Hi, Bardia. Welcome, although I haven't participated much here myself
lately. I've been too busy following my heart, although these
discussions also do touch on something down deep for me. I'll comment
briefly off the top of my head, but hopefully from my heart.
On Jan 23, 4:23 pm, bardiasoro...@gmail.com
bardiasoro...@gmail.com wrote:
I am new to this discussion forum and have not studied all of the
discourses and have a few questions.
1) have you guys contemplated the various recorded creation myths of
the world and do you think that in any way has relevancy to the quest?
I am a theist (two words ;) although not the type that people
usually think of nowadays. More of a mystico-theistic mathematician,
and yet I come up with the same math as everyone else! How does that
happen? LOL. I've talked some in the past on here about how
theological intuitions might relate to these topics. Maybe you can
search for those posts.
Quest is a good word. I think a good question to ask everyone here
would be Why are you here? That question was asked in the movie
Wanted, the answer was I don't know who I am. I think that answer
touches on a key aspect of why we search for the truth, the ultimate
truth whatever that might mean and be. The fact that the mind/body
problem still remains at the core of this quest for the truth about
everything, after all these centuries, millenia, is telling. Are we
any closer because of science? I doubt it. But if science hasn't
helped, that isn't all bad (unless we deny it), because the good news
is that we are no further away.
2) I see that at least one person has studied ancient thought
(Plotinus) and consequently the theory of emanation. Can a theory of a
primary etherealized matter, a first matter of the universe, which may
or may not be the stuff of dreams or mind (as some view it), be
blended with a type of big bang theory. Some take the cyclical theory
of the ancients and blend it with big bang theory. Theories root
meaning is to view... what do you guy's think of this mental view
and do you believe that something like it could be possible to:
A primary spiritual big bang or expansion, or emanation.. of a
rarefied, subtle, etherealized, sublimated form of matter. in some
way, perhaps an aspect of it, condensing or materializing and then
perhaps compacting and contracting into a multiplicity of intermediary
points that enact or give rise to the process we call the physical
big bangs of the empricical universe or multiverses. Something like
that, perhaps some one can articulate that possibility much more
elaborately and reasonably.
I like the idea of emanation. From the Source/One out to us all and
we in turn relate back (see below on love). Ignoring all the
fundamental religious dogma/insistence on how/when the initial
emanation took place (e.g. 6000 years ago), Genesis does paint of
picture of existence springing from a formless void.
3) What do you guy's believe the place of this power, force, energy,
feeling, experience of love has. If you look at your lives and the
literary inheritance, you may see that some people at some times, have
had extraordinary experiences of universal love, of a love for there
total experience, of all the nature and animals and humans and things
they perceive, or a feeling of vast and expansive love for humanity
and life which they call peak experiences and the highlights of there
life, the most important and greatest moments. What place does love
have in the movement of any theoretical system or supersystem. What do
we say about love?
Let us not forget to draw a deep line between belief and knowledge.
First, so where do you draw the line between belief and knowledge? It
deepens on what you mean by knowledge. May I suggest that the modern
view, which sprang out of part of the Greek view, is not the only form
of knowledge that may be helpful in finding truth? Knowledge which
has a definition based on utility doesn't really get us very far on
our quest. One illustration that knowledge doesn't have to have such
a narrow view as the scientific view is that to the ancient Hebrews
the word to know was used also to refer to what we call making
love, which goes to your question. And the believers in a personal
God believe that God is love, which is more than a sentimental quote
from a Hallmark card if you really think about the implications to
everything.
You say:
Yet one writer tackles this question by asserting: Consciousness implies
limitations and qualifications; something to be conscious of, and someone to
be conscious of it. But Absolute Consciousness contains the cognizer, the
thing cognized and the cognition, all three in itself and all three *one.
*Presumably, from the writers standpoint, whatever she is talking about, if
anything, is arrived at or realized through some form of meditation as
something to be experienced. Cannot verify having no basis in such an
