Hi Craig Weinberg There is no time stamp on truth. Should Penrose be disallowed from mentioning Plato ?
Should we throw out Aristotle's posterior logic because of Einstein's discovery ? How about the natural numbers ? They go back to Pythagoras at least. What Hume came up with is a product of simple rational reasoning which has nothing to do with quantum theory, etc. So what ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/4/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-04, 00:59:11 Subject: Re: There is no such thing as cause and effect On Monday, September 3, 2012 1:38:03 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Roger Clough <rcl...@verizon.net> wrote: > I don't hold to Popper's criterion. There's got to be a lot of things that > are not falsifiable. Popper didn't say everything is falsifiable, he said if it's not falsifiable then it's pointless to subject your valuable brain cells to the ware and tear of thinking about them because you're never going to make any progress, none zero goose egg. Your time could be better spent thinking about other things, falsifiable things, because those you just might be able to figure out; no guarantee but at least you have a chance. > For example, you drop an apple and gravity pulls it down. You can't turn off > the gravity to falsify it Yes you can, get in a rocket and travel far from the center of the earth, or just get in a elevator and cut the cable. > Actually, Hume discussed cause and effect to some great length. He said [blah > blah]. Leibniz also believed as Hume did. These philosophers died several centuries before the discovery of Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, the electromagnetic theory of light and even thermodynamics and a understanding of what energy and entropy are. They knew nothing about chemistry or atoms and couldn't tell a electron from Electra, they didn't know about the big bang or that the universe was expanding much less accelerating, in fact the very concept of acceleration would have been considered cutting edge science for them. The idea that these ancients had anything useful to say to a modern physicist about cause and effect or anything else is utterly ridiculous. The idea that someone considers the sum total of human thought irrelevant in the face of the achievements of recent physics is so profoundly prejudiced and counter to scientific thought that is utterly ridiculous. Is it possible that the architects of the pyramids might have known something that the architects of large hotels don't? Could Shakespeare know something about writing in English that J.K. Rowling doesn't? The philosophers who you dismiss have a lot more to do with why you know the words cause and effect than does the work of any contemporary physicist. They formulated the way that we think about it to this day, far more successfully I might add, then the muddle of conflicting interpretations and shoulder shrugging mysticism that has come out of quantum mechanics. I can respect your boldness in being willing to break from the past - I don't care much for elevating the past either, but the more I see of the originality and vision of philosophers, the less impressed I am with the instrumentalism of modernity. Craig John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/HeVvx0-g6gkJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
