Re: has anyone ever proposed a version of the anthropic principle

2005-05-26 Thread Russell Standish
Sounds to me what Tipler was arguing in Physics of
Immortality. Whilst the Omega Point Theory developed in that book
is interesting and fun, most of the rest of the book is rubbish. 

Cheers

On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 10:35:03PM -0400, danny mayes wrote:
 to the effect that not only must the universe allow for intelligent 
 observers, specifically us, but that the universe must allow for 
 intelligent observers to be able to recreate or emulate their existence? 
 Maybe a stronger version would be to recreate or emulate infinitely.  I 
 am aware of the final AP, which suggests life, or information 
 processing, will exist forever.  However, thats not quite as strong or 
 final as what I'm suggesting. 
 

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Re: has anyone ever proposed a version of the anthropic principle

2005-05-26 Thread Stephen Paul King

Dear Russell and Friends,

   Having given a talk on this book with my friend David Woolsey, I would 
agree with you and add that it seems that Tipler has, as many others in the 
scientific community and they grow long in the tooth, realized the reality 
of their own mortality and have tried to use their knowledge to build 
theories to give themselves some hope of an afterlife.


Stephen

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Subject: Re: has anyone ever proposed a version of the anthropic principle

Sounds to me what Tipler was arguing in Physics of
Immortality. Whilst the Omega Point Theory developed in that book
is interesting and fun, most of the rest of the book is rubbish.

Cheers

On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 10:35:03PM -0400, danny mayes wrote:

to the effect that not only must the universe allow for intelligent
observers, specifically us, but that the universe must allow for
intelligent observers to be able to recreate or emulate their existence?
Maybe a stronger version would be to recreate or emulate infinitely.  I
am aware of the final AP, which suggests life, or information
processing, will exist forever.  However, thats not quite as strong or
final as what I'm suggesting.





Re: has anyone ever proposed a version of the anthropic principle

2005-05-26 Thread danny mayes

Russell,

You are right, Tipler basically makes that argument.  I just don't know 
if he or anyone couched it in terms of the anthropic principle in 
explaining what we observe and how we are here to observe it.


I agree that Tipler gets a little too speculative in his book, but I 
actually believe (as Deutsch suggests in FOR) that Tipler may well be on 
the right track.  The whole question boils down to  (for me): is our 
experience emulable?  If it is, you almost have to reject the MWI 
concept to preserve any hope of our conception of fundamental reality 
(meaning reality not brought about by an intermediate, intelligent 
information processing cause)


Danny 



Stephen Paul King wrote:


Dear Russell and Friends,

   Having given a talk on this book with my friend David Woolsey, I 
would agree with you and add that it seems that Tipler has, as many 
others in the scientific community and they grow long in the tooth, 
realized the reality of their own mortality and have tried to use 
their knowledge to build theories to give themselves some hope of an 
afterlife.


Stephen

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Subject: Re: has anyone ever proposed a version of the anthropic 
principle


Sounds to me what Tipler was arguing in Physics of
Immortality. Whilst the Omega Point Theory developed in that book
is interesting and fun, most of the rest of the book is rubbish.

Cheers

On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 10:35:03PM -0400, danny mayes wrote:


to the effect that not only must the universe allow for intelligent
observers, specifically us, but that the universe must allow for
intelligent observers to be able to recreate or emulate their existence?
Maybe a stronger version would be to recreate or emulate infinitely.  I
am aware of the final AP, which suggests life, or information
processing, will exist forever.  However, thats not quite as strong or
final as what I'm suggesting.