Re: Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-17 Thread Roger Clough
is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-16, 00:58:00 Subject: Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge On Sunday, December 16, 2012 12:52:53 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/15/2012 5

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-17 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/17/2012 8:15 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg If I believe in arithmetic and you don't, should I compromise with you ? Here is the dilemma: In the long run, liberals will create a better world, but in the long run, liberals will bring us to bankruptcy. Is this not a

Re: Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-17 Thread Roger Clough
. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-17, 09:02:43 Subject: Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge On 12/17/2012 8:15 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg If I believe in arithmetic and you don't, should I compromise with you ? Here is the dilemma: In the long run, liberals will create

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/15/2012 9:43 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If you have a group of people getting rich while other people are in bondage to them and stay poor, that presents a problem for social mobility - which is being realized now as the US has fallen beneath

Re: Re: Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
-list javascript: *Time:* 2012-12-15, 15:51:51 *Subject:* Re: Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge On Saturday, December 15, 2012 3:31:58 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg That's the old guilt argument. It's as old as Robin Hood and is just as likely to stay with us as it works

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-16 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/16/2012 3:29 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/15/2012 9:43 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If you have a group of people getting rich while other people are in bondage to them and stay poor, that presents a problem for social mobility - which is being

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, December 15, 2012 2:51:40 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg I beg to differ. My hero, Calvin Coolidge, the arch conservative of all time, once said, Don't just do something.Stand there. That's great if you are already standing on top of a

Re: Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-15 Thread Roger Clough
: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-15, 14:55:57 Subject: Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge On Saturday, December 15, 2012 2:51:40 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg I beg to differ. My hero, Calvin Coolidge, the arch conservative of all time, once said, Don't just do

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/15/2012 2:55 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, December 15, 2012 2:51:40 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg I beg to differ. My hero, Calvin Coolidge, the arch conservative of all time, once said, Don't just do something.Stand there. That's great if

Re: Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
:* Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge On Saturday, December 15, 2012 2:51:40 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg I beg to differ. My hero, Calvin Coolidge, the arch conservative of all time, once said, Don't just do something.Stand there. That's great if you

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/15/2012 4:21 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, December 15, 2012 3:50:36 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/15/2012 2:55 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, December 15, 2012 2:51:40 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg I beg to differ.

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Can you answer my question? Because conservatives generally speak from the perspective of the dominant culture. Hi Craig, Are there some other characteristics of conservatives that identifies them? Does the particular nature of the

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: It is well understood that to draw conclusions from a non-faithful sample of a population is to bias any possible prediction. Why are you focusing on some partition of some equivalence class: white, green, pink, yellow, purple,

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: You won't be a victim, but you will be at a disadvantage if you are trying to live and prosper in a Conservative world which focuses on the way things were rather than they way they are now, or could be, or should be. Hi Craig, What is the

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Why do they always seem to stagnate into polarization? Because people stop talking to each other honestly and frankly. Is that what typically happens? Yes, so long as one side or both accept that the people that do not agree with

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, December 16, 2012 12:43:42 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If you have a group of people getting rich while other people are in bondage to them and stay poor, that presents a problem for social mobility - which is being

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, December 16, 2012 12:52:53 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Why do they always seem to stagnate into polarization? Because people stop talking to each other honestly and frankly. Is that what typically happens?

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, December 16, 2012 12:15:28 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Can you answer my question? Because conservatives generally speak from the perspective of the dominant culture. Hi Craig, Are there some other

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, December 16, 2012 12:50:08 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: You won't be a victim, but you will be at a disadvantage if you are trying to live and prosper in a Conservative world which focuses on the way things were rather than

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, December 16, 2012 12:40:58 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: It is well understood that to draw conclusions from a non-faithful sample of a population is to bias any possible prediction. Why are you focusing on some

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/16/2012 12:55 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, December 16, 2012 12:43:42 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If you have a group of people getting rich while other people are in bondage to them and stay poor, that

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/16/2012 12:58 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: What can be said about people in power who oppose compromise with the other side? Can we say that it is the uncompromising obstructionists who are causing problems and replace them with people who will not necessarily vote with their party?

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/16/2012 1:02 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: t's not about how a person acts, it's about where the person is allowed to act. Allowed, how? Allowed implies not-allowed as well. Please understand that I am not defending conservatism! I am defending logic and reason! What country clubs

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/16/2012 1:05 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: What is the difference that makes a difference between being a victim (of some oppressive action) and being at a disadvantage. The same outcomes obtain! It's the framing. Calling someone a victim implicitly frames them as a loser,

Re: Wisdom from Calvin Cooldge

2012-12-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/16/2012 1:18 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: if you are a black male in America you are six times more likely to go to prison than a white male - and that this fact is not because white males don't break the law as much as black males. No, it is because of the disparity caused by a lack