On 25 Dec 2012, at 09:47, Roger Clough wrote:

Hi Jason Resch

No, the issue of consciousness is not a condition caused by pragmatics,
the use of language.

I agree. Consciousness is deeper and more primitive than language, although self-consciousness appears together with the ability to develop language and symbolism.



Consciousness/life/intelligence (subjectivity, or knowledge by acquaintance or 1p)
is fundamentally different from anyhing objective (physical or
(knowledge by description or 3p). Materialism cannot properly
deal with knowledge by acquaintance (1p), can only deal with 3p.

Materialism can explain a lot. But then it is simply inconsistent with comp, and the appearance of matter has to be explained by statistics on (arithmetical) computations.




The brief version of this is that Cs is personal, not impersonal.

1p is slo the mysterious world of solipsism, which does not exist
in the physical world. It is the world of the Tao Te Ching
("What is spoken of as the Tao is not the tao").

God has no name, OK. And 1p is the "inner God", who inherit his lack of name from the lack of name of the "outer God".

Bruno





[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/25/2012
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On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi Jason Resch

I would define consciousness as perception,
爀ither internal or external, by any of the senses.

So it is an activity, a verb, not a thing or noun.

Language is very flexible. 燨ften nouns are formed to describe what are fundamentally activities (e.g., a party, a dance, Brownian motion, (radioactive) decay, a race, etc.). 營 agree with you that consciousness is fundamentally an activity.

Jason

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