Re: has anyone ever proposed a version of the anthropic principle
Sounds to me what Tipler was arguing in Physics of Immortality. Whilst the Omega Point Theory developed in that book is interesting and fun, most of the rest of the book is rubbish. Cheers On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 10:35:03PM -0400, danny mayes wrote: to the effect that not only must the universe allow for intelligent observers, specifically us, but that the universe must allow for intelligent observers to be able to recreate or emulate their existence? Maybe a stronger version would be to recreate or emulate infinitely. I am aware of the final AP, which suggests life, or information processing, will exist forever. However, thats not quite as strong or final as what I'm suggesting. -- *PS: A number of people ask me about the attachment to my email, which is of type application/pgp-signature. Don't worry, it is not a virus. It is an electronic signature, that may be used to verify this email came from me if you have PGP or GPG installed. Otherwise, you may safely ignore this attachment. A/Prof Russell Standish Phone 8308 3119 (mobile) Mathematics0425 253119 () UNSW SYDNEY 2052 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Australiahttp://parallel.hpc.unsw.edu.au/rks International prefix +612, Interstate prefix 02 pgpKaFBkB16Kl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: has anyone ever proposed a version of the anthropic principle
Dear Russell and Friends, Having given a talk on this book with my friend David Woolsey, I would agree with you and add that it seems that Tipler has, as many others in the scientific community and they grow long in the tooth, realized the reality of their own mortality and have tried to use their knowledge to build theories to give themselves some hope of an afterlife. Stephen - Original Message - From: Russell Standish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: danny mayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 6:20 PM Subject: Re: has anyone ever proposed a version of the anthropic principle Sounds to me what Tipler was arguing in Physics of Immortality. Whilst the Omega Point Theory developed in that book is interesting and fun, most of the rest of the book is rubbish. Cheers On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 10:35:03PM -0400, danny mayes wrote: to the effect that not only must the universe allow for intelligent observers, specifically us, but that the universe must allow for intelligent observers to be able to recreate or emulate their existence? Maybe a stronger version would be to recreate or emulate infinitely. I am aware of the final AP, which suggests life, or information processing, will exist forever. However, thats not quite as strong or final as what I'm suggesting.
Re: has anyone ever proposed a version of the anthropic principle
Russell, You are right, Tipler basically makes that argument. I just don't know if he or anyone couched it in terms of the anthropic principle in explaining what we observe and how we are here to observe it. I agree that Tipler gets a little too speculative in his book, but I actually believe (as Deutsch suggests in FOR) that Tipler may well be on the right track. The whole question boils down to (for me): is our experience emulable? If it is, you almost have to reject the MWI concept to preserve any hope of our conception of fundamental reality (meaning reality not brought about by an intermediate, intelligent information processing cause) Danny Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Russell and Friends, Having given a talk on this book with my friend David Woolsey, I would agree with you and add that it seems that Tipler has, as many others in the scientific community and they grow long in the tooth, realized the reality of their own mortality and have tried to use their knowledge to build theories to give themselves some hope of an afterlife. Stephen - Original Message - From: Russell Standish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: danny mayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 6:20 PM Subject: Re: has anyone ever proposed a version of the anthropic principle Sounds to me what Tipler was arguing in Physics of Immortality. Whilst the Omega Point Theory developed in that book is interesting and fun, most of the rest of the book is rubbish. Cheers On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 10:35:03PM -0400, danny mayes wrote: to the effect that not only must the universe allow for intelligent observers, specifically us, but that the universe must allow for intelligent observers to be able to recreate or emulate their existence? Maybe a stronger version would be to recreate or emulate infinitely. I am aware of the final AP, which suggests life, or information processing, will exist forever. However, thats not quite as strong or final as what I'm suggesting.
