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Empirical proofs can be ostensive. But I prefer not using proof for that. It can only be misleading when we do applied logic. I prefer to call that empirical evidences. So I think the two kinds

Re: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-10, 12:22:44 Subject: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism. wiki- Charles' law (also known as the law of volumes

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-11 Thread meekerdb
On 1/11/2013 8:37 AM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net mailto:rclo...@verizon.net wrote: I don't believe that you can explain perception without God And how do you explain perception WITH God except by saying God just did it? If the God theory

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-11 Thread meekerdb
On 1/11/2013 10:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Jan 2013, at 20:02, meekerdb wrote: On 1/10/2013 8:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Empirical proofs can be ostensive. But I prefer not using proof for that. It can only be misleading when we do applied logic. I prefer to call that empirical

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-10 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:06 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Can we say that physical particles are often localised volumes that are full of infinities of discrete number relations Sounds to much physicalist for me (or comp). -- Particles in the vacuum (

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-10 Thread Richard Ruquist
soc, that truth referring to what Bruno said. may or may not be true. You did not read the thread. Richard On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:00 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Agreed, and I hope that truth is true . Richard Truth is true !!! / Richard / Very good proof. .

Re: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-10 Thread Roger Clough
. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-09, 15:55:18 Subject: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism. On 1/9/2013 7:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:35, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-10 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
On Jan 10, 12:12 pm, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Particles in the vacuum ( T=0K ) have no volumes ( according to the laws of thermodynamics ) Wrong According to Charle’s law and the consequence of the third law of thermodynamics as the thermodynamic temperature of a

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Jan 2013, at 18:56, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 16:17, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:35, Richard Ruquist

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:17, meekerdb wrote: On 1/9/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote: On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here Nah. It's just your wishful thinking that everybody has to believe in God. All

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Jan 2013, at 21:55, meekerdb wrote: On 1/9/2013 7:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:35, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Whoever invented

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-10 Thread Richard Ruquist
wiki- Charles' law (also known as the law of volumes) is an experimental gas law which describes how gases tend to expand when heated. Richard- Thermodynamics of gases breaks down near absolute where most materials have already changed phase to liquid (usually BEC) or solid. Charles Law is

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-10 Thread meekerdb
On 1/10/2013 6:20 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: I have never understood what it means to be atheist. Sometimes it appears to mean existentialist not Christian god, another appearance is not organized religion, which both appear reasonable. Intuitively however, I've always asked myself:

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-10 Thread meekerdb
On 1/10/2013 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:17, meekerdb wrote: On 1/9/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote: On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here Nah. It's just your wishful thinking that

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-10 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:27 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2013 6:20 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: I have never understood what it means to be atheist. Sometimes it appears to mean existentialist not Christian god, another appearance is not organized religion, which

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-10 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:41 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2013 11:31 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:27 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2013 6:20 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: I have never understood what it means

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Whoever invented the word God invented atheism. Not necessarily. The modern notion of God comes with the platonist, and was almost a synonym with truth. There was an implicit, but reasonable assumption, that humans search

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Jan 2013, at 21:25, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here We can not reduce the concept of God to a boring principle that we need to put somewhere. Like a ugly furniture inherited from the grand-parents which for its sentimental value we have to keep and locate

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Jan 2013, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote: On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here Nah. It's just your wishful thinking that everybody has to believe in God. All correct and self-introspective machine will believe in (some) God. Keep in mind that

Re: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-09 Thread Roger Clough
- From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-08, 11:37:47 Subject: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism. that reminds me that we do not really know what a word means until we understand what the opposite stands for. a sorta duality that math may be based

Re: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-09 Thread Roger Clough
is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-09, 05:37:48 Subject: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism. On 08 Jan 2013, at 21:25, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-09 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Whoever invented the word God invented atheism. Not necessarily. The modern notion of God comes with the platonist, and was almost a synonym with truth.

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-09, 05:37:48 Subject: Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism. On 08 Jan 2013, at 21:25, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here We can

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:35, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Whoever invented the word God invented atheism. Not necessarily. The modern notion of God comes with

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-09 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:35, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Whoever invented the word God

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Jan 2013, at 16:17, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:35, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Roger Clough

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-09 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 16:17, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:35, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Bruno Marchal

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-09 Thread meekerdb
On 1/9/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote: On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here Nah. It's just your wishful thinking that everybody has to believe in God. All correct and self-introspective machine will believe

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-09 Thread meekerdb
On 1/9/2013 7:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:35, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Whoever invented the word God invented atheism. Not

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-09 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
Agreed, and I hope that truth is true . Richard Truth is true !!! / Richard / Very good proof. . . . . . . and . . ‘. . by Beauty that beautiful things are beautiful . . . by largeness that large things are large and larger things larger, and by smallness that smaller things ate smaller .

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-09 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
Can we say that physical particles are often localised volumes that are full of infinities of discrete number relations Sounds to much physicalist for me (or comp). -- Particles in the vacuum ( T=0K ) have no volumes ( according to the laws of thermodynamics ) therefore we think

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-08 Thread Richard Ruquist
that reminds me that we do not really know what a word means until we understand what the opposite stands for. a sorta duality that math may be based on that may even be the basis of existence of how something can come from nothing. RR a semantic toe On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Roger Clough

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-08 Thread meekerdb
On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here Nah. It's just your wishful thinking that everybody has to believe in God. We can not reduce the concept of God to a boring principle that we need to put somewhere. Like a ugly furniture inherited from the

Re: Whoever invented the word God invented atheism.

2013-01-08 Thread meekerdb
On 1/8/2013 4:42 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2013/1/9 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here Nah. It's just your wishful thinking that everybody has to believe in God.