Re: [Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?

[Mike]

I will but I really think this is a matter of evolution messing up on the 
import of a very large backup file from another computer.
It's a guess, but one informed by forty-five years in IT and five years retired 
and still dealing with IT. The original VM evolution imported the PSTs, not an 
evolution backup.
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Adam Hardy via evolution-list wrote:
Probably a long shot since I couldn't find anything by searching the net, but 
the gnome evolution plugins page hasn't been updated since 2010 so I figured 
I'd ask.
Does an evolution plugin exist that will tell me the word count in a text 
selection in an email?
Thanks
Adam
Probably a long shot since I couldn't find anything by searching the net, but 
the gnome evolution plugins page hasn't been updated since 2010 so I figured 
I'd ask.
Does an evolution plugin exist that will tell me the word count in a text 
selection in an email?
Thanks
Adam
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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Mike]

Yes the VM is, and was, off.
And anyway, both are set to leave mail on the server for six days during this 
rollout of the new platform. So it should not make a difference. :-) I have a 
mail app running on my Adroid Cell phone and it loaded mail right along with MS 
Outlook for many years without an issue. So I fail to see how that would or 
should matter.
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Luigi Cantoni via evolution-list wrote:
Hi Mike,
I have no direct idea about your problem other then a suggestion.
Make sure your VM is OFF. Otherwise it might be that the VM is grabbing the 
mail before your "live" one and then its not available to the live one to down 
load.
I might be 100% off track but its just a simple idea, easy to test and if I am 
correct very easy for you to solve (no reinstall etc).
--
Thanks Luigi Cantoni
-Original Message-
From: Mike mailto:mike%20%3cm...@netwright.net%3e> >
To: evolution-list@gnome.org 
Subject: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2022 13:23:37 +
Mailer: Desktop
This is my first post here and it is a long one.
I did look at the index of previous posts but there is no way to search through 
all of them, so I truly do apologize in advance... but maybe, just maybe what I 
did has pushed out a bug you didn't know about before. This is complicated. I 
am sorry, but if you don't have all of the info, you will accuse me, 
potentially of hiding the relevant facts:
Until seven days ago, and for thirty years prior to that, I was a user of 
Microsoft Office Outlook. (That's the client on the desktop, not the online 
service.) I had thirty years of business and personal correspondence in it. A 
lot of it in many, many folders and nested folders.) It is what kept me on 
Windows on this last PC when everything else I had was running Debian Linux.
But then I saw that, maybe, I could actually import the PSTs into this release 
of Evolution. I had tried in the past and it had failed miserably. I tried anew 
and it worked on a test VM machine. It was all good and so I made the leap, 
reformatting the Windows 10 computer and put Debian 11.5 on it.
I exported the data set from the VM and imported it into the physical Debian 
platform the VM was now running on. The gz package was 3.2GiB.
I still have the VM and can run it, though I don't want to use it as a work 
platform.
On the new platform, with the data imported (and all the data is there) only a 
day after I imported it, it no longer displayed any new mail.
It says there is new mail via a notification popup, but there is nothing in the 
inbox or anywhere else.
-- The versions of Evolution on the VM and the new install are the same.
-- Both are running on Debian 11.5.
-- On the VM Evolution still works.
If I sent mail, it did get sent, but it also didn't appear in the sent folder 
or anywhere else.
Every once and a while I got a UID error message about a problem, but it wasn't 
all the time.
I used apt to remove the package. I deleted the folders, and then deleted the 
trash, rebooting the PC immediately after that.
I ran the VM version for another day, (and it works to this moment, if I want 
to use the VM) and then made a fresh export from the VM version, sFTPing it to 
the physical machine. But the same problem existed on the re-installed version.
I was on KDE Plasma, so I tried the same procedure all over again installing it 
under Gnome-X. No difference.
The only difference between the VM and this platform is that one has a cinnamon 
desktop.
I really wanted Evolution to work. It is now the repository for all I have done 
in these last thirty years, but unless there is a way to fix what ails this 
program, while it allowed me to make the move off Windows, it is now only a 
vault for old emails and that is not good.
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Brgy Mabuhay, General Santos City, 9500 Philippines
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Cell: +63 (917) 311-0674 (Globe: Voice and Text)
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?

[Mike]

I will give it a try, but the issue may well be how the import function on 
Evolution works with the file and folder format.
Clearly, that's a guess, but it is one informed by forty years working in IT 
and five years retired and still working with it on a personal level.
══
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Brgy Mabuhay, General Santos City, 9500 Philippines
See MAP 
Cell: +63 (917) 311-0674 (Globe: Voice and Text)
Cell: +63 (991) 650-7948 (Dito: Voice and Text)
LandLine: " style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;">+63 
(083) 887-2154  (Voice Only)
Adam Hardy via evolution-list wrote:
Probably a long shot since I couldn't find anything by searching the net, but 
the gnome evolution plugins page hasn't been updated since 2010 so I figured 
I'd ask.
Does an evolution plugin exist that will tell me the word count in a text 
selection in an email?
Thanks
Adam
Probably a long shot since I couldn't find anything by searching the net, but 
the gnome evolution plugins page hasn't been updated since 2010 so I figured 
I'd ask.
Does an evolution plugin exist that will tell me the word count in a text 
selection in an email?
Thanks
Adam
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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Luigi Cantoni via evolution-list]

Hi Mike,
I have no direct idea about your problem other then a suggestion.
Make sure your VM is OFF. Otherwise it might be that the VM is grabbing
the mail before your "live" one and then its not available to the live
one to down load.
I might be 100% off track but its just a simple idea, easy to test and
if I am correct very easy for you to solve (no reinstall etc).

-- 
Thanks Luigi Cantoni

-Original Message-
From: Mike 
To: evolution-list@gnome.org
Subject: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is
designed to go?
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2022 13:23:37 +
Mailer: Desktop

This is my first post here and it is a long one.

I did look at the index of previous posts but there is no way to search
through all of them, so I truly do apologize in advance... but maybe,
just maybe what I did has pushed out a bug you didn't know about
before. This is complicated. I am sorry, but if you don't have all of
the info, you will accuse me, potentially of hiding the relevant facts:

Until seven days ago, and for thirty years prior to that, I was a user
of Microsoft Office Outlook. (That's the client on the desktop, not the
online service.) I had thirty years of business and personal
correspondence in it. A lot of it in many, many folders and nested
folders.) It is what kept me on Windows on this last PC when everything
else I had was running Debian Linux. 

But then I saw that, maybe, I could actually import the PSTs into this
release of Evolution.  I had tried in the past and it had failed
miserably. I tried anew and it worked on a test VM machine. It was all
good and so I made the leap, reformatting the Windows 10 computer and
put Debian 11.5 on it. 

I exported the data set from the VM and imported it into the physical
Debian platform the VM was now running on. The gz package was 3.2GiB. 

I still have the VM and can run it, though I don't want to use it as a
work platform. 

On the new platform, with the data imported (and all the data is there)
only a day after I imported it, it no longer displayed any new mail.

It says there is new mail via a notification popup, but there is
nothing in the inbox or anywhere else.

-- The versions of Evolution on the VM and the new install are the
same. 
-- Both are running on Debian 11.5. 
-- On the VM Evolution still works. 
If I sent mail, it did get sent, but it also didn't appear in the sent
folder or anywhere else. 

Every once and a while I got a UID error message about a problem, but
it wasn't all the time. 

I used apt to remove the package. I deleted the folders, and then
deleted the trash, rebooting the PC immediately after that. 

I ran the VM version for another day, (and it works to this moment, if
I want to use the VM) and then made a fresh export from the VM version,
sFTPing it to the physical machine. But the same problem existed on the
re-installed version. 

I was on KDE Plasma, so I tried the same procedure all over again
installing it under Gnome-X. No difference. 

The only difference between the VM and this platform is that one has a
cinnamon desktop. 

I really wanted Evolution to work. It is now the repository for all I
have done in these last thirty years, but unless there is a way to fix
what ails this program, while it allowed me to make the move off
Windows, it is now only a vault for old emails and that is not good.

> > ══
> > Ellis Michael "Mike" Lieberman | Blog
> >       Purok 13, Morales Subd.
> >       Brgy Mabuhay, General Santos City, 9500 Philippines
> >         See MAP
> > Cell: +63 (917) 311-0674 (Globe: Voice and Text) 
> > Cell: +63 (991) 650-7948 (Dito: Voice and Text)
> > LandLine:  +63 (083) 887-2154 (Voice Only)
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Re: [Evolution] Weird menu bar above menu bar

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 15:57 -0500, Tim McConnell wrote:
> I hope it does (work forever), the new "look" is horrid if your
> visually impaired (I'm blind in one eye) and changing that setting to
> 'false' instead of 'true' makes it more usable to me.

Hi,

the future has begun, welcome to dystopia. Take a look at gtk4 apps.
Evolution can't stay with gtk3 forever. It's also horrid if you're not
visually impaired, so a good step towards more equality.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [Evolution] Weird menu bar above menu bar

[Tim McConnell via evolution-list]

On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 10:21 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> 
> Doesn't anyone read archives or past posts anymore. 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 10:07 +, Krauß, Peter (SCC) via evolution-
> list wrote:
> > Hello folks,
> > 
> > since my last system update I have a weird menu bar above the
> > actual
> > menu bar (actual menu bar is the one, that has the drop down menus
> > "File", "Edit", "View" etc.; the weird menu bar is buttons for
> > "Compose
> > " and "Send & Receive" and has the window title in the middle).
> > I attached a screenshot about it.
> > 
> > It's a bit annoying, it uses quite a lot of screen space and having
> > those buttons in an extra row seems redundant. I wanted them back
> > in
> > the tool bar.
> > 
> > So, is there any way to get this back to how it was? Is it related
> > to
> > Evolution? Or maybe to gtk?
> > 
> 
> To save you the bother of looking ...
> 
> From a few days ago:
> 
>  
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-November/msg1.
> html
> 
> or a bit further back:
> 
>  
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/msg00098.h
> tml
> 
>  
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-September/msg00023
> .html
> 
> It's called Client Side Decoration. Is part of Gnome going forward
> and
> has been used on other apps for a long time.  It just seems to be
> more
> distuptive/divisive on Evolution. Discussion here:
> 
>  https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/issues/2039
> 
> and you can get the old interface back with:
> 
>    gsettings set org.gnome.evolution.shell use-header-bar false
> 
> and restart Evolution.
> 
> But get used to it, I suspect that setting won't work forever.
> 
> P.
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"But get used to it, I suspect that setting won't work forever."
I hope it does (work forever), the new "look" is horrid if your
visually impaired (I'm blind in one eye) and changing that setting to
'false' instead of 'true' makes it more usable to me. 

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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Tim McConnell via evolution-list]

On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 14:58 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
wrote:
> >  Forwarded Message 
> > From:    Mike
> > To:  Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
> > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is
> >  designed to go?
> > Date:    04/11/22 14:42:15
> > 
> > It is from the Debian maintainer as I install with: sudo apt-get
> > install evolution
> > 
> > Unless a package can't be installed that way I always use the
> > officlal
> > maintainer version. This version is 3.38.3-1 
> > 
> > ══
> > Ellis Michael "Mike" Lieberman [snip]
> > 
> > Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote:
> > 
> > [snip]
> 
> Hi,
> 
> please, next time reply to the list and add your reply below a
> trimmed
> quote. I suspect it's ok to forward this off-list mail (with some
> trimming done by me) to the list ;).
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf
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Hi Mike, 
I'm on Debian testing (Bookworm), which has version 3.46.1-1. The
version in Stable has some "finicky"behaviors. It honestly wouldn't be
a surprise if changing to Bookworm or testing resolves the issue. 
All you would need to do is in your /etc/apt/sources.list file change
everything that says "Stable" or "Bullseye" to "Bookworm' or "testing"
(as sudo or root) then use the update command (apt update or apt-get
update) to get the newest files. Then run apt-get dist-upgrade -f -m
and you should be on the newer version. 
As a footnote, If you change to "testing" then when Bookworm becomes
the next "stable" version you'll get what is now called "SID" or
"volatile". If you edit sources.list to have Bookworm it will stop at
the Bookworm version which will be the next "stable" release
(approximately April 2023 if the rumors are correct).   
I hope that helps. 
  
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[Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?

[Adam Hardy via evolution-list]

Probably a long shot since I couldn't find anything by searching the
net, but the gnome evolution plugins page hasn't been updated since
2010 so I figured I'd ask.

Does an evolution plugin exist that will tell me the word count in a
text selection in an email? 

Thanks
Adam
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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 13:51 +, Mike wrote:
> Sorry, I missread. I downloaded the the DVD Debian non-free install
> package from debian.org directly.

No you understood correctly, all the information I recommended to
provide, when sending a request to the list, is the version of
Evolution. I can't help you with this issue, but much likely somebody
else has got an idea. However, again, don't forget to reply to the list,
evolution-list@gnome.org .
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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

>  Forwarded Message 
> From:Mike
> To:  Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is
>  designed to go?
> Date:04/11/22 14:42:15
> 
> It is from the Debian maintainer as I install with: sudo apt-get
> install evolution
> 
> Unless a package can't be installed that way I always use the officlal
> maintainer version. This version is 3.38.3-1 
> 
> ══
> Ellis Michael "Mike" Lieberman [snip]
> 
> Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote:
> 
> [snip]

Hi,

please, next time reply to the list and add your reply below a trimmed
quote. I suspect it's ok to forward this off-list mail (with some
trimming done by me) to the list ;).

Regards,
Ralf
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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 14:37 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 13:23 +, Mike wrote:
> > -- The versions of Evolution on the VM and the new install are the same. 
> > -- Both are running on Debian 11.5.
> 
> and this version is? The Debian 11.5 version from official repos or from
> another source? I don't know, but maybe this information is useful.
> 
>   Help > About
> 
> or
> 
>   $ evolution --version

PS:

https://www.debian.org/News/2022/2022091002
IIUC 11.5 is "stable"

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/evolution
IIUC Evolution for "stable" is version 3.38.3

Is this correct?

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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 13:23 +, Mike wrote:
> -- The versions of Evolution on the VM and the new install are the same. 
> -- Both are running on Debian 11.5.

Hi,

and this version is? The Debian 11.5 version from official repos or from
another source? I don't know, but maybe this information is useful.

  Help > About

or

  $ evolution --version

Regards,
Ralf

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[Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Mike]

This is my first post here and it is a long one.
I did look at the index of previous posts but there is no way to search through 
all of them, so I truly do apologize in advance... but maybe, just maybe what I 
did has pushed out a bug you didn't know about before. This is complicated. I 
am sorry, but if you don't have all of the info, you will accuse me, 
potentially of hiding the relevant facts:
Until seven days ago, and for thirty years prior to that, I was a user of 
Microsoft Office Outlook. (That's the client on the desktop, not the online 
service.) I had thirty years of business and personal correspondence in it. A 
lot of it in many, many folders and nested folders.) It is what kept me on 
Windows on this last PC when everything else I had was running Debian Linux.
But then I saw that, maybe, I could actually import the PSTs into this release 
of Evolution. I had tried in the past and it had failed miserably. I tried anew 
and it worked on a test VM machine. It was all good and so I made the leap, 
reformatting the Windows 10 computer and put Debian 11.5 on it.
I exported the data set from the VM and imported it into the physical Debian 
platform the VM was now running on. The gz package was 3.2GiB.
I still have the VM and can run it, though I don't want to use it as a work 
platform.
On the new platform, with the data imported (and all the data is there) only a 
day after I imported it, it no longer displayed any new mail.
It says there is new mail via a notification popup, but there is nothing in the 
inbox or anywhere else.
-- The versions of Evolution on the VM and the new install are the same.
-- Both are running on Debian 11.5.
-- On the VM Evolution still works.
If I sent mail, it did get sent, but it also didn't appear in the sent folder 
or anywhere else.
Every once and a while I got a UID error message about a problem, but it wasn't 
all the time.
I used apt to remove the package. I deleted the folders, and then deleted the 
trash, rebooting the PC immediately after that.
I ran the VM version for another day, (and it works to this moment, if I want 
to use the VM) and then made a fresh export from the VM version, sFTPing it to 
the physical machine. But the same problem existed on the re-installed version.
I was on KDE Plasma, so I tried the same procedure all over again installing it 
under Gnome-X. No difference.
The only difference between the VM and this platform is that one has a cinnamon 
desktop.
I really wanted Evolution to work. It is now the repository for all I have done 
in these last thirty years, but unless there is a way to fix what ails this 
program, while it allowed me to make the move off Windows, it is now only a 
vault for old emails and that is not good.
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Purok 13, Morales Subd.
Brgy Mabuhay, General Santos City, 9500 Philippines
See MAP 
Cell: +63 (917) 311-0674 (Globe: Voice and Text)
Cell: +63 (991) 650-7948 (Dito: Voice and Text)
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Re: [Evolution] Weird menu bar above menu bar

[Pete Biggs]

Doesn't anyone read archives or past posts anymore. 


On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 10:07 +, Krauß, Peter (SCC) via evolution-
list wrote:
> Hello folks,
> 
> since my last system update I have a weird menu bar above the actual
> menu bar (actual menu bar is the one, that has the drop down menus
> "File", "Edit", "View" etc.; the weird menu bar is buttons for "Compose
> " and "Send & Receive" and has the window title in the middle).
> I attached a screenshot about it.
> 
> It's a bit annoying, it uses quite a lot of screen space and having
> those buttons in an extra row seems redundant. I wanted them back in
> the tool bar.
> 
> So, is there any way to get this back to how it was? Is it related to
> Evolution? Or maybe to gtk?
> 

To save you the bother of looking ...

From a few days ago:

 https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-November/msg1.html

or a bit further back:

 https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/msg00098.html

 https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-September/msg00023.html

It's called Client Side Decoration. Is part of Gnome going forward and
has been used on other apps for a long time.  It just seems to be more
distuptive/divisive on Evolution. Discussion here:

 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/issues/2039

and you can get the old interface back with:

   gsettings set org.gnome.evolution.shell use-header-bar false

and restart Evolution.

But get used to it, I suspect that setting won't work forever.

P.

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[Evolution] Weird menu bar above menu bar

[SCC]

Hello folks,

since my last system update I have a weird menu bar above the actual
menu bar (actual menu bar is the one, that has the drop down menus
"File", "Edit", "View" etc.; the weird menu bar is buttons for "Compose
" and "Send & Receive" and has the window title in the middle).
I attached a screenshot about it.

It's a bit annoying, it uses quite a lot of screen space and having
those buttons in an extra row seems redundant. I wanted them back in
the tool bar.

So, is there any way to get this back to how it was? Is it related to
Evolution? Or maybe to gtk?

Cheers,
Peter



--
In case it matters, I am running

- Evolution 3.46.1
- gtk4 4.8.2
- gtk3 3.24.34
- gtk2 2.24.33


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