Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-20 Thread Roger Clough
Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-19, 15:29:00 Subject: Re: promoting REASON On 12/19/2012 9:53 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg OK, govts can finally fail, when the people find that they can legislate their own welfare. Or when the people realize that their government has just

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Dec 2012, at 23:07, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/19/2012 3:55 PM, meekerdb wrote: That's because the federal government was the instrument of freeing the slaves, over turning Jim Crow, giving women the vote and equal rights. No corporation ever supported personal or civil rights -

Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-20 Thread Roger Clough
the following content - From: Quentin Anciaux Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-19, 14:16:39 Subject: Re: promoting REASON 2012/12/19 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net On 12/19/2012 1:46 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 6:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/20/2012 12:41 PM, Roger Clough wrote: If the occupiers simply suffer from anomie, why do they go to the trouble of camping out on the street ? It's uncomfortable and boring. Dear Roger, They are post-modernFlagellants http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellant, they believe that their

Re: Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
- From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-18, 11:54:11 Subject: Re: Re: promoting REASON On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:34:14 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Party politics will soon end. The two parties of the future (next year if even

Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-18, 14:43:58 Subject: Re: promoting REASON On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:30:48 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/18/2012 2:17 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:19:46 PM UTC-5

Re: Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - *From:* Craig Weinberg javascript: *Receiver:* everything-list javascript: *Time:* 2012-12-18, 11:54:11 *Subject:* Re: Re: promoting REASON On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:34:14 AM UTC-5

Re: Re: Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-19, 10:56:37 Subject: Re: Re: Re: promoting REASON On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:54:32 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg The difference between corporations and the govt is that corps have to make a profit or they fail. Govt never fails

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/19/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg The difference between corporations and the govt is that corps have to make a profit or they fail. Or they get the government to give them breaks because they're too big to fail. Brent -- You received this message because you are

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/19/2012 6:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Conservatives don't want NO govt. They want minimal govt. I think you're confused; that's Libertarians. Conservatives always vote for more government control over individual behavior and more money for the military (that protects

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 1:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg The difference between corporations and the govt is that corps have to make a profit or they fail. Or they get the government to give them breaks because they're too big to fail. Brent Hi

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 1:46 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 6:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Conservatives don't want NO govt. They want minimal govt. I think you're confused; that's Libertarians. Conservatives always vote for more government control over individual behavior and more

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2012/12/19 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net On 12/19/2012 1:46 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 6:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Conservatives don't want NO govt. They want minimal govt. I think you're confused; that's Libertarians. Conservatives always vote for

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 2:16 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/12/19 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net On 12/19/2012 1:46 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 6:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Conservatives don't want NO govt. They want

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 2:08:20 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/19/2012 1:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg The difference between corporations and the govt is that corps have to make a profit or they fail. Or

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/19/2012 9:53 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg OK, govts can finally fail, when the people find that they can legislate their own welfare. Or when the people realize that their government has just become a tool of the rich and powerful to increase their wealth and power; in

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/19/2012 11:08 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/19/2012 1:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg The difference between corporations and the govt is that corps have to make a profit or they fail. Or they get the government to give them breaks

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/19/2012 11:12 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/19/2012 1:46 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 6:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Conservatives don't want NO govt. They want minimal govt. I think you're confused; that's Libertarians. Conservatives always vote for more

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:30:17 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/19/2012 2:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: All markets become first-come first-serve pyramid schemes by definition. And this means? What is the implication? That policies based on the assumption that

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 3:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 9:53 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg OK, govts can finally fail, when the people find that they can legislate their own welfare. Or when the people realize that their government has just become a tool of the rich and powerful to

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 3:50 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 11:08 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/19/2012 1:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg The difference between corporations and the govt is that corps have to make a profit or they fail. Or

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:56:43 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/19/2012 3:50 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 11:08 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/19/2012 1:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg The

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 3:55 PM, meekerdb wrote: That's because the federal government was the instrument of freeing the slaves, over turning Jim Crow, giving women the vote and equal rights. No corporation ever supported personal or civil rights - the only rights they ever support are the right to

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 4:34 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:30:17 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/19/2012 2:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: All markets become first-come first-serve pyramid schemes by definition. And this means? What is the

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/19/2012 2:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: But it isn't just money-under-the-table and campaign funding that corrupts; it is also a huge think-tank industry and media empire that supports politicians who vote to allow mergers and tax breaks and special regulations that, down

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:13:20 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 12/19/2012 2:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: But it isn't just money-under-the-table and campaign funding that corrupts; it is also a huge think-tank industry and media empire that supports politicians who vote to allow

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/19/2012 1:38 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/19/2012 3:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/19/2012 9:53 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg OK, govts can finally fail, when the people find that they can legislate their own welfare. Or when the people realize that their government has

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 5:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: So, basically, we are just screwed. OK! ;-) At least the super-rich will have higher numbers in their bank accounts. That will make the loss of civilization for the other 6. billion people all worthwhile ;) So, who is handing out

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 6:47 PM, meekerdb wrote: The people don't have to be armed to overthrow their government. It depends on the culture; but revolutions were successful in the USSR, Poland, India, and South Africa even though the people were not armed. Violent revolutions very often lead to

Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-18 Thread Roger Clough
, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-17, 19:08:17 Subject: Re: promoting REASON On Monday, December 17, 2012 5:57:40 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 3:05 PM

Re: Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-17, 19:08:17 Subject: Re: promoting REASON On Monday, December 17, 2012 5:57:40 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 3:05 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Now that I know

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-18 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/18/2012 11:54 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:34:14 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Party politics will soon end. The two parties of the future (next year if even that) will be (a) those who want to cut the debt and (b) those

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:19:46 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/18/2012 11:54 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:34:14 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Party politics will soon end. The two parties of the future (next year if

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-18 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/18/2012 2:17 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:19:46 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/18/2012 11:54 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:34:14 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Party politics

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:30:48 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/18/2012 2:17 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:19:46 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/18/2012 11:54 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:34:14

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-18 Thread meekerdb
On 12/18/2012 8:54 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: As far as the pipe dream of increasing individual liberty by reducing the power of government, can't you see that unconstitutional Corporate Feudalism will fill the vacuum before you can say Habeus Corpus? You think that Monsanto is going to give

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-17 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/17/2012 3:05 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Now that I know that Conservatism is based on preserving the value of fear, it makes sense that the arguments tend to jump unexplainably from hey, why is that one guy hogging all of the money? to The only alternative is 'everyone will die'. If we

Re: promoting REASON

2012-12-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, December 17, 2012 5:57:40 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 3:05 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Now that I know that Conservatism is based on preserving the value of fear, it makes sense that the arguments tend to jump unexplainably from hey, why is that one guy