Re: Time as an emergent phenomenon
On 23 Oct 2013, at 22:48, LizR wrote: I will be reading this as soon as I get the time, I mean the emergent phenomenon...but thought in the meantime you guys might be interested :-) https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/d5d3dc850933 I may have comments once I've had a chance to read it! Very interesting, and quite close the way time, and space have to appear from a universal number points of view, in case the normal measure does not contain too much white rabbits, which needs to be verify. Now, I thought, perhaps naively, that after Einstein and Gödel, no one serious still believed in a real time. Here I allude to Gödel's work in General Relativity. I recommend the reading of the book of Palle Yourgreau, which made me realize that perhaps not so much scientist have understood the vanishing of time, in physics. But the link you provided is not just on the disparition (and phenomenological emergence) of time, but on an elegant way to recover it in a first person plural ways, and a way to test this. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Time as an emergent phenomenon
From SR and GR, photons are static in time. So I do not understand how differences in photon time can emerge. On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 23 Oct 2013, at 22:48, LizR wrote: I will be reading this as soon as I get the time, I mean the emergent phenomenon...but thought in the meantime you guys might be interested :-) https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/d5d3dc850933 I may have comments once I've had a chance to read it! Very interesting, and quite close the way time, and space have to appear from a universal number points of view, in case the normal measure does not contain too much white rabbits, which needs to be verify. Now, I thought, perhaps naively, that after Einstein and Gödel, no one serious still believed in a real time. Here I allude to Gödel's work in General Relativity. I recommend the reading of the book of Palle Yourgreau, which made me realize that perhaps not so much scientist have understood the vanishing of time, in physics. But the link you provided is not just on the disparition (and phenomenological emergence) of time, but on an elegant way to recover it in a first person plural ways, and a way to test this. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Time as an emergent phenomenon
This actually seems rather similar to the picture of the universe Barrington Bayley came up with in Collision with Chronos, in my opinion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collision_Course_%28Bayley_novel%29 http://www.oivas.com/bjb/bsr2.html On 25 October 2013 05:02, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: From SR and GR, photons are static in time. So I do not understand how differences in photon time can emerge. On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 23 Oct 2013, at 22:48, LizR wrote: I will be reading this as soon as I get the time, I mean the emergent phenomenon...but thought in the meantime you guys might be interested :-) https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/d5d3dc850933 I may have comments once I've had a chance to read it! Very interesting, and quite close the way time, and space have to appear from a universal number points of view, in case the normal measure does not contain too much white rabbits, which needs to be verify. Now, I thought, perhaps naively, that after Einstein and Gödel, no one serious still believed in a real time. Here I allude to Gödel's work in General Relativity. I recommend the reading of the book of Palle Yourgreau, which made me realize that perhaps not so much scientist have understood the vanishing of time, in physics. But the link you provided is not just on the disparition (and phenomenological emergence) of time, but on an elegant way to recover it in a first person plural ways, and a way to test this. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Time as an emergent phenomenon
On 25 October 2013 05:02, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: From SR and GR, photons are static in time. So I do not understand how differences in photon time can emerge. In the experimental setup they are passed through polarising filters, so the time-evolution of the system involves changes to their states of polarisation. [image: Inline images 1] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Time as an emergent phenomenon
Then the schrodinger cat in the box is a little block multiverse with both supperposed possible states until we open it and become entangled. 2013/10/25, LizR lizj...@gmail.com: On 25 October 2013 05:02, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: From SR and GR, photons are static in time. So I do not understand how differences in photon time can emerge. In the experimental setup they are passed through polarising filters, so the time-evolution of the system involves changes to their states of polarisation. [image: Inline images 1] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Time as an emergent phenomenon
Assuming a perfect decoherence free box, I think you're right. On 25 October 2013 13:20, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Then the schrodinger cat in the box is a little block multiverse with both supperposed possible states until we open it and become entangled. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Time as an emergent phenomenon
I will be reading this as soon as I get the time, I mean the emergent phenomenon...but thought in the meantime you guys might be interested :-) https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/d5d3dc850933 I may have comments once I've had a chance to read it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Time as an emergent phenomenon
Time emerges from entanglement, at the end the paper indicates time emerging from photons. I wonder if the paper is having fun with us, via spooky action at a distance? No entanglement, no time and no photons, no time? So if one is in an underground mine, switch the lights off, and then time cannot emerge? Either with entanglement or photons, I do not see time emerging anymore then I perceive blueness, or antigravity being produced. I might be to stuck in my ways to appreciate this paper. -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:48 pm Subject: Time as an emergent phenomenon I will be reading this as soon as I get the time, I mean the emergent phenomenon...but thought in the meantime you guys might be interested :-) https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/d5d3dc850933 I may have comments once I've had a chance to read it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Time as an emergent phenomenon
I've read the precis but not the paper itself, so I can't comment on that (assuming I will be able to when i HAVE read it...!) But if time emerges from entanglement, that doesn't just involve photons, everything can be entangled with everything else - this is the basis of the MWI, I believe (for one thing). On 24 October 2013 10:53, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Time emerges from entanglement, at the end the paper indicates time emerging from photons. I wonder if the paper is having fun with us, via spooky action at a distance? No entanglement, no time and no photons, no time? So if one is in an underground mine, switch the lights off, and then time cannot emerge? Either with entanglement or photons, I do not see time emerging anymore then I perceive blueness, or antigravity being produced. I might be to stuck in my ways to appreciate this paper. -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.**comeverything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:48 pm Subject: Time as an emergent phenomenon I will be reading this as soon as I get the time, I mean the emergent phenomenon...but thought in the meantime you guys might be interested :-) https://medium.com/the-**physics-arxiv-blog/**d5d3dc850933https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/d5d3dc850933 I may have comments once I've had a chance to read it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comeverything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.**comeverything-list@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/everything-listhttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comeverything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.**comeverything-list@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/everything-listhttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Time as an emergent phenomenon
Yes the article mentioned the W-D equation, that's what the idea is based on. On 24 October 2013 11:14, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a video on the same topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ogiQ2E6n0U According to the video the result has been implied since 1967, with the Wheeler-DeWitt equation. The timelessness is mentioned here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheeler%E2%80%93DeWitt_equation#Mathematical_formalism Jason On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:53 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Time emerges from entanglement, at the end the paper indicates time emerging from photons. I wonder if the paper is having fun with us, via spooky action at a distance? No entanglement, no time and no photons, no time? So if one is in an underground mine, switch the lights off, and then time cannot emerge? Either with entanglement or photons, I do not see time emerging anymore then I perceive blueness, or antigravity being produced. I might be to stuck in my ways to appreciate this paper. -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.**comeverything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:48 pm Subject: Time as an emergent phenomenon I will be reading this as soon as I get the time, I mean the emergent phenomenon...but thought in the meantime you guys might be interested :-) https://medium.com/the-**physics-arxiv-blog/**d5d3dc850933https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/d5d3dc850933 I may have comments once I've had a chance to read it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comeverything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.**comeverything-list@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/everything-listhttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comeverything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.**comeverything-list@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/everything-listhttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Time as an emergent phenomenon
Emergence, entanglement, and time make more sense as divergence, disentanglement, and nested frequency ranges of experience, IMO. On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:53:20 PM UTC-4, spudb...@aol.com wrote: Time emerges from entanglement, at the end the paper indicates time emerging from photons. I wonder if the paper is having fun with us, via spooky action at a distance? No entanglement, no time and no photons, no time? So if one is in an underground mine, switch the lights off, and then time cannot emerge? Either with entanglement or photons, I do not see time emerging anymore then I perceive blueness, or antigravity being produced. I might be to stuck in my ways to appreciate this paper. -Original Message- From: LizR liz...@gmail.com javascript: To: everything-list everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:48 pm Subject: Time as an emergent phenomenon I will be reading this as soon as I get the time, I mean the emergent phenomenon...but thought in the meantime you guys might be interested :-) https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/d5d3dc850933 I may have comments once I've had a chance to read it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Time as an emergent phenomenon
Do not bother with the physics blog. It contains many errors. Go to arVix.com for the original paper On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: Emergence, entanglement, and time make more sense as divergence, disentanglement, and nested frequency ranges of experience, IMO. On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:53:20 PM UTC-4, spudb...@aol.com wrote: Time emerges from entanglement, at the end the paper indicates time emerging from photons. I wonder if the paper is having fun with us, via spooky action at a distance? No entanglement, no time and no photons, no time? So if one is in an underground mine, switch the lights off, and then time cannot emerge? Either with entanglement or photons, I do not see time emerging anymore then I perceive blueness, or antigravity being produced. I might be to stuck in my ways to appreciate this paper. -Original Message- From: LizR liz...@gmail.com To: everything-list everyth...@googlegroups.**com Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2013 4:48 pm Subject: Time as an emergent phenomenon I will be reading this as soon as I get the time, I mean the emergent phenomenon...but thought in the meantime you guys might be interested :-) https://medium.com/the-**physics-arxiv-blog/**d5d3dc850933https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/d5d3dc850933 I may have comments once I've had a chance to read it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-li...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/everything-listhttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
