Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list]

Dnia  5.11.2022 o godz. 02:34:55 Steve Litt pisze:
> 
> I have 20 years and probably more email messages than you spoke of. I
> don't think any email client on earth is built to hold that volume of
> email.

I have probably a more than 20 years mail archive. Mutt (running directly on
the server and accessing directly Maildirs on the server) handles it without
any problem.

Yes, I use Dovecot (and Evolution as IMAP client) as well, for emails that
are written in HTML only, have big image attachments etc. But I handle most
of my mail by ssh'ing to the server and running Mutt directly there. With
absolutely no issues.
-- 
Regards,
   Jaroslaw Rafa
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--
"In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there
was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub."
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?

[Pete Biggs]

On Sat, 2022-11-05 at 13:04 +, Adam Hardy via evolution-list wrote:
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Pete Biggs 
> > To: evolution-list@gnome.org
> > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?
> > Date: 05/11/22 02:05:13
> > 
> > On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 23:51 +, Mike wrote:
> > >  
> > > I will but I really think this is a matter of evolution messing
> > > up on
> > > the import of a very large backup file from another computer. 
> > > 
> > > It's a guess, but one informed by forty-five years in IT and five
> > > years retired and still dealing with IT.  The original VM
> > > evolution
> > > imported the PSTs, not an evolution backup. 
> > 
> > I think your quoting and replying is a bit screwed up ...
> 
> I second that. I guess I have a right to being disappointed after
> seeing so many answers to my original question

Quite.  But to make you slightly less disappointed - I don't think
there is a direct method of doing what you want, but as a one-off I
would probably highlight,then cut or right-click the text into an
editor. All bets are off if it's an HTML formatted bit of text.

P.
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Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Sat, 2022-11-05 at 14:26 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> 1.
> https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/
> https://osuosl.org/request-hosting/

The mc mailing list already migrated from gnome.org to OSU OSL.
Yury V. Zaytsev yury at shurup.com seems to be the one responsible for
doing it. Consider to ask Yury V. Zaytsev.

https://lists.midnight-commander.org/pipermail/mc/2022-October/005510.html
https://lists.midnight-commander.org/mailman/listinfo/mc
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Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Sat, 2022-11-05 at 13:10 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> If anyone has more insight, please let me know.

No, I don't have more inside, let alone that I dislike freedesktop.org,
but there are still other option:

1.
https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/
https://osuosl.org/request-hosting/

2.
https://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/html_node/Creating-Mailing-Lists.html
new-mailing-l...@gnu.org

3.
https://support.riseup.net/en/ticket/3227QJ76OfCW7Ci7
https://riseup.net/en/lists/list-admin/configuration/creating-lists

Regards,
Ralf
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Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2022-11-03 at 12:53 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2022-11-03 at 08:03 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list
> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:20 -0400, Jim Popovitch via evolution-list
> > wrote:
> > > I offered, and still do offer, to host mail.gnome.org.
> > 
> > Hi,
> > thanks for the offer, and even I do not speak for the GNOME admins,
> > do
> > not count with it, they are not going to do/allow it.
> > 
> > What about co-moderating the new evo list, wherever it will be?
> > 
> > Speaking of which, as other mailing list(s) are moving to the
> > freedesktop.org (the network manager list had been mentioned here),
> > I
> > think, and believe, it would be a perfect fit for the evo list as
> > well.
> 
> I tend to agree. Although munging the DNS record would be the most
> painless solution, I really doubt that Gnome would allow it as they
> would be in effect handing over responsibility for part of their own
> domain, at least in terms of perception.
> 
> If we can get a Gnome admin to provide a membership list in a format
> suitable for upload to Mailman3, I think this is a promising
> direction
> to go in.

I mailed the freedesktop people a couple of days ago:

https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/sitewranglers/2022-November/013286.html

but have had no reply.

Possibly that isn't the right mailing address, but it was the only one
I could see that seemed relevant. If anyone has more insight, please
let me know.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Why are my messages being tagged as spam and being moderated? on this list??

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2022-11-05 at 02:15 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> 
> Camels and straws come to mind ...

Just noticed this and cleared the block.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2022-11-05 at 02:12 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> 
> Not that it really matters now, but top-posting & HTML mail is
> frowned
> on here ...
> 
> And your quoting levels are screwed up ...
> 
> And you really should trim posts to just relevant stuff.  You aren't
> inhabiting an Outlook only world these days ...
> 
> On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 23:46 +, Mike wrote:
> > > Yes the VM is, and was, off.
> > > 
> > > And anyway, both are set to leave mail on the server for six days
> > > during this rollout of the new platform. So it should not make a
> > > difference. :-) I have a mail app running on my Adroid Cell phone
> > > and it loaded mail right along with MS Outlook for many years
> > > without an issue. So I fail to see how that would or should
> > > matter.
> 
> Because sometimes another application grabs an email and marks it as
> read before your Evolution can see it. 
> 
> Anyway, in another email that seems to have been tagged as spam and
> is
> awaiting moderation I said that you need to look at the bar above the
> message list and make sure the "Show:" drop down says "All Messages"
> and not something like "Read Messages".
> 
> But I see yet another of my messages has been tagged as spam for no
> good reason.  You might, eventually, see this message ...

Pete, I've no idea why some of your posts were held for moderation.
I've approved them and they should have appeared by now.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?

[Adam Hardy via evolution-list]

> -Original Message-
> From: Pete Biggs 
> To: evolution-list@gnome.org
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?
> Date: 05/11/22 02:05:13
> 
> On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 23:51 +, Mike wrote:
> >  
> > I will but I really think this is a matter of evolution messing up
> > on
> > the import of a very large backup file from another computer. 
> > 
> > It's a guess, but one informed by forty-five years in IT and five
> > years retired and still dealing with IT.  The original VM evolution
> > imported the PSTs, not an evolution backup. 
> 
> I think your quoting and replying is a bit screwed up ...

I second that. I guess I have a right to being disappointed after
seeing so many answers to my original question
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[Evolution] Why are my messages being tagged as spam and being moderated? on this list??

[Pete Biggs]

Camels and straws come to mind ...


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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Pete Biggs]

Not that it really matters now, but top-posting & HTML mail is frowned
on here ...

And your quoting levels are screwed up ...

And you really should trim posts to just relevant stuff.  You aren't
inhabiting an Outlook only world these days ...

On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 23:46 +, Mike wrote:
> > Yes the VM is, and was, off.
> > 
> > And anyway, both are set to leave mail on the server for six days
> > during this rollout of the new platform. So it should not make a
> > difference. :-) I have a mail app running on my Adroid Cell phone
> > and it loaded mail right along with MS Outlook for many years
> > without an issue. So I fail to see how that would or should matter.

Because sometimes another application grabs an email and marks it as
read before your Evolution can see it. 

Anyway, in another email that seems to have been tagged as spam and is
awaiting moderation I said that you need to look at the bar above the
message list and make sure the "Show:" drop down says "All Messages"
and not something like "Read Messages".

But I see yet another of my messages has been tagged as spam for no
good reason.  You might, eventually, see this message ...

P.



> 

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?

[Pete Biggs]

On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 23:51 +, Mike wrote:
>  
> I will but I really think this is a matter of evolution messing up on
> the import of a very large backup file from another computer. 
> 
> It's a guess, but one informed by forty-five years in IT and five
> years retired and still dealing with IT.  The original VM evolution
> imported the PSTs, not an evolution backup. 

I think your quoting and replying is a bit screwed up ...




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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Pete Biggs]

On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 13:23 +, Mike wrote:
> This is my first post here and it is a long one.
> 
> I did look at the index of previous posts but there is no way to
> search through all of them, so I truly do apologize in advance... 

Go to 

 https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/

and there's a search box at the top.

> 
> 
> On the new platform, with the data imported (and all the data is
> there) only a day after I imported it, it no longer displayed any new
> mail.
> 
> It says there is new mail via a notification popup, but there is
> nothing in the inbox or anywhere else.

Help -> Contents -> Common Mail Questions 
 -> I cannot see some emails

Primarily check that you don't have any search terms imposed and that
the Show: next to the search box is set to "All Messages".


P.

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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Mike]

I see the All messages and it is the selected option. So that is not the issue.
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Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote:
On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 13:23 +, Mike wrote:
I exported the data set from the VM and imported it into the physical
Debian platform the VM was now running on. The gz package was 3.2GiB.
Hi,
ok, I missed the information "gz package". Perhaps you need to move the
data by just coping folders. But for the moment let's forget about this
and check something else.
It says there is new mail via a notification popup, but there is
nothing in the inbox or anywhere else.
Select the Inbox folder. On top, beside the search bar, there's a
"Show:" box. If it doesn't show "All Messages" or "Unread Messages",
then select either one or the other. Perhaps you accidentally moved the
scroll wheel, while the mouse cursor hovered over this box and you might
have selected "Read Messages" or something else.
After you corrected this for the Inbox, check other folders, too.
Regards,
Ralf
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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Sat, 2022-11-05 at 08:07 +, Mike wrote:
> The VM is on the same hardware as the new desktop.

Ok, we can tolerate top posting, HTML and untrimmed posts, even while
you were asked to at least not top post and to trim quotes.

At least I can't tolerate that you copied the content of an email into
another thread.

Please, reply to your thread, don't hijack another completely unrelated
thread.
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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Steve Litt]

Mike said on Sat, 05 Nov 2022 07:11:27 +

>Steve is it 27 years and my mail server (mail.netwright.net) sits a
>meter from my left leg. 

[snip]

>That server by my left leg is doing quite a bit, BIND, apache2 web, 
>Intermapper network monitoring as well as the mail server software.

By mail server software do you mean SMTP, or IMAP, or something else?

>[It is running as a Debian VM on Core i3 processor. :-) Did I mention
>that I am retired and no longer have big iron?] So it isn't a good
>depository for my mail. 

The htop program tells me my Dovecot is using 0% CPU, 0% memory, so I
doubt it would tax your i3. At worst you might need to buy a big 7200
RPM spinning rust disk to add to your existing disks.


>If you and other are say evolution can't do it, (even though it runs
>like a champ on a VM I created on my desktop) then I will leave it as
>a repository for my other mail and move on. However, it has been my
>experience that there is a potential bias from those who do things
>differently to say, 'it can't do that' when they really don't know.

I think my words were "I don't think any email client on earth is built
to hold that volume of email." I didn't say it was impossible: I was
saying it's an off-label use and probably has side effects. And also
that it locks you to a single email client.

If you think you can use Evolution to store 27 years of email, go for
it. I was just trying to be helpful by describing the setup I've enjoyed
for ten years, on three different distros. 

>Clearly it is doing fine on the VM.

Then it should be pretty easy to exploit the differences between the
metal version and the VM version to figure out the root cause of the
metal version's problem.

SteveT

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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 13:23 +, Mike wrote:
> I exported the data set from the VM and imported it into the physical
> Debian platform the VM was now running on. The gz package was 3.2GiB.

Hi,

ok, I missed the information "gz package". Perhaps you need to move the
data by just coping folders. But for the moment let's forget about this
and check something else.

> It says there is new mail via a notification popup, but there is
> nothing in the inbox or anywhere else.

Select the Inbox folder. On top, beside the search bar, there's a
"Show:" box. If it doesn't show "All Messages" or "Unread Messages",
then select either one or the other. Perhaps you accidentally moved the
scroll wheel, while the mouse cursor hovered over this box and you might
have selected "Read Messages" or something else.

After you corrected this for the Inbox, check other folders, too.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?

[Mike]

The VM is on the same hardware as the new desktop.
I open up an sFTP in terminal and send it that way.
Here it is on the VM:
mike@jake:~/Downloads$ ls -l e*.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 mike mike 3415506569 Nov 3 15:17 evolution-backup-20221103.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 mike mike 3412545815 Nov 4 09:18 evolution-backup-20221104.tar.gz
mike@jake:~/Downloads$
Here it is on the platform:
-rw-r--r-- 1 mike mike 3415506569 Nov 4 09:11 
/home/mike/evolution-backup-20221103.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 mike mike 3412545815 Nov 4 09:19 
/home/mike/evolution-backup-20221104.tar.gz
mike@blackbox:/media/mike/My Book/work$
All I do is from "jake" to 'blackbox":
$ sftp mike@192.168.1.93
══
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Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote:
On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 23:51 +, Mike wrote:
I will but I really think this is a matter of evolution messing up on
the import of a very large backup file from another computer.
Hi,
perhaps we are getting closer to the issue. How did you move the data
from the VM to the install on bare metal?
There are plans to hide the option "Backup up Evolution Data..." in
coming versions of Evolution.
Regards,
Ralf
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution plug-in for word count?

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Fri, 2022-11-04 at 23:51 +, Mike wrote:
> I will but I really think this is a matter of evolution messing up on
> the import of a very large backup file from another computer.

Hi,

perhaps we are getting closer to the issue. How did you move the data
from the VM to the install on bare metal?

There are plans to hide the option "Backup up Evolution Data..." in
coming versions of Evolution.

Regards,
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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Sat, 2022-11-05 at 02:34 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> I have 20 years and probably more email messages than you spoke of. I
> don't think any email client on earth is built to hold that volume of
> email.

Hi,

Evolution can handle >1 decade with lots of POP accounts, archiving lots
of heavy traffic mailing lists and countless private mails. There isn't
a trace to assume that it might change.

Later I started using Claws parallel to Evolution and a while back I
discontinued using Claws. I don't know if the amount of emails is
related to the issues I experienced with Claws.

If it should be different when using Evolution with IMAP, then it would
be another reason to be in favour of POP.

Regards,
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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Mike]

Steve is it 27 years and my mail server (mail.netwright.net) sits a meter
from my left leg.
I don't use a third party for email. Never have since 1994, when I set up
my first mail server on a unit running Slackware Unix. [Believe it or not,
rather than running Sendmail, I was using server software from a company --
long gone -- which was called alibaba.com (funny how the name popped up
again in the oddest of ways).] And then to mail server software called
Merak on a WIndows box before switching Debian 4 or 5 and Surgemail which I
am still running.
That server by my left leg is doing quite a bit, BIND, apache2 web,
Intermapper network monitoring as well as the mail server software. [It is
running as a Debian VM on Core i3 processor. :-) Did I mention that I am
retired and no longer have big iron?] So it isn't a good depository for my
mail.
If you and other are say evolution can't do it, (even though it runs like a
champ on a VM I created on my desktop) then I will leave it as a repository
for my other mail and move on. However, it has been my experience that
there is a potential bias from those who do things differently to say, 'it
can't do that' when they really don't know. Clearly it is doing fine on the
VM. It was the export to the true desktop and the import on that new
desktop that seems to have created the problem.
[Yours were the same complaints I head about Outlook and the size of the
mail. So I broke the PST's up and never had a problem, over five separate
PC's as the PST's were exportable and backups are great things. so long as
there is code that can import the backup.]
The only reason I chose evolution was because it could import the PST files
(multiple ones) I kept mail in in Outlook. In Outlook, my current mail was
not in the same data file as the archive mail.
Steve Litt wrote:
Mike said on Fri, 04 Nov 2022 13:23:37 +
[snip apologies.
Until seven days ago, and for thirty years prior to
that, I was a user of Microsoft Office Outlook. (That's the client on
the desktop, not the online service.) I had thirty years of business
and personal correspondence in it. A lot of it in many, many folders
and nested folders.) It is what kept me on Windows on this last PC
when everything else I had was running Debian Linux.
[snip explanation of no new emails]
I have 20 years and probably more email messages than you spoke of. I
don't think any email client on earth is built to hold that volume of
email.
But the Dovecot IMAP server is, and handles it with ease and grace. My
email client is simply a window into my IMAP server (plus of course a
way to compose and send). It's been working this way, without a hitch,
since 2012.
An added bonus of using Dovecot is my email archives are no longer tied
to a specific email client. When I got angry at Claws-Mail a few months
ago, I quickly and easily switched to Evolution, with no data transfer
or conversion. When it looked like the mailing list I rely on would
vanish, I went back to Claws-Mail, no hassle. If and when the mailing
list gets resolved, I'll switch back to Evolution, no hassle.
An email client might be a good place to store four figures of emails,
but beyond that, in my opinion, a local Dovecot server is the way to go.
SteveT
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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Steve Litt]

Mike said on Fri, 04 Nov 2022 13:23:37 +

[snip apologies.

>Until seven days ago, and for thirty years prior to
>that, I was a user of Microsoft Office Outlook. (That's the client on
>the desktop, not the online service.) I had thirty years of business
>and personal correspondence in it. A lot of it in many, many folders
>and nested folders.) It is what kept me on Windows on this last PC
>when everything else I had was running Debian Linux. 

[snip explanation of no new emails]

I have 20 years and probably more email messages than you spoke of. I
don't think any email client on earth is built to hold that volume of
email.

But the Dovecot IMAP server is, and handles it with ease and grace. My
email client is simply a window into my IMAP server (plus of course a
way to compose and send). It's been working this way, without a hitch,
since 2012.

An added bonus of using Dovecot is my email archives are no longer tied
to a specific email client. When I got angry at Claws-Mail a few months
ago, I quickly and easily switched to Evolution, with no data transfer
or conversion. When it looked like the mailing list I rely on would
vanish, I went back to Claws-Mail, no hassle. If and when the mailing
list gets resolved, I'll switch back to Evolution, no hassle.

An email client might be a good place to store four figures of emails,
but beyond that, in my opinion, a local Dovecot server is the way to go.

SteveT

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