RE: E2k vs E5.5 Your thoughts.....
Thanks - I was looking for some opinions from other than the complany selling the product. Brian -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: E2k vs E5.5 Your thoughts. Microsoft has plenty of pages that will tell you this. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Dugas Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 8:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: E2k vs E5.5 Your thoughts. Ok, now I have read both sides of the story... What are some of your thoughts on upgradind to E2K? Would it be worth my time and effort? We have approx 40 users, all servers(7) are W2K, except our exchange server(5.5 sp4, NT4 sp6a), our PDC, and a our BDC. What will I gain, if anything? Thanks in advance. Brian -Original Message- From: Anthony L. Sollars [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Thanks for giving us your take on this, it is always good to hear both sides of the coin. I agree the value is not high, but easier administration was my push this. The OWA issue, being slow and such, I agree and I still am getting complaints. Told management that is how it is, and they refuse to accept it. -tony -Original Message- From: MS Exchange List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 4:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Actually if we had to do it over again I'd keep us at E5.5, and I'd fight to stay there until my retirement! Why? Hello, I found E5.5 to be very stable, and my little stash of Excel files and formulas made for administration with Import/Export quick and Easy. From cc:Mail in the late 80's, 90's ... through various versions of Exchange ... E5.5 gave my users the best of functionality, stability, and me the least problems. I suppose if you're a huge multi-national corp with a large decentralized IT structure, Win2K, and E2K provides some management structure that would be nice. But, if it's just you and a few others running the show with a centralized structure ... and only a couple thousand users, what's gained? After taking all that time, risk, cost ... what changes are your users going to see when they come in after the Domain and E2K upgrade? Not a thing, at least if things went well. OWA in E2K is an improvement to some, but it's much much slower over Dial-up.Issues too for some users behind firewalls and E2K OWA that will require them to access it through SSL, and that slows up things even more for them. Huge loss of functionality for users in this boat. These upgrades keep us employed, appreciative of that at times, but I don't believe the value-added is there for small shops. Brent -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, August 02, 2002 3:56 PM Posted To: MS Exchange List Conversation: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Actually if we had to do it over again I'd keep us at E5.5, and I'd fight to stay there until my retirement! Why? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of MS Exchange List Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Hello, I did in-place upgrades from Exchange Betas to E2K over the last 5+ years. They all worked fine except for 5.5 to E2K. I spent 3+ months labbing the in-place upgrade and got things seemingly to work just fine. (I went Native in Win2K before doing any Exchange upgrade). The upgrade went without a hitch seemingly, but we were left with strange permission problems for various things. Worked with PSS for months and months afterwards, and they were at a loss. If I had to do it over again, I'd setup a completely brand new Win2K Forest, and then a brand new E2K server in there. There are tools out there for Exchange migrations across Organizations, etc... (Actually if we had to do it over again I'd keep us at E5.5, and I'd fight to stay there until my retirement!) Former in-place upgrade fan, Brent -Original Message- From: Tom.Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:41 AM Posted To: MS Exchange List Conversation: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Subject: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story This is just an informational post, you're welcome to comment on it but I'm not really asking any questions. Just thought folks out there getting ready to upgrade might want to hear the story. I just spent the night
RE: E2k vs E5.5 Your thoughts.....
Okay, I'll answer. But bear in mind that most of us are selling the product in one way or another. Would it be worth your time and effort? Got to http://www.microsoft.com/exchange, read over the features, and decide whether they're worth the money and effort you'll be spending. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Dugas Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 8:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: E2k vs E5.5 Your thoughts. Thanks - I was looking for some opinions from other than the complany selling the product. Brian -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: E2k vs E5.5 Your thoughts. Microsoft has plenty of pages that will tell you this. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Dugas Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 8:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: E2k vs E5.5 Your thoughts. Ok, now I have read both sides of the story... What are some of your thoughts on upgradind to E2K? Would it be worth my time and effort? We have approx 40 users, all servers(7) are W2K, except our exchange server(5.5 sp4, NT4 sp6a), our PDC, and a our BDC. What will I gain, if anything? Thanks in advance. Brian -Original Message- From: Anthony L. Sollars [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Thanks for giving us your take on this, it is always good to hear both sides of the coin. I agree the value is not high, but easier administration was my push this. The OWA issue, being slow and such, I agree and I still am getting complaints. Told management that is how it is, and they refuse to accept it. -tony -Original Message- From: MS Exchange List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 4:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Actually if we had to do it over again I'd keep us at E5.5, and I'd fight to stay there until my retirement! Why? Hello, I found E5.5 to be very stable, and my little stash of Excel files and formulas made for administration with Import/Export quick and Easy. From cc:Mail in the late 80's, 90's ... through various versions of Exchange ... E5.5 gave my users the best of functionality, stability, and me the least problems. I suppose if you're a huge multi-national corp with a large decentralized IT structure, Win2K, and E2K provides some management structure that would be nice. But, if it's just you and a few others running the show with a centralized structure ... and only a couple thousand users, what's gained? After taking all that time, risk, cost ... what changes are your users going to see when they come in after the Domain and E2K upgrade? Not a thing, at least if things went well. OWA in E2K is an improvement to some, but it's much much slower over Dial-up.Issues too for some users behind firewalls and E2K OWA that will require them to access it through SSL, and that slows up things even more for them. Huge loss of functionality for users in this boat. These upgrades keep us employed, appreciative of that at times, but I don't believe the value-added is there for small shops. Brent -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, August 02, 2002 3:56 PM Posted To: MS Exchange List Conversation: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Actually if we had to do it over again I'd keep us at E5.5, and I'd fight to stay there until my retirement! Why? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of MS Exchange List Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Hello, I did in-place upgrades from Exchange Betas to E2K over the last 5+ years. They all worked fine except for 5.5 to E2K. I spent 3+ months labbing the in-place upgrade and got things seemingly to work just fine. (I went Native in Win2K before doing any Exchange upgrade). The upgrade went without a hitch seemingly, but we were left with strange permission problems for various things. Worked with PSS for months and months afterwards, and they were at a loss. If I had to do it over again, I'd setup a completely brand new Win2K Forest, and then a brand new E2K server in there. There are tools out there for Exchange migrations across Organizations, etc... (Actually
E2k vs E5.5 Your thoughts.....
Ok, now I have read both sides of the story... What are some of your thoughts on upgradind to E2K? Would it be worth my time and effort? We have approx 40 users, all servers(7) are W2K, except our exchange server(5.5 sp4, NT4 sp6a), our PDC, and a our BDC. What will I gain, if anything? Thanks in advance. Brian -Original Message- From: Anthony L. Sollars [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Thanks for giving us your take on this, it is always good to hear both sides of the coin. I agree the value is not high, but easier administration was my push this. The OWA issue, being slow and such, I agree and I still am getting complaints. Told management that is how it is, and they refuse to accept it. -tony -Original Message- From: MS Exchange List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 4:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Actually if we had to do it over again I'd keep us at E5.5, and I'd fight to stay there until my retirement! Why? Hello, I found E5.5 to be very stable, and my little stash of Excel files and formulas made for administration with Import/Export quick and Easy. From cc:Mail in the late 80's, 90's ... through various versions of Exchange ... E5.5 gave my users the best of functionality, stability, and me the least problems. I suppose if you're a huge multi-national corp with a large decentralized IT structure, Win2K, and E2K provides some management structure that would be nice. But, if it's just you and a few others running the show with a centralized structure ... and only a couple thousand users, what's gained? After taking all that time, risk, cost ... what changes are your users going to see when they come in after the Domain and E2K upgrade? Not a thing, at least if things went well. OWA in E2K is an improvement to some, but it's much much slower over Dial-up.Issues too for some users behind firewalls and E2K OWA that will require them to access it through SSL, and that slows up things even more for them. Huge loss of functionality for users in this boat. These upgrades keep us employed, appreciative of that at times, but I don't believe the value-added is there for small shops. Brent -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, August 02, 2002 3:56 PM Posted To: MS Exchange List Conversation: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Actually if we had to do it over again I'd keep us at E5.5, and I'd fight to stay there until my retirement! Why? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of MS Exchange List Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Hello, I did in-place upgrades from Exchange Betas to E2K over the last 5+ years. They all worked fine except for 5.5 to E2K. I spent 3+ months labbing the in-place upgrade and got things seemingly to work just fine. (I went Native in Win2K before doing any Exchange upgrade). The upgrade went without a hitch seemingly, but we were left with strange permission problems for various things. Worked with PSS for months and months afterwards, and they were at a loss. If I had to do it over again, I'd setup a completely brand new Win2K Forest, and then a brand new E2K server in there. There are tools out there for Exchange migrations across Organizations, etc... (Actually if we had to do it over again I'd keep us at E5.5, and I'd fight to stay there until my retirement!) Former in-place upgrade fan, Brent -Original Message- From: Tom.Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:41 AM Posted To: MS Exchange List Conversation: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Subject: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story This is just an informational post, you're welcome to comment on it but I'm not really asking any questions. Just thought folks out there getting ready to upgrade might want to hear the story. I just spent the night upgrading (or trying to upgrade) my exchange 5.5 server. We have a very simple network. 1 domain. 200 users. 1 exchange server. 2 domain controllers (not the exchange server). Started about 2 weeks ago prepping for upgrade. Armed with: White Paper in-place upgrade from msoft exchange 5.5 to msoft exchange 2000 Q316886 How To: Migrate from exchange server 5.5 to exchange 2000 server Q282309 upgrading exchange server 5.5 service pack 4 to exchange 2000 server Q295922 considerations when you upgrade to exchange 2000 server Q296260 how to configure a two-way recipient connection agreement for exchange server 5.5 users Q253829 description of the active directory connector deletion
RE: E2k vs E5.5 Your thoughts.....
Microsoft has plenty of pages that will tell you this. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Dugas Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 8:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: E2k vs E5.5 Your thoughts. Ok, now I have read both sides of the story... What are some of your thoughts on upgradind to E2K? Would it be worth my time and effort? We have approx 40 users, all servers(7) are W2K, except our exchange server(5.5 sp4, NT4 sp6a), our PDC, and a our BDC. What will I gain, if anything? Thanks in advance. Brian -Original Message- From: Anthony L. Sollars [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Thanks for giving us your take on this, it is always good to hear both sides of the coin. I agree the value is not high, but easier administration was my push this. The OWA issue, being slow and such, I agree and I still am getting complaints. Told management that is how it is, and they refuse to accept it. -tony -Original Message- From: MS Exchange List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 4:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Actually if we had to do it over again I'd keep us at E5.5, and I'd fight to stay there until my retirement! Why? Hello, I found E5.5 to be very stable, and my little stash of Excel files and formulas made for administration with Import/Export quick and Easy. From cc:Mail in the late 80's, 90's ... through various versions of Exchange ... E5.5 gave my users the best of functionality, stability, and me the least problems. I suppose if you're a huge multi-national corp with a large decentralized IT structure, Win2K, and E2K provides some management structure that would be nice. But, if it's just you and a few others running the show with a centralized structure ... and only a couple thousand users, what's gained? After taking all that time, risk, cost ... what changes are your users going to see when they come in after the Domain and E2K upgrade? Not a thing, at least if things went well. OWA in E2K is an improvement to some, but it's much much slower over Dial-up.Issues too for some users behind firewalls and E2K OWA that will require them to access it through SSL, and that slows up things even more for them. Huge loss of functionality for users in this boat. These upgrades keep us employed, appreciative of that at times, but I don't believe the value-added is there for small shops. Brent -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, August 02, 2002 3:56 PM Posted To: MS Exchange List Conversation: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Actually if we had to do it over again I'd keep us at E5.5, and I'd fight to stay there until my retirement! Why? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of MS Exchange List Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Hello, I did in-place upgrades from Exchange Betas to E2K over the last 5+ years. They all worked fine except for 5.5 to E2K. I spent 3+ months labbing the in-place upgrade and got things seemingly to work just fine. (I went Native in Win2K before doing any Exchange upgrade). The upgrade went without a hitch seemingly, but we were left with strange permission problems for various things. Worked with PSS for months and months afterwards, and they were at a loss. If I had to do it over again, I'd setup a completely brand new Win2K Forest, and then a brand new E2K server in there. There are tools out there for Exchange migrations across Organizations, etc... (Actually if we had to do it over again I'd keep us at E5.5, and I'd fight to stay there until my retirement!) Former in-place upgrade fan, Brent -Original Message- From: Tom.Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:41 AM Posted To: MS Exchange List Conversation: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story Subject: Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Upgrade horror story This is just an informational post, you're welcome to comment on it but I'm not really asking any questions. Just thought folks out there getting ready to upgrade might want to hear the story. I just spent the night upgrading (or trying to upgrade) my exchange 5.5 server. We have a very simple network. 1 domain. 200 users. 1 exchange server. 2 domain controllers (not the exchange server). Started about 2 weeks ago prepping for upgrade. Armed with: White Paper in-place upgrade from msoft exchange 5.5 to msoft exchange 2000 Q316886 How
