Re: random, was Predictions duplications

2001-10-17 Thread jamikes

Bruno, I appreciate your choice of incompressibility - as far as
mathematical views are concerned. How about a random choice of a color
from a hundred others? can this be algorithmic and incomressible?
Or a choice at random from available several routes, how to defend an
innocent accused in court?
I admire you, physicists, for writing an equation to everything. I cannot
find this applicable with infinite variables and infinite levels of
influences among applicable factors (=natural systems).
I do not find Russell's choice without a cause applicable without
interjecting known before 'cause'. Which does not mean deterministic
extremism, the choices are close and fractalously propagating into quite
diverse routes, so it is beyond designability how a later situation will
look.

 John M




Re: random, was Predictions duplications

2001-10-17 Thread Russell Standish

Yes, in a different context, random could be applied to deterministic
chaos, however in the context of our discussion, we're not talking
about that.

Cheers

jamikes wrote:
 
 Bruno, I appreciate your choice of incompressibility - as far as
 mathematical views are concerned. How about a random choice of a color
 from a hundred others? can this be algorithmic and incomressible?
 Or a choice at random from available several routes, how to defend an
 innocent accused in court?
 I admire you, physicists, for writing an equation to everything. I cannot
 find this applicable with infinite variables and infinite levels of
 influences among applicable factors (=natural systems).
 I do not find Russell's choice without a cause applicable without
 interjecting known before 'cause'. Which does not mean deterministic
 extremism, the choices are close and fractalously propagating into quite
 diverse routes, so it is beyond designability how a later situation will
 look.
 
  John M
 




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Re: Random, was Predictions duplications

2001-10-15 Thread jamikes

According to whim or taste implies a conscious entity performing
choices according to a free will. This need not be the case. In my
mind, random means selected without cause (or without
procedure/algorithm).

Russell picked my example from a language which has no equivalent to the
word random . Besides: I deny free will, except for the Creator Almighty
when the world was drawn up. G Since then all free will is subject to I/O
circumstances, prior art, experience, whatever (un?)conscious consideration
one may include.

A lot has been written on randomness, and its problematic nature. I
don't for one minute suggest I have anything new to say on the
matter. 

Maybe some choice anong controversial versions?
I find Bruno's choice remarkable about the incompressibility. Will think
about it, thanks, Bruno.

JM