Hi Stathis Papaioannou If you tell me that my mother has just died and I cry, the process is initiated not by the objective brain, but by a subjective thought. And more importantly, there has to be a self to cause that thought and that reaction. It was MY mother ! I feel sad. The brain does not have a self (an I, a my). So it cannot consciously cause anything.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/25/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Stathis Papaioannou Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-24, 23:45:10 Subject: Epiphenomenalism (was: Re: Bruno's Restaurant) On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > Pain is anything but epiphenomenal. The fact that someone is able to talk > about it rules out it being an epiphenomenon. The behaviour - talking about the pain - could be explained entirely as a sequence of physical events, without any hint of underlying qualia. By analogy, we can explain the behaviour of a billiard ball entirely in physical terms, without any idea if the ball has qualia or some other ineffable non-quale property. In the ball's case this property, like the experience of pain, would be epiphenomenal, without causal efficacy of its own. -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
