Brent wrote (I wish I knew TO whom):
Why not? It acts on the temperature.
Acts? remember my proposed definition for Ccness:
Response to relations (like: temperature).
We are deeply in a semantic fit.
I don't think you wanted to argue with me - just clarifying.
JM
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at
On 6/5/2013 3:13 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Brent wrote (I wish I knew TO whom):
Why not? It acts on the temperature.
Acts? remember my proposed definition for Ccness:
Response to relations (like: temperature).
We are deeply in a semantic fit.
I don't think you wanted to argue with me - just
On 31 May 2013, at 19:20, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/31/2013 8:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 30 May 2013, at 21:04, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/30/2013 2:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 May 2013, at 20:12, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/29/2013 12:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I don't see the analogy. I
On 30 May 2013, at 21:04, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/30/2013 2:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 May 2013, at 20:12, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/29/2013 12:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I don't see the analogy. I don't think consciousness can be
negative, or even that it can be measured by one
On 5/31/2013 8:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 30 May 2013, at 21:04, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/30/2013 2:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 May 2013, at 20:12, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/29/2013 12:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I don't see the analogy. I don't think consciousness can be negative, or
On 29 May 2013, at 20:12, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/29/2013 12:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I don't see the analogy. I don't think consciousness can be
negative, or even that it can be measured by one dimension. All-
or-nothing would be a function that is either 1 or 0.
The point is more
On 5/30/2013 2:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 May 2013, at 20:12, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/29/2013 12:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I don't see the analogy. I don't think consciousness can be negative, or even that it
can be measured by one dimension. All-or-nothing would be a function that
On 28 May 2013, at 19:23, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/28/2013 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 May 2013, at 01:53, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/27/2013 2:18 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno:
do you indeed exclude the other animals from being
selfconcious? or - having a logic on their own level? Or any
On 29 May 2013, at 00:10, John Mikes wrote:
Evgenyi, you write very 'deep' and 'smart things.
One bothers me:
..the neurological substrates that generate consciousness.
first the anthropocentric sound (neurological?) and then the
unidentified term of Ccness.
In this same post (cf Russell
On 29 May 2013, at 06:59, Kim Jones wrote:
On 29/05/2013, at 2:04 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
You don't need language to feel the hotness of a fire.
Bruno
You don't need language to feel the effect of music.
Good point.
Language is the greatest barrier to
On 29 May 2013, at 08:33, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/28/2013 11:13 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 May 2013, at 19:23, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/28/2013 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 May 2013, at 01:53, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/27/2013 2:18 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno:
do you indeed exclude the
Brent: after lots of back-and-forth you wrote:
*...I don't see the analogy. I don't think consciousness can be negative,
or even that it can be measured by one dimension. All-or-nothing would
be a function that is either 1 or 0. If you can be conscious of red and
green, then I'd say you are
On 5/29/2013 12:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 May 2013, at 08:33, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/28/2013 11:13 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 May 2013, at 19:23, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/28/2013 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 May 2013, at 01:53, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/27/2013 2:18 PM, John
On 27 May 2013, at 23:18, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno:
do you indeed exclude the other animals from being selfconcious?
?
No, not at all. My current feeling (for what is worth) is that
consciousness begins with the bacteria, plants and all animals.
And self-consciousness arise already with
On 5/28/2013 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 May 2013, at 01:53, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/27/2013 2:18 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno:
do you indeed exclude the other animals from being selfconcious? or - having a logic
on their own level? Or any other trait we assign (identify?) for humans -
Evgenyi, you write very 'deep' and 'smart things.
One bothers me:
*..the neurological substrates that generate consciousness. *
first the anthropocentric sound (neurological?) and then the unidentified
term of Ccness.
In this same post (cf Russell and Brent) different contents are proposed,
Brent:
*...I don't think consciousness is an all-or-nothing property..*
In that unnerving struggle of 2 decades to 'generalize' (some of) those
zillion positions the diverse authors exuded about Ccness (to fit THEIR own
theories - whatever they thought it was) I concluded that what most people
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 27 May 2013, at 23:18, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno:
do you indeed exclude the other animals from being selfconcious?
?
No, not at all. My current feeling (for what is worth) is that
consciousness begins with the
On 29/05/2013, at 2:04 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
You don't need language to feel the hotness of a fire.
Bruno
You don't need language to feel the effect of music.
Kim Jones
Language is the greatest barrier to communication that still exists - Edward
de Bono
On 27 May 2013, at 01:12, Russell Standish wrote:
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 05:05:28PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 May 2013, at 13:29, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
The absence of a neocortex does not appear to preclude an
organism from experiencing affective states. Convergent evidence
Bruno:
do you indeed exclude the other animals from being selfconcious? or -
having a logic on their own level? Or any other trait we assign (identify?)
for humans - in our terms?
A question about plants (rather: about being conscious):
you may feel free to define 'being conscious' in human
On 5/27/2013 2:18 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno:
do you indeed exclude the other animals from being selfconcious? or - having a logic
on their own level? Or any other trait we assign (identify?) for humans - in our terms?
A question about plants (rather: about being conscious):
you may feel
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 04:53:56PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
I don't think consciousness is an all-or-nothing property. You have
to ask Consciousness of what? There's consciousness of
surroundings: sound, photons, temperature, chemical
concentrations There's consciousness of internal
On 5/27/2013 5:08 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 04:53:56PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
I don't think consciousness is an all-or-nothing property. You have
to ask Consciousness of what? There's consciousness of
surroundings: sound, photons, temperature, chemical
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 05:44:57PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/27/2013 5:08 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 04:53:56PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
I don't think consciousness is an all-or-nothing property. You have
to ask Consciousness of what? There's consciousness of
The absence of a neocortex does not appear to preclude an organism from
experiencing affective states. Convergent evidence indicates that
non-human animals have the neuroanatomical, neurochemical, and
neurophysiological substrates of conscious states along with the
capacity to exhibit
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 05:05:28PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 May 2013, at 13:29, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
The absence of a neocortex does not appear to preclude an
organism from experiencing affective states. Convergent evidence
indicates that non-human animals have the
On May 26, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
wrote:
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 05:05:28PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 May 2013, at 13:29, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
The absence of a neocortex does not appear to preclude an
organism from experiencing affective
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