Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Oct 2012, at 21:14, meekerdb wrote: On 10/26/2012 5:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Oct 2012, at 07:10, meekerdb wrote: On 10/24/2012 9:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Or what if we don't care? We don't care about slaughtering cattle, which are pretty smart as computers go. We

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Oct 2012, at 07:10, meekerdb wrote: On 10/24/2012 9:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Or what if we don't care? We don't care about slaughtering cattle, which are pretty smart as computers go. We manage not to think about starving children in Africa, and they *are* humans. And we

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Oct 2012, at 19:54, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/25/2012 12:05 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Oct 2012, at 03:59, Craig Weinberg wrote: If we turn the Fading Qualia argument around, what we get is a world in which Comp is true and it is impossible to simulate cellular activity

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-26 Thread meekerdb
On 10/26/2012 5:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Oct 2012, at 07:10, meekerdb wrote: On 10/24/2012 9:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Or what if we don't care? We don't care about slaughtering cattle, which are pretty smart as computers go. We manage not to think about starving

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-25 Thread meekerdb
On 10/24/2012 10:48 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:29:24 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/24/2012 10:19 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:10:24 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/24/2012 9:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-25 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/25/2012 2:01 AM, meekerdb wrote: To me, there is no chalkboard world. It's all dusty and flat. Not much sexy going on, except maybe for beaten erasers. To you maybe, but what about the chalk-people's qualia. Brent Good question! We can ask the same question of mathematical

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, October 25, 2012 2:01:44 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/24/2012 10:48 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:29:24 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/24/2012 10:19 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:10:24 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote:

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Oct 2012, at 03:59, Craig Weinberg wrote: If we turn the Fading Qualia argument around, what we get is a world in which Comp is true and it is impossible to simulate cellular activity without evoking the presumed associated experience. If we wanted to test a new painkiller for

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-25 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/25/2012 12:05 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Oct 2012, at 03:59, Craig Weinberg wrote: If we turn the Fading Qualia argument around, what we get is a world in which Comp is true and it is impossible to simulate cellular activity without evoking the presumed associated experience. If

What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
If we turn the Fading Qualia argument around, what we get is a world in which Comp is true and it is impossible to simulate cellular activity without evoking the presumed associated experience. If we wanted to test a new painkiller for instance, Comp=true means that it is *IMPOSSIBLE* to model

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: If we turn the Fading Qualia argument around, what we get is a world in which Comp is true and it is impossible to simulate cellular activity without evoking the presumed associated experience. If we wanted to test

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:05:40 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: If we turn the Fading Qualia argument around, what we get is a world in which Comp is true and it is impossible to simulate cellular

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread meekerdb
On 10/24/2012 6:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If we turn the Fading Qualia argument around, what we get is a world in which Comp is true and it is impossible to simulate cellular activity without evoking the presumed associated experience. If we wanted to test a new painkiller for instance,

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:54:52 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/24/2012 6:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If we turn the Fading Qualia argument around, what we get is a world in which Comp is true and it is impossible to simulate cellular activity without evoking the presumed

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread meekerdb
On 10/24/2012 9:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Or what if we don't care? We don't care about slaughtering cattle, which are pretty smart as computers go. We manage not to think about starving children in Africa, and they *are* humans. And we ignore the looming disasters

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:10:24 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/24/2012 9:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Or what if we don't care? We don't care about slaughtering cattle, which are pretty smart as computers go. We manage not to think about starving children in Africa, and they

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread meekerdb
On 10/24/2012 10:19 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:10:24 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/24/2012 9:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Or what if we don't care? We don't care about slaughtering cattle, which are pretty smart as computers go.

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:29:24 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/24/2012 10:19 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:10:24 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/24/2012 9:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Or what if we don't care? We don't care about slaughtering cattle,