Re: [Evolution] Evolution release and major regressions, a longtime user's thoughts

2009-04-09 Thread Art Alexion
: [Evolution] Evolution release and major regressions,a longtime user's thoughts Art, one clarification: On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 17:15 -0400, Art Alexion wrote: And that is precisely the problem. N+1 is appropriate for Debian Experimental, but not for Debian Stable. Ubuntu doesn't have those

[Evolution] Evolution release and major regressions, a longtime user's thoughts

2009-04-08 Thread Andrew Montalenti
I recently upgraded from Ubuntu Hardy to Ubuntu Intrepid. Most of my GNOME software worked well upon upgrade, there were even some improvements. However, a major piece of GNOME software that I use every single day and that is important to both my personal life and business stopped functioning

Re: [Evolution] Evolution release and major regressions, a longtime user's thoughts

2009-04-08 Thread Art Alexion
While I am as frustrated as you with some of the bugs and regressions that you mention, I don't think it is constructive, or even in your self interest, to take such a scolding and tattling tone with people, many of whom volunteer, to provide you with software for free. On Wed, 2009-04-08 at

Re: [Evolution] Evolution release and major regressions, a longtime user's thoughts

2009-04-08 Thread Alpár Jüttner
I deeply agree every single character of this post. In addition, there should also be some fundamental design problem with the new backend. As far as I understand, its goal was to speed up certain operations, but what I can see is just the opposite. Beyond that it is very unstable and unreliable

Re: [Evolution] Evolution release and major regressions, a longtime user's thoughts

2009-04-08 Thread Andrew Montalenti
Art, [reply below] On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 12:35 -0400, Art Alexion wrote: While I am as frustrated as you with some of the bugs and regressions that you mention, I don't think it is constructive, or even in your self interest, to take such a scolding and tattling tone with people, many of

Re: [Evolution] Evolution release and major regressions, a longtime user's thoughts

2009-04-08 Thread Art Alexion
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 12:55 -0400, Andrew Montalenti wrote: Art, [reply below] On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 12:35 -0400, Art Alexion wrote: While I am as frustrated as you with some of the bugs and regressions that you mention, I don't think it is constructive, or even in your self

Re: [Evolution] Evolution release and major regressions, a longtime user's thoughts

2009-04-08 Thread Andrew Montalenti
Art, On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 13:11 -0400, Art Alexion wrote: And while I agree that the developers should take stock of whether they envision themselves as working on a widely deployed production application, and release accordingly, I think much of the blame may like with the Ubuntu packagers,

Re: [Evolution] Evolution release and major regressions, a longtime user's thoughts

2009-04-08 Thread Art Alexion
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 13:23 -0400, Andrew Montalenti wrote: Though I agree that the Ubuntu maintainers probably should have done more testing of Evolution in order to declare it a show-stopper, the problem is that Ubuntu considers the GNOME stable release to be a baseline. Ubuntu rarely

Re: [Evolution] Evolution release and major regressions, a longtime user's thoughts

2009-04-08 Thread Andrew Montalenti
Art, one clarification: On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 17:15 -0400, Art Alexion wrote: And that is precisely the problem. N+1 is appropriate for Debian Experimental, but not for Debian Stable. Ubuntu doesn't have those designations, and when a new version of the distro is released, it is released