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Subject: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer
On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 4:06:06 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
The point that I am making is that our brain seems to be
continuously generating a virtual reality model
Time: 2012-09-05, 10:35:45
Subject: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer
On Sep 5, 2012, at 7:00 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
IMHO the burden to show that computers are alive and
have intelligence lies on the scientists.
I see
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Subject: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer
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Hi Craig Weinberg
IMHO the burden to show
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Subject: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer
On 9/6/2012 7:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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On 9/7/2012 8:26 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
I think of the brain as a running sensor of the static platonic world.
Sort of like looking out of the car window as you speed along.
Hi Roger,
How would this be different, from the point of view of the driver, if it
is the Car that
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Subject: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer
On 05 Sep 2012, at 14:45, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
What you call a virtual world, Kant and Leibniz call the phenomenal
world.
Hmm.. You simplify too much. Virtual
On 9/6/2012 1:21 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 05 Sep 2012, at 18:15, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Perhaps wrongly, I think of the world of monads as the virtual world.
Virtual means simulated by a computer, in computer science.
It has another meaning in physics, which I have never
On 9/6/2012 4:11 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
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On 05 Sep 2012, at 18:15, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Perhaps wrongly, I think of the world of monads as the virtual world.
Virtual means simulated by a computer, in computer science.
It has
On Thursday, September 6, 2012 7:37:38 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 9/5/2012 11:50 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 6:38:07 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
No, the stuff in our skulls is alive, has intelligence, and a 1p.
On 9/6/2012 7:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 6, 2012 7:37:38 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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Hi Stephen P. King
No, the stuff in our
On 9/5/2012 12:44 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
The brain can process data as it is listening (like buffering a video
download) and likely predict the final word before it is done being
uttered. To prove the brain somehow overcomes this half second delay
in a convincing way, you would need to
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Subject: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer
On 9/4/2012 11:17 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
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IMHO Not to disparage the superb work that computers can do
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Here is the link I mentioned:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdg4mU-wuhI
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
?
IMHO
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that everything could function.
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Subject: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer
On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 4:06:06 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
The point
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On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 4:06:06 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
?? The point that I am making
have to invent him
so that everything could function.
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whatsons
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Subject: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer
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On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 4:06:06 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 6:38:07 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
No, the stuff in our skulls is alive, has intelligence, and a 1p.
Computers don't and can't. Big sdifference.
Hi Roger,
锟斤拷� Please leave magic out of this, as any sufficiently advanced
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On 05 Sep 2012, at 14:45, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
What you call a virtual world, Kant and Leibniz call the phenomenal world.
Hmm.. You simplify too much
function.
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Hi Stephen P. King
: 2012-09-05, 10:27:22
Subject: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer
On Sep 5, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
What you call a virtual world, Kant and Leibniz call the phenomenal world.
Where did I use the term virtual world
On 9/5/2012 1:40 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
Leibniz's universe is completely alive, as was Whitehead's.
Whitehead in particular spoke of events (as I recall)
as occasions of experience.
Hi Roger,
A.N.Whitehead's idea is similar to a version of Craig's sense idea made
in a
At this moment this is true. Another thing is if the computer could
become intelligent enough. It is not easy to admit that the belief in
the possibility of making something intelligent exist well before
computers. Since the industrial revolution, some people believed in
the possibility of making
I mean good design not god design
2012/9/4 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com:
At this moment this is true. Another thing is if the computer could
become intelligent enough. It is not easy to admit that the belief in
the possibility of making something intelligent exist well before
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At this moment this is true. Another thing is if the computer could
become intelligent enough. It is not easy to admit that the belief in
the possibility
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Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function.
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Subject: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer
On Sep 4, 2012, at 6:55 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
Where is the aware subject in the computer ?
Where is the aware subject in you
On Sep 4, 2012, at 5:57 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com
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At this moment this is true. Another thing is if the computer could
become intelligent enough. It is not easy to admit that the belief in
the possibility of making something intelligent exist well before
computers.
, rclo...@verizon.net
9/4/2012
Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function.
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Subject: Re: Why a bacterium has more
Here is the link I mentioned:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdg4mU-wuhI
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
IMHO Not to disparage the superb work that computers can do,
but I think that it is a mistake to anthropo-morphise the computer.
On 9/4/2012 11:17 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
IMHO Not to disparage the superb work that computers can do,
but I think that it is a mistake to anthropo-morphise the computer.
It has no intelligence, no life, no awareness, there's
nothing magic about it. It's just a complex bunch of
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote:
On 9/4/2012 11:17 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
IMHO Not to disparage the superb work that computers can do,
but I think that it is a mistake to anthropo-morphise the computer.
It has no intelligence, no
On 9/4/2012 1:19 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Stephen P. King
stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote:
On 9/4/2012 11:17 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
IMHO Not to disparage the superb work that computers can do,
but I
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote:
On 9/4/2012 1:19 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote:
On 9/4/2012 11:17 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
IMHO Not to disparage the superb
On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 4:06:06 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
The point that I am making is that our brain seems to be continuously
generating a virtual reality model of the world that includes our body and
what we are conscious of is that model.
I like this description of a
On 9/4/2012 4:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote:
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stephe...@charter.net
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote:
On 9/4/2012 4:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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On 9/4/2012 1:19 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Stephen P. King
On 9/4/2012 8:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 4:06:06 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
The point that I am making is that our brain seems to be
continuously generating a virtual reality model of the world
that includes our body and what we are
On 9/4/2012 9:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Stephen P. King
stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote:
Hi Jason,
Yes, but think of it as a window where everything in it is
effectively simultaneous.
Perhaps this is the
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote:
On 9/4/2012 9:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote:
Hi Jason,
Yes, but think of it as a window where everything in it is
effectively
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi benjayk
Computers have no intelligence --not a whit, since intelligence requires
ability to choose, choice requires awareness or Cs, which in term requires
an aware subject. Thus only living entities can have
On Monday, September 3, 2012 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Roger Clough rcl...@verizon.netjavascript:
wrote:
Hi benjayk
Computers have no intelligence --not a whit, since intelligence requires
ability to choose, choice requires awareness or Cs,
I should add a number 5...Cognitive Bias.
How is it not obvious that computer scientists would want to believe very
badly in the unlimited potential of developing computers? Why is this not
considered a factor? We have study after study showing how the human mind
is so effective at fooling
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Monday, September 3, 2012 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Roger Clough rcl...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi benjayk
Computers have no intelligence --not a whit, since intelligence
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