Re: Why our fine tuning and not some other?
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:25 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > Liz, > > That is the explanation It's not, because you force us to assume the very thing you are trying to explain. Telmo. > Edgar > > On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 3:44:00 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >> >> On 15 January 2014 04:40, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >>> >>> All, >>> >>> My Existence Axiom 'Existence exists because non-existence cannot exist', >>> answers the first fundamental question, namely, 'Why does something rather >>> than nothing exist?' >>> >> Next you need to explain why nothing can't exist. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Why our fine tuning and not some other?
You won't get a sensible answer. Edgar is just playing with words. He might as well have said "We're here because we're here because we're here because we're here." On 15 January 2014 18:20, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: > So you're assuming that "nothing" must mean "non-existence"? Why? > > In any case, "Existence exists because non-existence cannot exist" is > really more of a slogan than an axiom, as we can't make deductions from > it. While I'm quite sympathetic to Platonic-style ideas, I don't assume > them axiomatically, so I see a critical difference between: > (1) Intrinsically non-existent things cannot exist > and > (2) The abstraction "non-existence" cannot exist. > because there seems to be excellent reasons (e.g. Russell's paradox and > "heterologicality") to believe abstractions need not be instantiations of > the property they describe. > > > > > On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 7:25:48 PM UTC-6, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >> >> Liz, >> >> That is the explanation >> >> Edgar >> >> On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 3:44:00 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >>> >>> On 15 January 2014 04:40, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >>> All, My Existence Axiom 'Existence exists because non-existence cannot exist', answers the first fundamental question, namely, 'Why does something rather than nothing exist?' Next you need to explain why nothing can't exist. >>> >>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Why our fine tuning and not some other?
So you're assuming that "nothing" must mean "non-existence"? Why? In any case, "Existence exists because non-existence cannot exist" is really more of a slogan than an axiom, as we can't make deductions from it. While I'm quite sympathetic to Platonic-style ideas, I don't assume them axiomatically, so I see a critical difference between: (1) Intrinsically non-existent things cannot exist and (2) The abstraction "non-existence" cannot exist. because there seems to be excellent reasons (e.g. Russell's paradox and "heterologicality") to believe abstractions need not be instantiations of the property they describe. On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 7:25:48 PM UTC-6, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > Liz, > > That is the explanation > > Edgar > > On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 3:44:00 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >> >> On 15 January 2014 04:40, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >> >>> All, >>> >>> My Existence Axiom 'Existence exists because non-existence cannot >>> exist', answers the first fundamental question, namely, 'Why does something >>> rather than nothing exist?' >>> >>> Next you need to explain why nothing can't exist. >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Why our fine tuning and not some other?
Liz, That is the explanation Edgar On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 3:44:00 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > > On 15 January 2014 04:40, Edgar L. Owen >wrote: > >> All, >> >> My Existence Axiom 'Existence exists because non-existence cannot exist', >> answers the first fundamental question, namely, 'Why does something rather >> than nothing exist?' >> >> Next you need to explain why nothing can't exist. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Why our fine tuning and not some other?
On 15 January 2014 04:40, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > All, > > My Existence Axiom 'Existence exists because non-existence cannot exist', > answers the first fundamental question, namely, 'Why does something rather > than nothing exist?' > > Next you need to explain why nothing can't exist. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
