[Evolution] DATA command Failed: Message Refused

2009-10-20 Thread Kojak T
Hi, Pre... Ubuntu 8.04, Latest updates installed Evolution: 2.22.3.1 Recently, I get errors sending e-mails: Error while performing operation. DATA command failed: Message refused I've changed my default mail server to GoDaddy. and it seems only to happen when using those accounts. I'm

Re: [Evolution] DATA command Failed: Message Refused

2009-10-20 Thread Kojak T
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 01:24 -0600, Kojak T wrote: Hi, Pre... Ubuntu 8.04, Latest updates installed Evolution: 2.22.3.1 Recently, I get errors sending e-mails: Error while performing operation. DATA command failed: Message refused I've changed my default mail server to

[Evolution] New makefile for building Evolution from GIT

2009-10-20 Thread Paul Smith
Hi all. Thanks to help from Patrick and a few others, I have a new version of my makefile to build Evolution from source, that works with the new GIT repositories. It currently builds the latest content of the gnome-2.28 GIT branch (I didn't try the MASTER branch since I think it's unstable due

Re: [Evolution] Automatic GPG encryption

2009-10-20 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 09:04 +0200, Milan Crha wrote On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 20:58 +0100, Paul Leyland wrote: How can I configure Evolution so that it *always* encrypts to the GPG key of the recipients of the mail I send? It's easy to see how to set it always to sign with GPG and/or SMIME and

Re: [Evolution] names change using LDAP

2009-10-20 Thread Lars Schade
Thanks Adam for your insightful answer - I begin to understand the problem. But the more I look into it the worse it gets. I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. One aspect of the problem arises - as you pointed out - from my wish to press org data in a framework (vcard) designed for

Re: [Evolution] Automatic GPG encryption

2009-10-20 Thread Milan Crha
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 06:55 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: ... I use GPG a lot, but it is actually more complicated than just always encrypt. What if no key is available, should it complain or just silently not encrypt? It complains to me when the recipient key is not found and asks me to

Re: [Evolution] names change using LDAP

2009-10-20 Thread Milan Crha
On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 17:33 +0200, Lars Schade wrote: ... Is there any reason not to use a schema exactly matching the evo GUI or, alternatively, sticking to a general vcard schema and adjusting the evo GUI accordingly? ... Hi, as far as I can tell, there is a schema file to support

Re: [Evolution] New makefile for building Evolution from GIT

2009-10-20 Thread C de-Avillez
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:10:25 -0400 Paul Smith p...@mad-scientist.net wrote: So, this is more of a debugging aid at this point than a true stable replacement. I'm looking for folks who are intrepid and maybe know a bit about building software and makefiles, who'd like to give it a try and

[Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the control-L function

2009-10-20 Thread Ben May
All this discussion of top versus bottom posting got me thinking. If there's ALREADY a function in evolution specifically for replying to mailing lists, couldn't we add configurations where you set: For regular reply or reply-to-all: {Use top posting / Use bottom posting} For reply-to-mailing

Re: [Evolution] evolution 2.28 starts automatically in off-line mode! howto change that?

2009-10-20 Thread Bernhard Kleine
Am Montag, den 19.10.2009, 18:37 -0430 schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan: On Mon, 2009-10-19 at 19:50 +0200, Bernhard Kleine wrote: You are correct. NM is running and does not show the e100 eth0 interface. Thanks for pointing me into the correct direction! Glad it worked. Just note that you

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the control-L function

2009-10-20 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 02:32:59 -0400, Ben May escribió: All this discussion of top versus bottom posting got me thinking. If there's ALREADY a function in evolution specifically for replying to mailing lists, couldn't we add configurations where you set: For regular reply or

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the control-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Derek McDaniel
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Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the control-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 02:57:10 -0400, Derek McDaniel escribió: Its much easier to top post to non-mailing list clients. You need to realize, most people are not computer savy and don't care about the netiquette as much as Linux users do. I wont bottom post to a client or

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the control-L function

2009-10-20 Thread Art Alexion
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 14:32 -0400, Ben May wrote: All this discussion of top versus bottom posting got me thinking. If there's ALREADY a function in evolution specifically for replying to mailing lists, couldn't we add configurations where you set: For regular reply or reply-to-all: {Use top

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Art Alexion
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 14:57 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: They get confused and it makes more work for me to try and explain it. 90% of all users I email use top post except for mailing lists. You can minimize that confusion with proper trimming. With Evo (to get this back on topic), trimming

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Art Alexion
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:10 -0400, Matthias Apitz wrote: All this would not happen if you use a realy good MUA (like 'mutt') and a good text editor (like 'vim'), as I do. Matthias, I am clueless as to why you monitor and participate in this list devoted to Evo if you use mutt and vim, and

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Derek McDaniel
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Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the control-L function

2009-10-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 14:32 -0400, Ben May wrote: All this discussion of top versus bottom posting got me thinking. If there's ALREADY a function in evolution specifically for replying to mailing lists, couldn't we add configurations where you set: For regular reply or reply-to-all: {Use top

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:33 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: Plus, I prefer not to trim because if I am on my BB, and I didn't read the first post, I can read the middle and understand the gist of everything. Am I the only one getting that's getting a *really* bad feeling about the long-term

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Derek McDaniel
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:33 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: Plus, I prefer not to trim because if I am on my BB, and I didn't read the first post, I can read the middle and understand the gist of everything. Am I the only one getting that's getting a *really* bad feeling about the long-term

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 03:28:53 -0400, Art Alexion escribió: On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:10 -0400, Matthias Apitz wrote: All this would not happen if you use a realy good MUA (like 'mutt') and a good text editor (like 'vim'), as I do. Matthias, I am clueless as to why you

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the control-L function

2009-10-20 Thread Paul Smith
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:02 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: ... They responded that that wasn't really the idea, since the poster is meant to edit the quote (removing irrelevant material and inserting comments) and that's easier to do from the top down. Nevertheless they did agree to include

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the control-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 21:10 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 02:57:10 -0400, Derek McDaniel escribió: Its much easier to top post to non-mailing list clients. You need to realize, most people are not computer savy and don't care about the netiquette as

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Reid Thompson
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 21:43 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: This, using Evo, is required because in business I have to use an Exchange server with IMAP and SMTP disabled. Ofc, Evo behaves better than OutLook and I know that I can mark text before hitting reply (but only one part of the old text).

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Ben May
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:41 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:33 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: Plus, I prefer not to trim because if I am on my BB, and I didn't read the first post, I can read the middle and understand the gist of everything. Am I the only one

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Derek McDaniel
The whole point of my suggestion is that I like choice, as do a lot of others. We'll NEVER get the bottom-posters to agree that anything other than bottom-posting is acceptable, and you'll NEVER get people who aren't aware of the argument or who are agnostic to its outcome to follow all the

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the control-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Chris G
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 02:57:10PM -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 02:32:59 -0400, Ben May escribió: All this discussion of top versus bottom posting got me thinking. If there's ALREADY a function in evolution specifically for replying to mailing

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread bgzgnome
Matthias Apitz wrote: Only one example: with .,$dCR i.e. with 5 key strokes I can remove all from the actual line until the end of the text. An with one key 'u' I get it back. I love vim! Just wanted to make sure I clarified that first. And, I didn't know about .,$dCR - very cool. I've

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the control-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread bg
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 12:46, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 21:10 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 02:57:10 -0400, Derek McDaniel escribió: Its much easier to top post to non-mailing list clients. bg: That is an astonishing piece

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting

2009-10-20 Thread bg
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 12:32, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I took the view that Evo encourages top-posting because it places the cursor at the top of the reply. bg: Only for the irremediably clueless and rude, or those who haven't had the reason pointed out to them. PO: They responded that

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Art Alexion
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 16:07 -0400, bgzgn...@sf.porterfield.net wrote: delete to end is hold Shift and Ctrl then press and release End then press Del. Four keys vs 5. I can do it it with 3 -- 2, if you count combos as 1. Shift+End,Del Undo it, Ctrl+z. Moreover, it works like every other text

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Art Alexion
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:43 -0400, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 03:28:53 -0400, Art Alexion escribió: On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:10 -0400, Matthias Apitz wrote: All this would not happen if you use a realy good MUA (like 'mutt') and a good text editor

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 04:20:51 -0400, Art Alexion escribió: I can do it it with 3 -- 2, if you count combos as 1. Shift+End,Del Undo it, Ctrl+z. Moreover, it works like every other text editor I use so I don't need the additional step of looking up an arcane key combo.

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Sean
Reid Thompson wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 16:07 -0400, bgzgn...@sf.porterfield.net wrote: Matthias Apitz wrote: try dG Wow, that's even better! Totally OT now, but I love vim more and more. :) -- Sean ___ Evolution-list mailing list

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 04:23:28 -0400, Art Alexion escribió: This, using Evo, is required because in business I have to use an Exchange server with IMAP and SMTP disabled. Matthais, Weren't you the one chastising me for using a work-mandated Blackberry? Don't know,

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Art Alexion
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:35 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:33 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: Plus, I prefer not to trim because if I am on my BB, and I didn't read the first post, I can read the middle and understand the gist of everything. Am I the only one

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread George Reeke
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 22:34 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 04:23:28 -0400, Art Alexion escribió: This, using Evo, is required because in business I have to use an Exchange server with IMAP and SMTP disabled. Matthais, Weren't you the one

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 04:35:56 -0400, Art Alexion escribió: I thought the OpenMoko/Neo phones were merely theoretical, because, until someone on this list mentioned one, I have never heard of an actual sighting. I use an Openmoko FR as my daily and only mobile phone.

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the control-L function

2009-10-20 Thread Art Alexion
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:47 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: Personally my favorite Evo-only feature (at least I've not seen other mail clients who use it) is how if you select a part of the message then reply, then only that part is quoted in your reply. If you get used to this feature, then the

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting

2009-10-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 13:08 -0700, bg wrote: Nevertheless they did agree to include a Preference option to place the cursor at the bottom. bg: Huge error in judgment, if you ask me, from a human factors engineering viewpoint - guaranteed to encourage the lazy and clueless to abandon

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the control-L function

2009-10-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:47 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: Personally my favorite Evo-only feature (at least I've not seen other mail clients who use it) is how if you select a part of the message then reply, then only that part is quoted in your reply. I also love this, but it's not unique to Evo.

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the control-L function

2009-10-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 16:50 -0400, Art Alexion wrote: Ironically, thinking back 15-18 years ago, it was the aol users we hated because their mailer didn't quote anything and it was hard to gauge context. You would get an email that just said, yes from someone you hadn't recently asked a

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and thecontrol-Lfunction

2009-10-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:51 -0400, Reid Thompson wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 21:43 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: This, using Evo, is required because in business I have to use an Exchange server with IMAP and SMTP disabled. Ofc, Evo behaves better than OutLook and I know that I can mark