Re: [Evolution-hackers] Error storing summary.
On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 15:34 +0530, Srinivasa Ragavan wrote: Sankar, Yet another solution for this problem will be to (re)write the local backend using the camel-offline-folder model, where every mail in the folder is stored in a distributed fashion, avoiding one huge mbox or huge files in a directory and also solves issues like unlink the file to delete a mail etc. Right. Got it. Something like what I do with GroupWise caches. Nice One. -Srini On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 14:51 +0530, Sankar P wrote: On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 23:57 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: OK, so i managed to fuck up my POP Inbox for the third time in a few weeks, means: every time i switch to another folder i now get an Error storing summary (or something like that). i've seen some reports about this in bugzilla, e.g. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=532049 . the last time i ran into this psankar told me to manually edit the mbox file and remove the offending email that misses the From line. this is not fun anymore when having a 600MB inbox file. a normal user is not willing to learn vim and emacs, me neither. I guess there should have been some recent commit which catalyzes this break-up-of-mbox. So, we need to just analyze and find out on what scenarios this is caused. Earlier, we used to get a folder-summary-mismatch and will not proceed at all. I have seen some heavy users being saved from that trouble, once we put in the code to auto-fix the .summary file. Broken mboxes are one scenario which we have not handled so far and it will be fixed. May be we will provide: evolution-fix-broken-mbox which will handle them. (/me remembers fejj's mail sent 2 days back) However, there are certain important things than fixing broken mboxes, like moving the summary to a db so that you don't have to hold every msginfo etc. which we are currently working on. So, operations like mbox recovery will have to wait for some time. We will try to identify why this has started happening frequently for you and will fix this soon, probably tracked in a bgo bug. Philip, Converting the local store from mbox to maildir will be a better option for the local accounts. It might create new problems and I will analyze about this and will come up with a fix if it does not cause any issue. And sqlite databases disk-blocks aren't spectacularly closely-written, when I last iogrinded (ground?) them. And mboxes/maildir are readable by all sane mail clients and hence makes sense to stick to some common standard than a single-filed-db. May be I will make a study of this after the db-based summary work is done. if nobody's working on a fix i should consider switching to thunderbird. We will fix this bug as it is critical and comes from a long time user, whom we want to keep happy :-) However, mail is a hog that tends to bite if it exceeds a limit, no matter which application we use and we will try to tame the beast. andre ___ Evolution-hackers mailing list Evolution-hackers@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers ___ Evolution-hackers mailing list Evolution-hackers@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
Re: [Evolution-hackers] Error storing summary.
Hello sorry to barge in. On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 15:34 +0530, Srinivasa Ragavan wrote: Sankar, Yet another solution for this problem will be to (re)write the local backend using the camel-offline-folder model, where every mail in the folder is stored in a distributed fashion, avoiding one huge mbox or huge files in a directory and also solves issues like unlink the file to delete a mail etc. Is there any plan to implement this, or maildir format ? I am currently approaching close to a gig, wrt, mbox file size which aint so good for backup :( -Srini On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 14:51 +0530, Sankar P wrote: On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 23:57 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: OK, so i managed to fuck up my POP Inbox for the third time in a few weeks, means: every time i switch to another folder i now get an Error storing summary (or something like that). i've seen some reports about this in bugzilla, e.g. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=532049 . the last time i ran into this psankar told me to manually edit the mbox file and remove the offending email that misses the From line. this is not fun anymore when having a 600MB inbox file. a normal user is not willing to learn vim and emacs, me neither. I guess there should have been some recent commit which catalyzes this break-up-of-mbox. So, we need to just analyze and find out on what scenarios this is caused. Earlier, we used to get a folder-summary-mismatch and will not proceed at all. I have seen some heavy users being saved from that trouble, once we put in the code to auto-fix the .summary file. Broken mboxes are one scenario which we have not handled so far and it will be fixed. May be we will provide: evolution-fix-broken-mbox which will handle them. (/me remembers fejj's mail sent 2 days back) However, there are certain important things than fixing broken mboxes, like moving the summary to a db so that you don't have to hold every msginfo etc. which we are currently working on. So, operations like mbox recovery will have to wait for some time. We will try to identify why this has started happening frequently for you and will fix this soon, probably tracked in a bgo bug. Philip, Converting the local store from mbox to maildir will be a better option for the local accounts. It might create new problems and I will analyze about this and will come up with a fix if it does not cause any issue. And sqlite databases disk-blocks aren't spectacularly closely-written, when I last iogrinded (ground?) them. And mboxes/maildir are readable by all sane mail clients and hence makes sense to stick to some common standard than a single-filed-db. May be I will make a study of this after the db-based summary work is done. if nobody's working on a fix i should consider switching to thunderbird. We will fix this bug as it is critical and comes from a long time user, whom we want to keep happy :-) However, mail is a hog that tends to bite if it exceeds a limit, no matter which application we use and we will try to tame the beast. andre ___ Evolution-hackers mailing list Evolution-hackers@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers -- Ritesh Khadgaray Ph: +919970164885 Desktop LinuX N Stuff, RHCE Software Maintenance Engineer, Pune, Red Hat ॐ मणि पद्मे हूँ Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway. ___ Evolution-hackers mailing list Evolution-hackers@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
Re: [Evolution-hackers] Error storing summary.
And I said before many times that 600MB files is pure insanity to begin with. Writing them takes a huge amount of time, disk-space (if you want to use an atomic rename) and the smallest corruption in the filesystem will destroy an entire mailbox (instead of just one file). Evolution should switch to using Maildir for its local folders. A filesystem managed by the kernel is a better kind of database than any kind of one-file based database Evolution developers are going to come up with, including their MBox code, unless they switch to SQLite or MySQL Embedded or something like that (but then still, that's pointless if you will only store file-like blobs anyway). For example wouldn't deleting (expunging) items require a rewrite of your 600MB file. Just one unlink() per expunged item. If tml finds problems using Maildir on FAT32, use in stead of ':' the character '!' in the filenames of items in tmp, cur and new. This has been tested with several E-mail clients and solutions already, indeed. I have voiced this a few times already by the way. On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 23:57 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: OK, so i managed to fuck up my POP Inbox for the third time in a few weeks, means: every time i switch to another folder i now get an Error storing summary (or something like that). i've seen some reports about this in bugzilla, e.g. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=532049 . the last time i ran into this psankar told me to manually edit the mbox file and remove the offending email that misses the From line. this is not fun anymore when having a 600MB inbox file. a normal user is not willing to learn vim and emacs, me neither. if nobody's working on a fix i should consider switching to thunderbird. andre -- Philip Van Hoof, freelance software developer home: me at pvanhoof dot be gnome: pvanhoof at gnome dot org http://pvanhoof.be/blog http://codeminded.be ___ Evolution-hackers mailing list Evolution-hackers@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
[Evolution-hackers] Error storing summary.
OK, so i managed to fuck up my POP Inbox for the third time in a few weeks, means: every time i switch to another folder i now get an Error storing summary (or something like that). i've seen some reports about this in bugzilla, e.g. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=532049 . the last time i ran into this psankar told me to manually edit the mbox file and remove the offending email that misses the From line. this is not fun anymore when having a 600MB inbox file. a normal user is not willing to learn vim and emacs, me neither. if nobody's working on a fix i should consider switching to thunderbird. andre -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | failed http://www.iomc.de/ | http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ Evolution-hackers mailing list Evolution-hackers@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
