Re: [Evolution] Full history in reply
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 05:17:36 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:25:10 +1000, Ian wrote: >>Which mail clients behave in the manner that you describe. > >Apart from Evolution the graphical user interface mailers doing this by >default are at least Claws-Mail and Sylpheed. IIRC Kmail does it also. >Most likely almost all, if not all BSD and Linux text-based user >interface mailers do. Correction: I was referring to the cursor position below the quoted message/s. Actually I've never heard of any mailer including the text of a complete thread when replying. Could you name some? Mailers just include the text of the mail you are replying to, some with, other without signature. Evolution includes the original message, too. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Full history in reply
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:25:10 +1000, Ian wrote: >Which mail clients behave in the manner that you describe. Apart from Evolution the graphical user interface mailers doing this by default are at least Claws-Mail and Sylpheed. IIRC Kmail does it also. Most likely almost all, if not all BSD and Linux text-based user interface mailers do. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution Macro Plugin
On 2020-06-10 at 11:57 +0200, Stephane Passignat wrote: > Hi, > > > sometime ago I posted a message to prevent sending emails to recipient > from an account. eg: don't send professional email from personal > account. > I tried changing the sender account feature in the settings but I > can't make it work and if I understand well it will change the sender > account "silently". I would prefer having a popup requesting > confirmation and allowing to change the account. > > > I think I'm reaching the end of this approach. I looked at macro > script but I haven't found. Are there any macro script I havent > found ? Which kind of account are you using? You could configure evolution to "send by sendmail" but then point it to a wrapper that performs such checks and abort if not met (in which case you would go back to the composer and change the sending address). However, that requires you to convert a "sendmail sending" into your outgoing mail, so it won't work for a EWS account, you might have issues setting up OAUTH in that sendmail interface, etc. Best regards ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Full history in reply
On Thu, 2020-06-11 at 09:25 +1000, Ian wrote: > By convention I would expect that all of the messages are included in > the reply. Most mail clients do this, why not evolution > > Which mail clients behave in the manner that you describe. I really think you have got terminology mixed up here. When you reply in evolution it will include the message you are replying to - either quoted as I have done here, or inline as you have done (aka "Outlook style") depending on your preferences. I would normally remove the irrelevant parts of the message I'm replying to, but I've left them in here to illustrate the point. That message you are replying to may, or may not, have, as part of the text, a copy of the messages that each person replied to that *they* have included. It is still *ONE* message (but with lots of other bits of text included) - as more and more people reply, each message gets bigger and bigger. What no client ever does is to include all the other mail messages in a thread. That would mean in this thread it would join together six messages even though they are not part of the message I'm replying to - I have threads of hundreds of messages and I really don't want all those messages being added every time I reply to the thread. You see some of us are of the opinion that there is no need to include the whole of an email underneath what your reply. The sensible thing is to intersperse your replies in the relevant parts of the email you are quoting (note "quoting", not "including") so that there is a conversation - you can have multiple levels of quoting so it is clear which message/person you are replying to; and you trim the message so that you don't include irrelevant parts. There is no need for every single message to have all the quoted/included messages because you already have all the messages in your Inbox and they should be properly threaded so that you can find the email history without scrolling through thousands of lines of included text. Some of us are also of the opinion that replying above a message is not a logical thing to do - you put replies underneath questions, not above and it's helpful to trim messages so you only include relevant bits. If you just reply above the message you have to do linguistic gymnastics to try and describe what you are talking about: "in paragraph 3 of the third message below X said in reply to the 5th message from Y". Just quote the necessary bits, it's easier. BTW, this including the whole email and just replying above it is called "Top Posting". It is frowned-on on many technical mailing lists like this, as is posting in HTML. Please don't do it. P. > > -Original Message- > From: Andre Klapper > To: evolution-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Full history in reply > Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 08:57:36 +0200 > > On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 06:41 +, jiri.one via evolution-list wrote: > > when I reply to email, in the text of email history is just last > email from sender, but not the whole thread / full history of our > conversation. Is it possible to set this somewhere or I will need to > make feature request? > > When replying to a single message, why would you expect other messages > from that thread to be included? It's up to both you and the recipients > which parts of previous older messages are quoted in a newer message. > If you need to forward older messages in a thread, use "Forward". > > For rendering all messages in a thread one after another (without any > "replying") see https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/issues/401 > > Cheers, > andre > -- > Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net > https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ > > > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list > > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] CSV file will not import.
Hi, I'm not an expert by any means, but I use a similar technique weekly for importing tasks into Evolution. Weekly editing done in LibreOffice Calc, saved as CSV. I noticed that tasks import with .ics files so wrote a python script to convert for my particular application. The imports have been working fine until the last one on Sat. 6/6. In attempting to use the import menu item and dialog it failed. When I right-clicked the file in nautilus to open with Evolution, all works beautifully again! Manjaro 20.0.3 - Evolution 3.36.3 Allen -- On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 13:07 -0400, johneddie.kerr--- via evolution-list wrote: > Hello everyone, > I am using CSV because I wanted to place my records in a spreadsheet > to > clean them up. > > I exported the Contacts to CSV file and then opened the file up in > LibreOffice Calc and after editing I saved it in CSV. I wonder now > if there is something silly happening with the way LibreOffice Calc > saves my CSV file. > > Thank you for your quick response Andre. > John > > On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 18:08 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: > > On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 11:33 -0400, John Kerr via evolution-list > > wrote: > > > I am using Evolution 3.36.2-0ubuntu1 > > > I exported my Contacts into a CSV file, did some editing and then > > > tried to import the file into a new address book. The information > > > from the file did not load properly. All I got was a series of > > > small > > > rectangles with no information in them. > > > I also tried it with and without the headers, and a small file of > > > three records. > > > Any ideas? > > > > Hard to say as CSV is one of the most broken file "formats" ever. > > Is there a reason why not to use a sane format such as vcard/vcf? > > > > Which character encoding does your CSV file have? > > Which line ending style does your CSV file use? > > > > Cheers, > > andre > > -- > > Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net > > https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ > > > > > > ___ > > evolution-list mailing list > > evolution-list@gnome.org > > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list > > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] CSV file will not import.
Hello everyone, I am using CSV because I wanted to place my records in a spreadsheet to clean them up. I exported the Contacts to CSV file and then opened the file up in LibreOffice Calc and after editing I saved it in CSV. I wonder now if there is something silly happening with the way LibreOffice Calc saves my CSV file. Thank you for your quick response Andre. John On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 18:08 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: > On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 11:33 -0400, John Kerr via evolution-list > wrote: > > I am using Evolution 3.36.2-0ubuntu1 > > I exported my Contacts into a CSV file, did some editing and then > > tried to import the file into a new address book. The information > > from the file did not load properly. All I got was a series of > > small > > rectangles with no information in them. > > I also tried it with and without the headers, and a small file of > > three records. > > Any ideas? > > Hard to say as CSV is one of the most broken file "formats" ever. > Is there a reason why not to use a sane format such as vcard/vcf? > > Which character encoding does your CSV file have? > Which line ending style does your CSV file use? > > Cheers, > andre > -- > Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net > https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ > > > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] CSV file will not import.
On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 11:33 -0400, John Kerr via evolution-list wrote: > I am using Evolution 3.36.2-0ubuntu1 > I exported my Contacts into a CSV file, did some editing and then > tried to import the file into a new address book. The information > from the file did not load properly. All I got was a series of small > rectangles with no information in them. > I also tried it with and without the headers, and a small file of > three records. > Any ideas? Hard to say as CSV is one of the most broken file "formats" ever. Is there a reason why not to use a sane format such as vcard/vcf? Which character encoding does your CSV file have? Which line ending style does your CSV file use? Cheers, andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] CSV file will not import.
Hello everyone I am using Evolution 3.36.2-0ubuntu1 I exported my Contacts into a CSV file, did some editing and then tried to import the file into a new address book. The information from the file did not load properly. All I got was a series of small rectangles with no information in them. I also tried it with and without the headers, and a small file of three records. Any ideas? Thanks John Kerr Guelph, Ontario Canada. -- "Every time I see an adult on a bicycle I no longer despair for the human race." -- H.G. Wells ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Full history in reply
On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 11:21 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > As far as I know there is no way to turn off this behaviour in the > user interface, but I've never really looked very hard. Hi, that's correct, there is nothing in the Preferences of Evolution to change the behaviour. There's a GSettings (hidden) option though: $ gsettings set org.gnome.evolution.mail composer-reply-keep-signature true which can be used. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] search by content
On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 12:04 +0200, Wiethoff, Helge via evolution-list wrote: > Its evolution-ews (online) and i set "Synchronize remote mail locally > in all folders". Hi, it's weird you noticed it only now. It's there for quite some time (since 3.24.0). There is one change in the searching made for 3.36.3 [1], which has some impact on the search performance, but I'd not expect it to influence this particular search. Just to make things clear, how precisely do you search in the folder, please? Being it with the panel above the message list or otherwise, and what exact settings you use there, please? Bye, Milan [1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/issues/821 with one follow-up bug: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution-data-server/-/issues/222 ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Full history in reply
> when I reply to email, in the text of email history is just last > email from sender, but not the whole thread / full history of our > conversation. Is it possible to set this somewhere or I will need to > make feature request? > I think you may be confusing people with your terminology. When you say 'thread' the usual interpretation of that is every single message related to the message you are replying to - not the contents of the one email, but every single relate email message. This is not something that any mail program does and I hope is never ever implemented. If you mean the whole contents of the single email and all the quoted bits and the long list of irrelevant messages that no one can be bothered to trim, then yes, Evolution does quote all those as well by default. What you are probably seeing is the *proper* use of signature separators. Evolution, like most other properly behaving MUAs, does not quote anything below the signature separator: why do you *need* to quote someone else's signature in your reply? The signature separator is '-- ' on a line of its own. However if some program decides to put the signature, with signature separator, above the rest of the in-line quoted material, then Evolution will not include the quoted material. As far as I know there is no way to turn off this behaviour in the user interface, but I've never really looked very hard. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution Macro Plugin
On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 11:57 +0200, Stephane Passignat via evolution- list wrote: > I think I'm reaching the end of this approach. I looked at macro > script but I haven't found. Are there any macro script I havent found > ? Hi, I'm not sure what you call "macro script" or "macro plugin", but maybe it's not that important. > I looked at plugins code but I havent programmed in C for decades. > Any ides on how and what to do ? The main programming language in Evolution is C. There can be made GObject bindings (then it can be used by other languages like python and all those, which understand GObject introspection), but it's generated for evolution-data-serer only, not for Evolution. You may want to engage someone knowing C, and especially glib, because it's used heavily there. Such person could start with the example module [1] and change it to its like-ings. He/she would be mostly interested in the m-msg-composer-extension.c part (can delete (almost) all the rest), and it can change it to connect to the "presend" action of the EMsgComposer, where can be implemented the question about asking whether the sender is correctly set (the signal handler returns whether the message can be send). It's different from your suggested "ask on composer open", but I think it is not a problem, and, more importantly, it can use already implemented approach (the "presend" signal). Bye, Milan [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Extensions#Example_Module ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] search by content
Hi Milan, thanks for your quick response! Am Mittwoch, den 10.06.2020, 10:53 +0200 schrieb Milan Crha via evolution- list: > verify that the 'in' part is 'Current Folder'. It's set like that. > Otherwise things depend on various aspects, like what account type this > is about, whether you are online or offline I think this was the right hint: If I set the connection to "offline" in the lower left corner, the search works again. Its evolution-ews (online) and i set "Synchronize remote mail locally in all folders". Regards Helge ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Evolution Macro Plugin
Hi, sometime ago I posted a message to prevent sending emails to recipient from an account. eg: don't send professional email from personal account. I tried changing the sender account feature in the settings but I can't make it work and if I understand well it will change the sender account "silently". I would prefer having a popup requesting confirmation and allowing to change the account. I think I'm reaching the end of this approach. I looked at macro script but I haven't found. Are there any macro script I havent found ? I looked at plugins code but I havent programmed in C for decades. Any ides on how and what to do ? thanks stephane ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Full history in reply
On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 06:41 +, jiri.one via evolution-list wrote: > Hi, > > when I reply to email, in the text of email history is just last email from > sender, but not the whole thread / full history of our conversation. Is it > possible to set this somewhere or I will need to make feature request? There is no email client I am aware of that supports this. Too many people are in the habit of quoting the entire message when they reply, and if everyone does this then the result is a complete trace of the conversation, but that is a consequence of a) Microsoft's brain-dead decision to promote top-posting in Outlook, contrary to all previous practice, which was then slavishly followed by other software including Gmail, and b) users being either too lazy or too incompetent to trim the material they quote. This practice is not welcome on mailing lists, which already have the entire thread archived anyway, so we try to encourage people not to top-post and to trim their quotes to the relevant part of the message (very easy to do in Evolution). poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] search by content
On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 10:17 +0200, Wiethoff, Helge via evolution-list wrote: > since a few days the search does not work for me like it used to: > Before (tm) I could search all mail relatively quickly (~20.000 > Mails) with "search by content". Now it remains with "Generating > message list". Hi, I hope it won't sound odd, but let's start with something simple: when you look at the top, above the message list, it says: Show: [ All Messages ] Search: [ your term ] in [ Current Folder ] verify that the 'in' part is 'Current Folder'. All the other options there can mean constructing a search folder and fill it with other folders, which can, in turn, mean a lot of work. Definitely more than if searching in the current folder only. Otherwise things depend on various aspects, like what account type this is about, whether you are online or offline (because some accounts can search in message body by asking the server for the response), and so on. You can also try to run evolution from a terminal, to see whether it claims any issue there. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] search by content
Hi, since a few days the search does not work for me like it used to: Before (tm) I could search all mail relatively quickly (~20.000 Mails) with "search by content". Now it remains with "Generating message list". Two things happened during this period that are not commonplace for me and therefore might have something to do with it? 1.) I updated the package a few days ago to: evolution-3.36.3-1.fc32.x86_64 2.) I received many very long text mails a few days ago (up to 30 MB logfile text in the mail body). I have deleted them but maybe it is because of the structure of the cache/index/db? and therefore may have something to do with it? I read that the folders.db in ~/cache/evolution/mail/xxx/ might have something to do with it? Thanks Helge ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem
Hi, On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 09:19 +0200, pino via evolution-list wrote: > Salve, avrei un problema con i filtri a volte non funzionano e non > riesco ad aggiungere altre condizioni, non viene riportato nessun > errore. > > Hi, I would have a problem with the filters sometimes they don't work > and I can't add other conditions, no error is reported. > > Versione Evolution 3.34.1-2 https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-filters-not-working.html Cheers, andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Problem
Salve, avrei un problema con i filtri a volte non funzionano e non riesco ad aggiungere altre condizioni, non viene riportato nessun errore. Hi, I would have a problem with the filters sometimes they don't work and I can't add other conditions, no error is reported. Versione Evolution 3.34.1-2 Ubuntu x86_64 5.3.0-55-generic Bombelli Giuseppe ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Full history in reply
On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 06:41 +, jiri.one via evolution-list wrote: > when I reply to email, in the text of email history is just last > email from sender, but not the whole thread / full history of our > conversation. Is it possible to set this somewhere or I will need to > make feature request? When replying to a single message, why would you expect other messages from that thread to be included? It's up to both you and the recipients which parts of previous older messages are quoted in a newer message. If you need to forward older messages in a thread, use "Forward". For rendering all messages in a thread one after another (without any "replying") see https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/issues/401 Cheers, andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Full history in reply
Hi, when I reply to email, in the text of email history is just last email from sender, but not the whole thread / full history of our conversation. Is it possible to set this somewhere or I will need to make feature request? Thanks for your answer. Jiri Evolution 3.36.3 (Arch Linux)___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution and the X-NC-CalDAV-Webcal-Caching header
On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 07:52 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > On Tue, 2020-06-09 at 21:26 +0200, Robin Lee via evolution-list > wrote: > > Just a short follow-up. Today I updated to Gnome 3.36.2 and > > Nextcloud > > 18.0.6 and after that I thought I would test this again and > > magically > > it just worked. I defined a new collection account and everything > > just showed up. Although I don't know at which end the problem was. > > Hi, > thanks for the followup. It's hard to guess which exact change made > it > work, because Nextcloud 18.0.5 had a lot of changes and few more had > been added in 18.0.6 as well [1], but as you had Evolution 3.36.2 > already (which may mean also evolution-data-server 3.36.2), then I > suppose the change was on the Nextcloud side. Ah sorry, what I should have written was that on the client side, on my Fedora 32 desktop the following packages were updated yesterday evolution-data-server-langpacks-3.36.3-1.fc32 evolution-data-server-3.36.3-1.fc32 evolution-langpacks-3.36.3-1.fc32 evolution-3.36.3-1.fc32 evolution-ews-langpacks-3.36.3-1.fc32 evolution-ews-3.36.3-1.fc32 Any way, thanks for all the help Robin ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
