Hi Roger Clough,
On 23 Nov 2012, at 18:18, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
I blow hot and cold about comp because I am not
really a theoretical thinker, I have to see how whatever works,
and I' stuck on US(1) as I do not know who is in control:
you or the computer ?.
You. the computer, or even the brain, is just a tool used by your
consciousness to manifest yourself in the environment.
Brain and computer cannot, strictly speaking, think. Only person can
think and take initiative. Comp does not assume a computer can think
(if computer denotes the material machine), it assumes only that a
computer can manifest the complex number relations, or programs
relations needed for your consciousness to manifest itself in some
environment.
Feel free to ask any question (perhaps regrouped so as to avoid
mailboxes panic).
Bruno
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
11/23/2012
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Subject: Re: isn't comp a pre-established perfect correspondence
On 23 Nov 2012, at 13:14, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
The problem is very basic and concerns at least UD(1).
I would call it the "what's next" problem.
Suppose you say yes, doctor and then wake up after the
transplant of a computer for your brain. Everything feels
fine, there is is no problem to solve, you have no immediate goal,
so what do you do next ?
That is a funny question. I do not see at all the point. I guess
that what I do next will be the usual things. I will pay the doctor
bill, and come back to work, or take some rest, perhaps. The same
question can be asked to someone getting an artificial heart, or
coming back from hospital for any reason.
UD-1, actually UD-0, is just the definition of comp: the idea that
the brain is a machine in the quasi-operational sense of accepting
the transplant.
Then UD-1 is do you accept that if UD-0 is correct (comp is true),
then we can in principle use classical teleportation (as described
in the paper) as a locomotion mean?
Bruno
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
11/23/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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Time: 2012-11-22, 10:09:27
Subject: Re: isn't comp a pre-established perfect correspondence
Hi Roger,
On 22 Nov 2012, at 13:57, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno
Wouldn't there have to be a pre-established perfect correspondence
between the mind of the human (or the state of the world) with
the computer in order for comp to hold ?
You don't need a "perfect" correspondence. What would that mean?
Even a brain has to make a lot of approximate representations all
of the time, and to correct many error through redundant neuronal
circuitry.
But that would require the computer to know the future.
Hence comp is false.
You seem to be quite quick. I am not sure I see your point at all.
For comp being false, you need to postulate that there are some
activities which are not Turing emulable in the body, but up to now
everything in nature seems to be based on computable (Turing
emulable) laws (except the wave packet reduction, which is itself
quite a speculation).
Have you try to read the UD argument? Are you OK with the
definition of comp, and step 1?
Bruno
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
11/22/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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