Re: measure again '10

2010-02-03 Thread Nick Prince
On Feb 2, 7:07 am, Jack Mallah jackmal...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: Jack is talking about copies in the common sense of initially physically identical beings who however occupy different places in the same spacetime and hence have

Re: measure again '10

2010-02-02 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 2 February 2010 18:07, Jack Mallah jackmal...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: if there were a million copies of me in lockstep and all but one were destroyed, then each of the million copies would feel that they had continuity of

Re: measure again '10

2010-02-01 Thread Jack Mallah
--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: Jack is talking about copies in the common sense of initially physically identical beings who however occupy different places in the same spacetime and hence have different viewpoints and experiences. No, that's incorrect.  I

Re: measure again '10

2010-02-01 Thread Brent Meeker
Jack Mallah wrote: --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: Jack is talking about copies in the common sense of initially physically identical beings who however occupy different places in the same spacetime and hence have different viewpoints and experiences.

Re: measure again '10

2010-01-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 26-janv.-10, à 22:29, Jack Mallah a écrit : --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 25 Jan 2010, at 23:16, Jack Mallah wrote: Killing one man is not OK just because he has a brother. In our context, the 'brother' has the same consciousness. The brother most

Re: measure again '10

2010-01-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2010/1/27 Jack Mallah jackmal...@yahoo.com: See above. That would be a measure-conserving process, so it would be OK. I would be upset at the prospect of someone killing me even if they filled the world with angelic beings by way of atonement, because it would not feel as if any of them were

Re: measure again '10

2010-01-27 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2010/1/27 Jack Mallah jackmal...@yahoo.com: See above. That would be a measure-conserving process, so it would be OK. I would be upset at the prospect of someone killing me even if they filled the world with angelic beings by way of atonement, because it

Re: measure again '10

2010-01-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 28 January 2010 05:31, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: If I understand you correctly, your discussion of copies really refers to copies that exist in different identical worlds, e.g. like different copies of the same AI running in identical virtual environments, so that they can

Re: measure again '10

2010-01-27 Thread Jason Resch
Jack, What you mentioned ending the existence of a suffering copy can be positive. I am curious, would you consider ending any observer whose quality of life was less than the average weighted (by number of copies) quality of life of all observers everywhere? Consider this example:

Re: measure again '10

2010-01-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Jan 2010, at 23:16, Jack Mallah wrote: Killing one man is not OK just because he has a brother. In our context, the 'brother' has the same consciousness. From this I conclude you would say no to the doctor. All right? The doctor certainly kill a 'brother' . Bruno Marchal

Re: measure again '10

2010-01-26 Thread Jack Mallah
--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 25 Jan 2010, at 23:16, Jack Mallah wrote: Killing one man is not OK just because he has a brother. In our context, the 'brother' has the same consciousness. The brother most certainly does not have the same consciousness. If he

Re: measure again '10

2010-01-26 Thread Nick Prince
Thank you Jack for your response. That one that is killed doesn't feel anything after he is killed. The one that lives experiences whatever he would have experienced anyway. There is NO TRANSFER of consciousness. Killing a guy (assuming he is not an evil guy or in great pain) and not